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vm and tms win padmashree

Topic started by barani (@ 64.230.12.105) on Sat Jan 25 16:58:28 EST 2003.
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• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.5) on: Thu Jan 30 16:07:32 EST 2003
  
  monographs,rational engagement,imperical veracity,exegesis,incontrovertible,verbosity and poor rhetoric
  Thayavu senju enakku yaravathu the above words'ukku villakkam sollunga.
  Naaz,Neenga ethana varusham TOEFL padicheenga?:-) intha podu podreenga?:-)
  
  
• From: Sam (@ 208.134.115.240) on: Thu Jan 30 16:08:20 EST 2003
  
  secret agent s0: u shud work for CIA. God gave you too much brain. how do u spell gujarati in english? t-a-m-i-l-i-a-n? LOLOL!
  u guyz could not offer one valid point about ur sorry singers awful musicand harsh language. for eg when Mr.Ali offered such great argument for Rafi u guyz had nothing to say back. accept ur shortcomings instead of accusing me as biased.
  
  
• From: unga thozhan (@ 68.97.168.128) on: Thu Jan 30 16:59:34 EST 2003
  
  LLD, facts are difficult to digest. adhuthaan appidi varudhu:-)
  
  
• From: av (@ 132.206.124.206) on: Thu Jan 30 17:03:05 EST 2003
  
  Naaz - arrogance personified, you truly are! You can't show the bare minimum courtesy of addressing a person by name. And I don't know what you have against me that you have to launch a personal attack against me time and again. (I think the fact that you got reprimanded for your arrogance by none other than Ramki, a true veteran of this page, [who has contributed much more than you have to this forum], has hurt you permanently. That is why you fled like a true crybaby from the forum. That was a blessing, though! :-))
  
  Raju Bharatan has written contradictory remarks about Pancham in two different articles.
  In one article he claimed that it was SDB and not RDB who composed the music of Aradhana. And that it was SDB who had "ghost-composed" for Amar Prem.
  In a couple of articles later he wrote just the opposite. This was just one instance where he has tried to create a rift between father and son by dwelling on unnecessary and erroneous trivia.
  He also made unfair and contradictory comparisons between L-P and RDB in two different articles.
  Look up all your wonderful sources. Pancham fans were wild at Raju Bharatan's disrespectful remarks. This point was raised during the annual Pancham meet in Pune some time ago. [BTW, Pune is the city of the National Film Archives. Hope that indicates something.]
  
  --He has time and again dwelt on alleged love affairs between singers and MDs and thereby encroached upon their personal lives. He has no business doing that.
  
  --He has time and again ridiculed artists and passed extremely poor remarks about them. Forget the Mangeshkars, his remarks against Rafi and Mukesh too have been in poor taste quite often.
  Not to mention Kishore.
  
  --He is a person without much knowledge of either cricket or music and has constantly prattled about both areas. (His raaga listings are quite erroneous as well as has been pointed out very clearly by veteran observers.)
  
  Therefore it quite proves that his articles are not necessarily "well-researched". [Just curious but Subhash Jha, Gangadhar Gadgil and Shirish Kanhekar besides several other are/were accomplished journalists but I know very well why you think their articles I biased :-)]
  
  And if I may ask you, what exactly are your credentials when you termed Sudha Raghunathan's singing in Ivann as hype? When you called Janaki's voice as screechy in the high octaves?
  Looks like Ilayaraaja himself needs to take music lessons from you :-)
  
  But thanks for proving once again (in over-decorated English with truckloads of your characteristic verbosity) that you are clueless about what you are talking.
  
  Read what s0 has said about me two posts above. Perhaps, that will make you fret and fume for yet another 4 months! :-)
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.87.28.203) on: Thu Jan 30 17:04:02 EST 2003
  
  Lord Labaku -
  
  Monograph: Oru Porul/Thurai/Nabar -ai saarndha urai.
  
  Rational Engagement: Arivu Thelivana Vakkuvadham
  
  Imperical Veracity: Alakka/Yenna kkodiyaadhu
  
  Exegesis: Sambashanai / Thiranaivu
  
  Incontrovertible: Urudhiyana
  
  Verbosity: Arththamatra Vaarththaigal
  
  Poor Rhetoric: Veen Vaai Savadal
  
  TOEFL-ai vida Tamizhai niraiya aandugal padiththaen.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 136.181.195.25) on: Thu Jan 30 17:27:21 EST 2003
  
  Naaz,
  LLD'kay doubt clear panniya dheivamey..Thanks..:-)
  
  
• From: naaz (@ 24.87.28.203) on: Thu Jan 30 17:43:45 EST 2003
  
  AVR -
  
  I have absolutely no desire to engage with opportunists like you who are incapable of thoughtful dialogue. My posts from the past speak for themselves.
  
  Me a "crybaby"? Go back a few months, maybe eight, in the VJ thread and you will find your full page "apology" to me. But I guess you didn't mean it at all?
  
  I read the posts in this thread only because somebody emailed me and asked me to take a peek (some valuable contributors from this forum do keep in touch with me.) Yes, I read the s0's messages too. I am still not sure what he meant by "healthy". Me, arrogant? Anybody who reads your posts can see your rabid contempt for south indians (particularly the tamils - and now it involves their literature,history and contribution to the independence movement too. That's progress!) Of course, you have always maintained that southern musicians are only good for the south (unless they happen to be Kavita Subramaniam or Hariharan or ARR) and they should stay put where they are. And HFM/HCM singers are always superior in every way. I admire your consistency. I am sure others do too.
  
  Yes, I did say that SR's playback debut in Ivann did not measure up to the Hype that preceded it. I don't see that as a slur to her classical grooming, maybe you do. And that, I can do nothing about.
  
  I don't have the slightest inclination to rebut your litany of charges against RB. But I know that you are no cinema historian or authority to counter his research. As they say, talk is cheap.
  
  Yes, I am clueless about what I am talking. Have always been this way. And, no, I don't need lessons in how to construct an argument or analysis from you (god, no thanks.)
  
  
  
• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.5) on: Thu Jan 30 17:56:22 EST 2003
  
  unga thozhan,
  dry fruits are difficult to digest..'facts' kudava?
  
  
• From: Sam (@ 208.134.115.240) on: Thu Jan 30 18:00:56 EST 2003
  
  this discussion is full of crybabies LOL!
  hi funnyman how r u?
  
  
• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.5) on: Thu Jan 30 18:04:04 EST 2003
  
  dei machi Sam,
  Eppidi da irukkey nee..unna paathu evalavu naal aachu.kanellam kalanguthu enakku...
  
  Only way to stop u LOL'ing after each sentence is to put 24 injections around your belly button.(is bellybutton(bb) alowed in TFMPageDF by bb?)
  :-)
  
  
• From: av (@ 132.206.124.206) on: Thu Jan 30 18:17:38 EST 2003
  
  "anybody who reads your posts will see your rabid contempt for south indians (particularly the tamils - and now it involves literature, history and contribution to the independence movement too. Thats progress!)."
  
  You need lessons in English comprehension and "reading within context". OISG said: "Tamil literature is better than that of the literaure of any other language". To this, I merely said that inorder to make such a statement, one must know all languages of India and have exposure to the literature of those languages. Moreover quality of literature is not something that can be measured. In what way does this demean the Tamil language? This guy called Sam calls Tamil a crude, harsh language spoken by junglees. I even opposed him and said it sounds sweet to my ears
  and that his remarks are egregious.
  
  I also did not say anything about Tamil history. My remark that they sucked up to the British was an exaggeration, but it was in reaction to an equally poor remark about all Northies being like Laloo Yadav. Nevertheless, when you read the description of the Indian freedom struggle, one sees many many more North Indian names than South Indian. And thats true even for the books authored by South Indians. The army, navy and airforce have a greater percentage of North Indians than South Indians. Just as india has more South Indian mathematicians than North Indian. India also has more South Indian Nobel-winners than North Indian.
  
  If all those history books are wrong, so be it. But that is not my fault.
  
  That some South Indian singers dont sound native in Hindi (or Marathi) is certainly my opinion. Just as you feel that say Asha doesnt sound native in Tamil. So that means that you too imply that Asha is good only for North Indian songs and she should be put where she is. That is true for almost every artist/performer. Bhimsen Joshi would probably make a lousy opera singer, or Vishwanathan Anand may perform lousily in squash. Pointing this out is not demeaning. For instance, I grew up to listening to the voice of MSS day in and day out. I used to love her sthotrams, devotionals in Tamil, classical concerts, but I always felt she sounded weird when she sang Marathi abhang. Likewise I also used to listen to Lata day in and day out, but I felt her voice did not suit folksy tunes or songs with strong seductive element. This is merely pointing out a limitation. It does not amount to insulting the artist.
  
  Doesn't saying that Janaki's voice sounds screechy amount to disrespecting her very basic singing skills? Why do you so very conveniently ignore pointed questions asked to you? Saying that SRs singing in Ivann did not measure up is one thing. Calling it HYPE is rude (and that too without any support to your statements).
  
  I have also never stated, directly or indirectly, that HFM/ HCM singers/ composers are superior. I have maintained that MSV-TKR were better than
  S-J, that IR is the best composer in India, and that KVM's classical songs outshine Naushad's.
  That today ARR is far superior to any North Indian composer. I have however opposed people calling Naushad's music as junk. I love PS and SJ as much as Lata and Asha. In my opinion, SPB is on par with Rafi, and KJY is above Manna Dey.
  
  And you say - "anybody who reads my posts sees my valid contempt for the Tamils". Get yourself a good pair of spectacles, and look at the statements by s0 and isaiosai. And I am sure they are tamil speakers. May I post his or kalai's or rajesh's emails to me? I have still kept them. That might tell you something.
  
  Yes, I made the grave mistake of apologizing to you, when I needn't have done it. Indeed I have paid dearly for being too good.
  
  If you think that the above statements by me constitute thoughtlessness and racism, it is merely your narrow-mindedness and intolerance to another person's point of view. This is a very bad principle in life. I must say I pity you for that!
  
  
  
• From: Jeera (@ 206.175.176.2) on: Thu Jan 30 18:51:15 EST 2003
  
  Hiya Jolly!
  
  For a change ARR vs IR illama, Northies vs Southies.
  
  Nallairukku, Nadakattum!!
  
  :-)
  
  

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