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Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

Responses:

Old responses
From: kk (@ ) on: Tue Oct 24 14:02:28 EDT 2000

I feel the so called sky song from rthym (anbey ..) is same as mella mella enai thotu .. song from Vazhikai by IR.
From: eden (@ 61.1.250.208) on: Tue Oct 24 22:57:29 EDT 2000

ARR-Shankar reportedly wanted not to have any similarity of `ChinnakaNNan azhaikkiRAn' in the `rAtchasi' which is based on the same ragam...in the process ARR got inspired to do `kaNdukondEn, kaNdukondEn' whose first line is much similar to `chinnakkaNNan azhaikkiRAn':-)
From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Tue Oct 24 23:06:36 EDT 2000

Kandukonden kandukonden has no similiarity with Chinna kannan azhaikiraan ;-)
From: Nishanthi (@ 216.199.26.125) on: Wed Oct 25 08:59:24 EDT 2000

Yes I listened to ShakthiFM radio on the net, they boadcast a song from the movie "Vaanavil". I have no idea about the movie or MD. But there is one song "Oh penne penne " which has music(BG) exact copy from the album Ace of Base "She leads the lonely life" starting music. I am sorry I don't that vaanvil song If anyone have please post it.

Nishanthi
From: Nishanthi (@ 216.199.26.125) on: Wed Oct 25 09:00:37 EDT 2000

Sorry it is yesterday not yes
From: kk (@ 172.135.157.36) on: Wed Oct 25 22:09:19 EDT 2000

what shankar got to do with kandukonden kandukonden?
From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Thu Oct 26 10:58:28 EDT 2000

eden,:
both kaNdukoNdEn kaNdukoNdEn and chinnakkaNNan azhaikkiRAn (the lines) traverse the arOhaNam of the respective rAgas (naLinakAnthi and rIthigowLa). so the general trend in the melody line is to go up. hence you might feel that they sound similar.
From: IR hater (@ 202.9.148.215) on: Sun Oct 29 09:22:58 EST 2000

The humming in the song "Mottu Ondru Malarndida Marukkum" in Kushi is a direct lift
from the old song "Chittukuruvi Muttham koduthu serndida kandeane". I am talking abt the line in Kushi "Ulathai ..." which is a lift fm the humming "ahaahaha...." in Chitukurvi song
From: IR hater (@ 202.9.148.215) on: Sun Oct 29 09:27:47 EST 2000

The song "Fair and Lovely Baby" from 'parthen rasithen' is like "Come home barbie lets go party" song by aqua and also like "varayo thozhi varayen tozhi " from jeans.
From: IR hater (@ 202.9.148.215) on: Sun Oct 29 09:33:05 EST 2000

Deva again... in Kushi
the song is "Makarena"
The line : 'Naan Ninaithal Ulagam ....' directly lifted fm the lines "Maanam peridendru" from the MGR song 'Unnaiarindaal'
From: Murali (@ 198.110.188.166) on: Sun Oct 29 10:11:55 EST 2000

Hey all:

Did you notice that some of the background music of A.R.Rahman are his own song themes from other
movies ?

"Roja's" background music in some scenes is
nothing but a glimpse of "Telephone mani pol"
song's from the movie "Indian".

"Rhythm's" background music has the impact of "Anbenra mazhaiyile" song from Minsara Kanavu.

I am noticing this pattern in several other ARR
BGM's. Either he is running out of BGM tracks or
limited in imagination or some proxy is composing
those tracks.

Regards,
Murali.
From: dolphino (@ 203.117.33.25) on: Sun Oct 29 11:31:09 EST 2000

how bout the song frm Thenali where they were singing in the rain . The first 2 lines R familiar ,can anyone recall?
From: IR hater (@ 202.9.147.84) on: Sun Oct 29 22:06:17 EST 2000

The song : Suntha Hein Mera Huda
Movie : Pukar
inspiration : Kallellam Maanikka Kallaguma ..Kalaiyellam Kangal sollum ..
From: Sandeep (@ 194.170.168.229) on: Mon Oct 30 03:10:12 EST 2000

The song - Yen Vaanilae, I think from the film Jhony and 'Akaraseemai Azhaginilae' from Priya, by Illayaraja are inspired by a western classical composition. I cant seem to recollect the name though but i know for sure they are. Can anybody help
From: Logic King (@ 208.237.135.21) on: Mon Oct 30 09:45:41 EST 2000

Sandeep ---> they are Mozart Symphony #12.345 and Bach Concerto #34.5667
From: IRFan (@ 12.25.43.2) on: Mon Oct 30 11:24:08 EST 2000

Devas vettrikodi kattu the song " Karpu thaan " Song is a direct lift from Rajasekar film ethu thanda Police title song
From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Mon Oct 30 13:47:21 EST 2000

senthmiz thEnmoziyaaL to this song or reverse ?

http://209.207.247.131/cgi-bin/tssongs/load.cgi?f=oldies/a/aan/7.rm&l=1&i=4253&d=1

the film name is aan
From: pg (@ 12.20.190.1) on: Mon Oct 30 14:06:06 EST 2000

MS :
Your answer is here :

http://newtfmpage.com/ppp/kann3.html
From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Mon Oct 30 14:39:31 EST 2000

pg
what font we require here ?
From: Nishanthi (@ 216.199.26.125) on: Mon Oct 30 15:39:41 EST 2000

You need Murasu font for viewing above topic
From: IR hater (@ 202.9.147.240) on: Tue Oct 31 08:36:06 EST 2000

the song vennilave vennilave - minsara kanavu
kinda resembles "adi ennadi raakamma pallaku nerlippu"

fair and lovely baby song in parthen rasithen is from "sardu tera tak raaye.. yaa dil dooba jaye.. aaja pyare paas hamare " (johny walker)
From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Tue Oct 31 10:45:57 EST 2000

Check out main abheli in Zubeida. It has U2 like sounds. This is not copying but shows how far and wide ARR goes shopping for new sounds :-) . I know this is TFM but soon Zubeida songs will show up in Tamil as well.
From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Tue Oct 31 19:19:38 EST 2000

kiru, appadiyaa paa? romba sandhosham. payasam kudicha maadiri irukku!
From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Thu Nov 2 15:02:09 EST 2000

If you guys remember, I quoted a song from malayalam which has been greatly "inspired" from aasai athigam vechchu. Similar is the case with "kaNgaLaal naan varainthEn" sung by KJY and PS(guess it is by SG). the santham (including the mini aalaap) has been copied cleverly by the MD from the song "unnidam mayangugiren". There are traces of the original song in the sharanam too.
From: karikaalan (@ 138.67.22.80) on: Thu Nov 2 15:32:18 EST 2000

Dear TFM members!

My humble opinion is that Ilayaraaja is the
only MD who copied at the very least rate.
(May be less than 5% od his whole contribution
to Tamil Film Music world.) This is infact a FACT.

All other MD including MSV, ARR, DEVA, Shankar Ganesh, Chandra Bose, SA Rajkumar, Sirpy copied most of their work from Western pop, rock, country, Indian classical, Indian folk and Hindi Music etc. ( I would say more than
605 of their work)

ARR copied many songs:

1. Pakthi paattu padattum (Puthiya Mugam) is from
Bangles.
2. Mukala Mukabola is from Dr.Alban's album
3. Poovukkenna Poottu (Bombay) is from his own
song Ottakattha kattiko (which may be a copy)
4. Pennalla Pennala Oothappu is copy of Pesumanimottu rojakkal
5. Telephone mani pola is a copy of one of the
song of Ace of Base
6. Roja roja is mere copy from Kadhalar Dinam "Oh mera raja" a hindi song (!) in the movie Varumaiyin niram sivappu written by P.B.Srinivas
7. Enna vilai Azhake is a copy of the MGR song
Thangapathakkathin Melae.
8. "Kannil varum kaatchi ellam" - a song from
Sangamam is a copy of a gazal Mast kalandar.

I have many more examples. I can't remember right now. I can even find almost all of his songs.
Now we have a period in Tamil cine worls where
we songs do not have a proper "Prelude, Interlude
and a good music depth".

To my knowledge ARR doest not have creativity. He is good at recording quality and some technical qulaties. His creativity is VERY POOR. This any one can find from his POOR back ground score performance in his movies that he has composed so far. (Can any one point out a good background score by ARR in even single movie?)

He is surviving by mere publicity (at very big level) given to this MD (medium level music
director) inorder to suppress classic MD to fulfill few Padaippalikal in the Film industry
and by few Supremists in the Mass Media world.

TFM members therfore understand the difference
between Good music and Creativity from other
secodary stuff.

-Karikaalan
From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Thu Nov 2 17:24:06 EST 2000

karikaalan:

We do appreciate your ideas. But, before you may put them here, should you not have been a bit patient to go through all the responses earlier. You have just ground the same batter for the nth time. Let me tell you - your dhOsai is not any better. It is just another roadside "aandha bavan/vasantha bhavan" dhOsai.
From: Ota vai (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Thu Nov 2 17:43:52 EST 2000

MS, avar pudusu pola.

karikal
5% is kind of too high, there is not even 10-15 songs reported so far, out of that 10 are just inspiration.

what did chandrabose copy?? his music is so bad, I dont think i would be a copy!. (except for few)
From: Ota vai (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Thu Nov 2 17:44:01 EST 2000

MS, avar pudusu pola.

karikal
5% is kind of too high, there is not even 10-15 songs reported so far, out of that 10 are just inspiration.

what did chandrabose copy?? his music is so bad, I dont think it would be a copy!. (except for few)
From: Nalla advice (@ 208.154.130.13) on: Thu Nov 2 18:21:18 EST 2000

Oota vai subba:

ARR thambi paattula 99% copy dhaanga ;-).

Karikaala:

Nee nalla ezhudhu mEn. Inga ARR gumbal IR fansai ezhudha vidama pannanumna pakkuraanga. vitturadhe maa!
From: vevaram! (@ 205.227.43.13) on: Thu Nov 2 19:01:55 EST 2000

karikalan avargalE...

neengal MSV-ai sirpy, S.A.Rajkumar list-il sErthadharkkaaga, ungal isai gnaanathai mechinOm!!
From: karikaalan (@ 138.67.22.80) on: Thu Nov 2 20:47:16 EST 2000

Dear Friends,

MSV is very good in setting tunes (Mettu!); but
he is not good at orchestration (in Prelude and
Interlude). Moreover in olden days Our Tamil
Music directors copied from Hindi Film Music.
But olden days we had good lyricists.

To Mr.Ota vai (Enna Peru ithu!) I agree with you,
it is not even 5% that Ilayaraaja has copied
from other stuff. Not more than 10 songs out of
his enormous contribution to TFM.

I would like to make a point here. I am not even
a fan of Ilayaraaja and even his Music. But I
could not tolerate the injustice done to this Man.
(even by common people and mass media)

(When people appriciated his music in those days,
there were comments like "enna irunthaalum pazhiya
paatu mathiri varuma". Though these comments
are valid now a days, people apriciate recent
modern "digital" Music directors. It is realy
an injustice. Even at the level of national
awards and Presidential awards an injustice
has been done to this Genious. I think the award
committee and President do not have a musical
sense! Useless guys. This year the National best music award went to Hindi Music director for the
movie "Hum Dil .... Sanam". You know! what job he has done : He composed only songs. The background score is composed by some othe guy. But this guy
got an award. ennaiya ithu awarda ithu...karuvadu ithu. )

I suddenly remember few more ARR songs copied/
inspired from other songs:

(11) Varayen thozhi vayathana thozhi" is from
"O mere sonare" or "Neruku Ner ninru ".

(12) "Lucky Lucky..." from Ratchagan is copy of
"Podachchona Pottukkanum" or "Kaki chattai
"Potta machan "
(13) "Nenje Nenje..." from Ratchagan is heavily
inspired / copied by "Azhakana pulli mane"
in saranams.

Few more will come soon ....

-- Karikaalan.

Note:
I even doubt about selection of TOP TEN songs.
I do not know on what basis these songs are selected. Some times songs which get more votes
may be selected as Fourth song or Fifth song.
For this matter, I would say that TOP TEN sucks!

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