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A request to amateur composers who visit this page

Topic started by Vijay (@ 212.137.205.127) on Thu Nov 16 16:58:22 EST 2000.
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I'd like to request amateur composers who visit this page to tell me if they've uploaded any of their work onto the internet and if they have, please tell me where I can listen to it. Thank You.

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Some composers to check out (in no particular order): Jay, Srikanth, Ganesh, Eswar, Sridhar Seetharaman, Kumar, Rjay. Vishwesh Obla

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• From: Da Vinci (@ 128.113.109.23) on: Tue Mar 2 07:50:18 EST 2004
  
  Sam,
  
  Very rich sounding music. Your sense of harmony is wonderful. I cant believe you got all those sounds from a PSR 550. I too have a PSR 540 and I have to struggle with it :(
  
  I was about to ask if the guitar sounds were from the keyboard too before I saw your posting. Deft handling of the guitar too. Your handling of the 'sweet flute' was a treat to listen to.
  
  Very Creative, Pal.
  
  
• From: Da Vinci (@ 128.113.109.23) on: Tue Mar 2 07:53:05 EST 2004
  
  If I am not asking for too much, would you let us know the process through which you create your works using your PSR 550 ? That would be a great help for small-timers likers me who have small-time aspirations too, with many limitations though.
  
  
• From: Subbiah (@ 203.92.84.189) on: Tue Mar 2 08:47:08 EST 2004
  
  Friends,
  Sorry I forgot to give the full link.
  http://www.ic-musicmedia.com/Subbiah
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.134.64) on: Tue Mar 2 10:56:09 EST 2004
  
  Eswar:
  
  I listened to your song. Some obsvns and opinions:
  
  (1) The tune is really beautiful.
  
  (2) The beat is catchy (my friend sitting next to me was distracted and said "very nice beat man") but it's omnipresence leads to monotony. Did you not want to change the beat even in the interludes ?
  
  (3) Vocals need to get better. Somehow I find this tune very suitable for Hariharan like voice. I could simply imagine HH singing this easily in my mind. The phrase "undhan solle" is just too HH-ish. I could imagine the wonderful ways of improvisation that can go with it. It gave me a feel similar to vaNNanilave vaNNanilave.
  
  (4) nice pads. You have kept it simple. But, in any song if the orchestration is simple, the listener unconsciously puts more emphasis on the vocals. Hence, it becomes imminent to make vocals very attractive when the orchestration is simple. I still remember your beautiful song "thanga noopurangaL chaarthiya".
  
  Keep up the good work and experiment more with KB and drum styles.
  
  
• From: Eswar (@ 202.54.154.163) on: Wed Mar 3 00:26:45 EST 2004
  
  MS,
  
  Thanks for taking time out. Well, the vocals don't sound good because I am that padu paavi who sang the song :)) I am not getting good male vocalists to jam with me - and I have to put everything into it from my own part.
  
  Re: KB. I don't play keyboards, just put in some stuff on FLStudio (computers) using Rolands soundfonts. But Yes, you are right can have a variation in the strings, will try to put it in.
  
  Re: The drum line. I think I can work on it.
  
  Thank you very much MS. I will try harder next time.
  
  Thanks,
  Eswar
  
  
• From: senthilv.com (@ 69.148.85.50) on: Wed Mar 3 02:23:01 EST 2004
  
  Anand:
  
  I have no training in music but I can tell that film music is in art by itself--especially, the film soundtracks. Not every musicians can successfully score film background score, its a beast on its own.
  
  
• From: Anand (@ 132.183.136.57) on: Fri Mar 5 13:27:42 EST 2004
  
  Senthil,
  
  hmmm , film scores? sure they are an art by themselves. It is also a directors artistic talent that makes him choose a particular score for his movie.
  some cliched examples :
  "2001 space odessey" by Kubrick- uses Strauss' music, one of the most fantastic background score choices for any movie I have seen.
  
  "Apolcalypse now" by Coppola - Wagners orchestral work (cant remember the name) ... the scene where the helicopters are approaching the island in Vietnam for bombardment...indescribably powerful.
  
  Illayaraja ... numerous examples but I am not an avid tfm fan. Wish Illayaraja composed for likes of Coppola or Satyajit Ray.
  
  Now, how do you distinguish between film music and music written without any "application" in mind? say, Beethovens Violin concerto or Thyagarajas krithis? I cant, unless you have listened to all and appreciated each for what they are.
  
  The more you listen, the more you understand music, which is endless (I guarantee you!). If person A has listened to 100 different genres and appreciates (truly, not in an intellectual way) all of them, he cannot possibly have a fair discussion with person B who has only listened to a small subset of genres. Of course, if B realizes that he hasnt listened as much as A, he might learn something if he wishes to. Usually B is very protective and thinks he is no less than A....well it all doesnt matter in the end.
  
  
  cheers
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Srik (@ 64.80.98.165) on: Fri Mar 5 14:06:34 EST 2004
  
  
  How do you distinguish between film music and music written without any "application" in mind?
  Beethovens Violin concerto or Thyagarajas krithis?
  
  Thyagaraja Krithis, Bach or Mozart scores, All of them had applications, in general there were used for devotion towards god. eg:for Thyagaraja music was for "pure" devotion on Rama. So is Mozarts and others.
  
  bottom line fo their application was “Enhancement of ones spirituality or religion using music".
  
  Film music is also an application where the director[s] try to enhance visuals with help of another medium.both music are kind of similar with different applications.
  
  Imo,
  A simple rule of background music. "ears tries to balance the eyes" each should not superseed other. The only difference is , the first one [Bach, Thayagararaja swamigal version ] did not expect anything in return [as far as I know]
  while the next won [film music] is aimed at something in return, it is for a commercial purpose.
  
  
• From: Da Vinci (@ 128.113.109.23) on: Fri Mar 5 14:45:44 EST 2004
  
  I don’t think if expecting a ‘return’ or not would determine if a piece of music is ‘art’ music, or ‘popular’ music. For that matter, artists like Shakespheare always had in their mind the theater and the possible ‘returns’ associated with their plays. Their works were never the less ‘artistic’ for that reason.
  
  I think that it depends on the level of the artist’s application of mind that is trained by the whole stream of his art-form, rather than its specific response to a particular time. Anand made a nice and subtle point of it earlier by relating it to the listeners’ taste. Who determines this taste ? It is the trend of the time that determines it. (Just as one is conditioned for a specific type of attire by a few producers world wide today, who have vested interests in what they promote). A popular musician, as I can see, is one who understands this specific trend and caters to it alone. He is limited by it. But an artist, is one who can see through such time-factors through a disciplined study of his art-form.
  He is one who is certainly not confined by the specific taste of his time, and hence need not necessarily be popular.
  
  
• From: Srik (@ 64.80.98.165) on: Fri Mar 5 14:58:21 EST 2004
  
  
  I don’t think if expecting a ‘return’ or not would determine if a piece of music is ‘art’ music, or ‘popular’ music
  
  --
  just to clarify, i never told art or pop music etc....
  
  i just mentioned on "music application"
  Bach or Thayagaraja or Ilayaraja all had purpose and application for what they composed.
  
  
• From: Anand (@ 132.183.136.57) on: Fri Mar 5 15:16:56 EST 2004
  
  
  Of course, every form of music has an ultimate 'application', namely pleasing and fulfilling our aesthetic life.
  
  Actually by 'application' I wasnt necessarily meaning this way or a commercial type. I was more referring to a distinction made at some point in music history, between "program music", i.e., music written for a specific purpose, like a Requiem, opera, (or a movie in todays context), and "absolute music", which was written with no particular theme or concept in mind. Of course it is debatable if a composer can ever write without having a specific theme. I think it is quite possible to do so, since the orchestral colors and the musical form by themselves can by a great source of inspiration.
  
  Now what about the Carnatic trinitis, or even Beethoven, who drew inspiration from the "Divine"?
  
  as I think more on this point, I have to agree with Srikanth and I do see its a hazy distinction beween so called program and absolute music.
  
  In the end, the quality and intensty of the art should not depend on what the purpose is!
  
  cheers
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Anand (@ 132.183.136.57) on: Fri Mar 5 15:21:42 EST 2004
  
  
  also to embellish what DaVinci said ...
  
  there are those kinds of artists who would dare not to follow the public opinion or just the contemporary listener's taste. and if they are endowed with great talent and perspire, they usually begin a new Genre!
  
  examples of thes abound
  
  
• From: Srik (@ 64.80.98.165) on: Fri Mar 5 15:56:30 EST 2004
  
  Application is different from Purpose.
  The composer decides purpose or Application or objective or the theme. However people who hear it also concludes on their part, the best part is their view might not be the view of the composer. That’s why I always say music listening is subjective.
  
  
  Imo, like canvas art [painting] a musical work does have a predetermined figure or layout in composers mind. The composer knows the context in this head.
  
  All this is attributed to the human ear; how it treats the proper sound. If I give you a composition without a theme or application, your ears will reject it automatically. This capacity in humans has made composer to compose with an application.
  
  first lesson during composing primer is creating a theme in music. Theme gives it a proper shape. I am talking all this from composers point of view.
  
  
  Now comes the question of Audience,
  
  This theme I told above changes due to various factors that is governed by time,
  One such factor current music industry talks is the “Trend”
  
  What is trend?
  Ans: It is a collective preference of many.
  
  So every commercial composer today, tries to identify this collective preference and try to compose in this way so that their composition reaches many ears. But bottom line is they try to use the same musical skill, which they used in another so-called “trend”.
  
  My guess is Bach or Thayagaraja would have had similar approach to popularize their motive. They must have given music in the trend that was popular during that period
  Eg: classical music, Choral singing or symphony arrangements.
  
  I think this is what our friend DaVince is trying to convey. I also felt he meant that if Artists does not follow “the trend” he is bound to introduce something new, I am not sure 100% on that.
  
  imo, A Composer first have to complete the first stage of making the people hear the composition, If not nothing will come out. No one will know the work,
  may be someone will dig it out after composers time.
  
  
• From: Anand (@ 132.183.136.57) on: Fri Mar 5 17:30:11 EST 2004
  
  
  we seem to agree but I think the words we choose are confusing....ah if I had more time to think and write !!(doing this from work!!)
  
  Srik,
  you are right that the theme is central to a piece, but by a theme I mean, a story or an external attribute, like say nature, or a beautiful woman or the countryside....
  
  secondly, music listening is subjective, yes, but one must listen first before being subjective. I mean, a person cannot conclude that a certain form of music (that he likes) is as good and artistically sophisticated as any other unless he has listened and appreciated to the true qualities of both forms. Of course in many cases this is not feasible and it is perfectly allright.
  Suppose you were U.Srinivas, where will you have the time to listen to Flamenco? given he has to maintain his perspective in the carnatic tradition that he has chosen. So an artist like him can at best be open minded (which I am sure he is) about the various musical forms that he hasnt been exposed to. (Of course it is different issue if you do fusion, so pl dont bring that in)
  
  just my opnions ...
  
  

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