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7 points if IR seeks a comeback

Topic started by Sriram (@ 136.2.1.153) on Fri Jul 2 11:19:18 EDT 2004.
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1. Stop writing songs (even first few lines..)
2. Use good lyricists like Vairamuthu
3. Work with leading directors
4. Stop singing himself
5. Stop using Bhavadharini
6. Stop listening to "Jalra" parties - Eg: RajKiran, Ramarajan
7. Shed some ego

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• From: Cinefan (@ 203.101.53.120) on: Wed Jul 7 01:51:47 EDT 2004
  
  Comments:if you feel IR was arrogant&told people to 'take it or leave it'why is it that Kamal ,balumahendra still swear by IR.They are still highly respected people&any MD will love to work with them or is it that IR behaved arrogantly only with VM,KB,MR&BR and not with Kamal&BM.if so why?if his nature is like that he will act cranky with everyone right?Also people like Kamal&BM will not tolerate arrogance even if it is IR.So they would have left him by now.Engeyo ennamo iddikudhe.
  
  
• From: Jagan (@ 61.11.73.84) on: Wed Jul 7 02:18:23 EDT 2004
  
  Leaving balachander, Dir from Maniratnam to Todays Thangarbachans were freshers to whom IR composed masterpieces. They have grown along with Ir's contribution and became leading directors.
  
  If you see maniratnam's graph with excepting Idayakovil(an average movie which ran only for songs) all the movies were 100 days run , till dalapathi.
  
  Hence, IMHO there is no necessity for IR to work with socalled leading directors now .
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.234.1) on: Wed Jul 7 02:42:01 EDT 2004
  
  main point if IR needs to make a comeback:
  
  1.stop criticising abt. computer music,linux and microsoft and work with good sound engineers and improve upon his sound quality......he is a master in tunes but not so gr8 when it comes to innovative sounds.......he really needs to plug that gap in his glittering career........
  
  cinefan, BM is also a cranky man, so he gels well with IR.....kamal hassan is so anti-ARR that he has to stick with IR...ARR broke his nose by giving him 2 superhits like INDIAN and Thenali,inspite of kamal's pessimism abt ARR......he too tried mahesh and ppl. like him.....but having said all, IR is such a towering persoanlity that he affords to have EGO....
  
  
• From: Sriram (@ 136.1.1.33) on: Wed Jul 7 08:53:09 EDT 2004
  
  Comments... Thanks for the support. We are on the same wave length...
  
  Jagan.. You sound as if these directors grew because of IRs music. Thats not fair... IR gave bad music to Rajini and Bagyaraj - they had big hits (Mundhanai Mudichu - supposed to be the biggest hit in the history of TF industry - has below average songs, Manithan/Padikkathavan).IR gave very good music to Kamal, BaluM - they had their string of flops.. I think Director and MD compliment each other...
  
  ARR gives very goog music to Kadhir... where is he? No real movie hit with ARR...
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ 198.16.9.10) on: Wed Jul 7 11:13:30 EDT 2004
  
  Robin,
  I think you need to read history properly.
  
  IR did not desert KB and BR. BR deserted IR after Kadalara Kavithaigal. Came back to Pudhu Nellu Pudhu Nathu, Naadodi Thendral and a few other movies and then decided to desert IR again and never came back to IR (and also to stardom). All his recent movies stink inspite of his good efforts. BR's movies appeal only with IR's music PERIOD(.)
  
  KB deserting IR did not affect him or IR in anyway. KB was never a big director anyways and he is fit for serials and drama type movies only.
  
  Mani ratnam deserted IR for no reason. He just wanted fresh air of Music and he got it in Roja but soon evaporated. MR still has so much praise for IR and so is Suhasini (his wife).
  
  IR did not prefer to work with Ramarajan and Rajkiran. It just happened. The music for their movies was a big hit an so they became big heros.
  
  Thangar Bachaan, AR Murugadas, Ball are indeed big directors with a few good trend setting hits.
  
  
• From: J@cky (@ 61.2.38.240) on: Wed Jul 7 12:56:24 EDT 2004
  
  "He just wanted fresh air of Music and he got it in Roja but soon evaporated."
  
  :)
  
  "Thangar Bachaan, AR Murugadas, Ball are indeed big directors with a few good trend setting hits."
  
  :) :)
  
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.236.239) on: Wed Jul 7 13:05:05 EDT 2004
  
  which ball???tennis ball or cricket ball....no i dunt want comments like my wife's ball...pls....i know u r all IR fans......
  
  
• From: Sriram (@ 136.1.1.33) on: Wed Jul 7 13:28:19 EDT 2004
  
  Dorai - the reply shall be to me (Sriram), not Robin.
  
  Yes you are right - BR and KB left IR, because they had no other option. IR was not giving them enough time and tunes. Please accept they are also big directors. So they went searching for new MDs. IR never turned them away - but gave bad service.
  
  IR preferred working with RajKiran/Ramarajan type of guys - where IR felt important. (I have seen many Ramarajan movie poster just featuring IR) - the same importance will not be available while working with KB, BR.
  
  I am sorry but I can not control - I am LOL when reading your statements below.
  
  "KB was never a big director"
  "Thangar Bachaan, AR Murugadas, Ball are indeed big directors with a few good trend setting hits."
  
  
• From: cn (@ 198.31.45.51) on: Wed Jul 7 13:48:14 EDT 2004
  
  "Yes you are right - BR and KB left IR, because they had no other option. IR was not giving them enough time and tunes. Please accept they are also big directors. So they went searching for new MDs. IR never turned them away - but gave bad service"
  
  I don't think this is justified. Can you point out which of their movies had bad service/music? In fact, BR was the one who benefited the most from IR !! May be, they might have left IR for poor personal treatment but not for getting poor music.
  
  
• From: Madrasguy (@ 205.242.228.31) on: Wed Jul 7 13:54:04 EDT 2004
  
  I think Dorai sufers from a bout of insomnia.
  
  If KB , who launched Rajini & Kamal (not just launch, but kept repeating them so that they could sustain in the field) , is not a Big Director , then who is ? I believe, KB is the only TF director who has made movies , from 1960s till 2000s. He was sucessful enough to do that. There were some very good Directors like Mahendran (Uthiri Pookkal, Mullum Malaram, etc) who despite making very good stuff, couldn't sustain.
  
  TF audience started recognizing directors only from KB, Sridhar (& to some extent Bhim Singh). Otherwise, people used to see "MGR" "Sivaji" movies.
  
  
  
  
• From: e (@ 136.1.1.33) on: Wed Jul 7 14:07:36 EDT 2004
  
  Madrasguy, add Sridevi to list of KB's launches:-)
  
  
• From: Sriram (@ 136.1.1.33) on: Wed Jul 7 15:16:47 EDT 2004
  
  CN,
  
  Are you trying to say IR is a great musician but not good/humble person? (see point 7 above)
  
  
• From: raja (@ 165.21.154.14) on: Wed Jul 7 15:32:32 EDT 2004
  
  Sriram
  
  i would agree with some of the 7 points you mentioned.
  
  IR really HAVE to work with some the current leading TF directors.
  Just go and watch Kathal Oviyam - What a great music to listen all over again.
  KB and BR should work with IR again !! Yes also our VM to pen songs for IR too.
  
  IF only the talented people and let GO their ego and work together ... (for the sake of good music, which is rare these days) TF will boom with great Music Numbers.
  Will that happen ??
  
  
• From: SK (@ 199.90.34.67) on: Wed Jul 7 16:56:18 EDT 2004
  
  'adhu oru azhagiya nilaak kaalam
  kanavugaL dhinam dhinam ulaa pOgum!"
  
  
• From: Cinefan (@ 203.101.52.175) on: Thu Jul 8 01:34:56 EDT 2004
  
  Raja,it's true that people should shed their ego's buti think it's too late now.KB is doing only serials,BR seems to have lost touch,the magic is not there in his movies,will it come back if he makes a team with IR-VM?i doubt.realistically MR-VM-IR team can come back&recreate the magic as MR continues to make brilliant movies&his musical sense is excellent.But IR as an individual still comes up with brilliant music if the subject excites him but the days when he gave outstanding music to very poor films is definitely gone.Time has indeed taken it's toll on him.i just hope mani goes back to IR.
  
  
• From: Jagan (@ 61.11.73.84) on: Thu Jul 8 02:46:35 EDT 2004
  
  Sriram
  
  Firstly i would like to clarify
  
  1) Manithan was not by IR -it was by Chandrabose
  
  2) Bad music to Rajini & Bhagyaraj ??????
  
  
  What do you mean by below average songs in M.Mudichu.My friend the songs were roaring hit during those days and do you mean to say Songs like Andhivarum neram , Chinnanchirukiliye are below average songs???
  
  The songs were composed purely based on the scripts where Rajini was always projected as a commercial hero and Bhagyaraj was doing different scripts based on centiments, comedy etc.
  
  
  Could you please tell me atleast one film of IR-Rajini Combo that had bad music.
  
  What about the movies like, 6-60,Mullum Malarum, A.Vaarisu, N.Nallavan, D.Yudham etc.
  
  My opnion is that IR composed music fairly to all the directors and the directors like Maniratnam were starters when IR was in peak and might be a leading director.
  
  
  
  You sound as if these directors grew because of IRs music. Thats not fair... IR gave bad music to Rajini and Bagyaraj - they had big hits (Mundhanai Mudichu - supposed to be the biggest hit in the history of TF industry - has below average songs, Manithan/Padikkathavan).IR gave very good music to Kamal, BaluM - they had their string of flops.. I think Director and MD compliment each other...
  
  
  
• From: Cinefan (@ 203.101.52.175) on: Thu Jul 8 06:38:10 EDT 2004
  
  Jagan,
  you left out Jhony-a classic in the Rajini-IR combo.
  
  
• From: sridharan (@ 202.153.37.115) on: Thu Jul 8 08:13:50 EDT 2004
  
  
  "My opinion is that IR composed music fairly to all the directors "
  Yes. But I think each director had different preferences when it came to the BGM. say
  
  MR- Western classical instrumental fusions Eg 'Idayathai Thirudathey'
  BR- Folk Music with a western classical touch.
  Eg. BGM of Kadalora Kavidhaigal & Nighalgal.
  KB- Classical Touch, with violin, veena & tabla dominating the scenes. Most of the scenes, the BGM too was part of the dialogs. Eg: Unnal mudiyum thambi, Sindhu Bhairavi
  
  
  
  
• From: Sriram (@ 136.2.1.101) on: Thu Jul 8 09:38:54 EDT 2004
  
  Jagan,
  
  Do you really think "Mundhanai Mudichu" songs are good? They were popular at that time because of the movie, not because of songs.Do you think "Kadhal Oviyum" songs were popular when the movie was in Theaters? NO WAY...We still love to listen "Kadhal Oviyum", but not "Mundhanai Mudichu"
  
  Lets see Rajini - Manithan - my mitake. Sorry.
  
  "What about the movies like, 6-60,Mullum Malarum, A.Vaarisu, N.Nallavan, D.Yudham etc." -- In the above list I do not think we can call any movies as Rajini Movie excpet "N.Nallavan" - Rajini had not reached "Super Star" status... Moreover IR was churning out good music to all movies in 70s and early 80s. He became choosy from mid 80s. Can you tell me a Rajini movie which has exceptional IR music after 85? (except Raajadhi Raaja which happens to be IR home production).
  
  I am sure IR was choosy - but I do not complain, some good scripts deseve good music. But I can not accept big directors grew because of IR.
  
  (I just wanted to point out Bagyaraj grew with out IR help - to some extend Rajini too)
  
  

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