Raga of song please
Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
All times in EDT +9:30 for IST.
The popular notation used on this page. The twelve notes of an octave are the following.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 S R1 R2 R3 G3 M1 M2 P D1 D2 D3 N3 G1 G2 N1 N2
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- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Wed Apr 10 03:39:51 EDT 2002
you kid a lot :-)))
- From: Prabhu (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Wed Apr 10 03:40:29 EDT 2002
IR_fan,
that’s a news to me… we generally discuss on ragas but I don’t remember saying whatever u have said… but I don’t think there’s anything wrong in asking experts (like IR, Sinduja, Ram, Anu, etc) ;-) in this field…
Sinduja,
Nothing like that yaar… IR said that she will get back to me after hearing the song… that’s why I asked her… but even now I strongly feel that the song is based on “natabhairavi” …
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Wed Apr 10 03:48:27 EDT 2002
Prabhu,
U deserve a treat...neenga nejama sonneengalo illai poi sonneengalo theriyalai but Anu,IR,Sindhuja kooda ennaiyum serthu pottuteenga...mikka nanri....
IR_Fan I only hope that u dont mind....if my posting had hurt u I'm really sorry....ungalukke theriyum how much I treasure ur aquintance
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Wed Apr 10 04:31:47 EDT 2002
enna IR_Fan aala kanom?mailukku replyum kanom?....
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Wed Apr 10 04:52:29 EDT 2002
Oru high pressure meeting Ram..Adhaan adiyen missing...btw, i saw ur mail..enna ram neenga, I have interacted with you in forums & chat so much, and still u have doubts huh?...i like your humour sense so much, and nothing u ever say will offend me. Period. And neenga yedhuvum thappa sollaliye :-). Chumma lighter vein'la sonneenga, and i know that very well. Let me tell u something that my friends know very well Ram. Once I decide someone is my friend, the person stays my friend forever, and adhil endha oru maatramum varaadhu. So rest in peace Ram. Neengalum en eternal nanban.
[P.S. The same is applicable for nanbis ;-) though the count is pathetically low. Just like your case :-)). Prabhu has a bigger Nanbi list. Ayyo Prabhu, adikka varaadha ]
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Wed Apr 10 05:00:43 EDT 2002
IR_fan en replya inga post pannina neraya per adikka vanthuduvaanga athanala email anuppi irukken paarunga:-)
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Wed Apr 10 05:14:27 EDT 2002
got it :-)
Sindhuja, Coming back to ARR's kalakkal songs, i was playing "minsara kanna" from padayappa. I remember someone in this thread mentioning in uses Hamsanandhi too (was that you who mentioned?). I feel it is so. Use Vasantha + Hamsanandhi (IMHO).
[P.S IMHO was added since self is talking to Sindhuja ;-)]
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Wed Apr 10 05:16:18 EDT 2002
Ayya yaaravathu IMHO na ennanu sollunga pls.
entha threadla paarthalum thirumba thirumba varuthu....Pls. enlighten me
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Wed Apr 10 05:22:47 EDT 2002
Ram, neenga romba nallavar sir, in my humble opinion ;-)
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Wed Apr 10 05:28:34 EDT 2002
IR_Fan,
Thanx for the compliments(eppo kavukka poreengalonu bayama irukku)
IMHO na ennanu sollunga sir
- From: IR_Fan (@ )
on: Wed Apr 10 05:36:25 EDT 2002
adhaan sonnaene Ram, "In My Humble Opinion = IMHO"
;-)
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Wed Apr 10 05:37:49 EDT 2002
IR_Fan,
naan oru tubelite sir
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Wed Apr 10 05:46:32 EDT 2002
Nite 3.00 mani aacha athaan moolai konjam medhuva velai seiyuthu...kalaila oru Assignment due:-(
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Wed Apr 10 06:40:39 EDT 2002
Thooka kalakkathula ulararena theriyalai but Poomalai oru paavai aanathu sounds like Gambeera nattai....experts clarify
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Wed Apr 10 06:43:24 EDT 2002
The above song is from film Thangamagan
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Wed Apr 10 06:46:33 EDT 2002
IR_Fan,
Our list is evergrowing....one more song....
"Ada mappilai" in film Siva is Pure Kaapi
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Wed Apr 10 06:49:43 EDT 2002
Interestingly ARR Alaypayuthe la ARR vithyasama "Mangalyam Thanthunaanenaa" potta maathiri in the above mentioned song the "Iyer" sings that mantra in kapi:-)
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.223)
on: Wed Apr 10 10:28:24 EDT 2002
Prabhu - you are right - Naraya Natabhairavi usage irukku - but if you listen to the song without paying any attention, you may not feel that way because Ni3 is used a lot. Ni2 is used in charaNams making it NB - I would say this song is based on Dhenuka and NB - Notes I can spot are "Sa Ri1 Ga2 Ma1 Pa Dha1 Ni3/Ni2 Sa" (Dhenuka is the Ni3 counterpart of NB)
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.223)
on: Wed Apr 10 10:31:48 EDT 2002
hayyayoooo mahaa oLaral - replace Natabhairavi with Thodi :-) (replace ALL) :-)
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.223)
on: Wed Apr 10 11:09:14 EDT 2002
Ram, poomaalai sounds like Shudhdha Dhanyasi.
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.223)
on: Wed Apr 10 11:19:47 EDT 2002
Ram, Koottathile Kovil pura sounds like Bahudhari with Dha2 in the avarohanam too. I believe that would make it karnataka khamas.
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.88)
on: Wed Apr 10 13:54:07 EDT 2002
IR,
I certainly see the raga u mention in the final swarams but Pls. enakkaga innoru thadavai pallavi and charanams kaettu sollunga.....b'cos I definitely get a feeling for Bageshri....if it is still not Bageshri....en antha traces vauthunaavathu xplain pannunga.....
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.223)
on: Wed Apr 10 14:11:16 EDT 2002
hmmmm... ya sila traces irukku - they are close ragas Ram - gAndhAram is different.... other notes are hmmm ... *similar - could be because of that ... but, the starting line itself kind of rules out Bhagesri. It starts on the Panchama note and goes from pa to sa. bhagesri la ascending scale la no panchamam.... this is just my observation.. :-)
- From: drb (@ 203.121.0.15)
on: Thu Apr 11 00:55:54 EDT 2002
Hi everyone. Please help me to get more songs on "dhenuka",except 'En sOga kathaye kElu ThAy kulame'from Tooral ninnu pOchu'.Thank You
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Thu Apr 11 01:11:18 EDT 2002
drb - I told this earlier. "Kaadhal Raagamum Kanni Thamizhum" from the movie "Indran Chandran" is mostly Dhenuka (occasional anya swaras).
Ram, Kali kaalam sir idhu...."kootathile kovil pura" song khamas'nu naan sonna kaetkka nambamateenga...aana ippo nambuveenga ;-).
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Thu Apr 11 02:02:53 EDT 2002
ayya IR_Fan neenga atha khamas nu sonnatha enakku nyabagam illai....Mudhalla Nachiara kumbtuttuthaan(athavathu ungala kaetuttu) Perumal kitta(Athavathu IR kitta)ponen.....:-)
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Thu Apr 11 02:09:27 EDT 2002
IR_fan enna antha "Siva" paatukku oru acknowledgemntum illai?
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.57)
on: Thu Apr 11 02:34:36 EDT 2002
En intha mounam?ellarum bayangara busy pola irukku(ennai thavira)
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Thu Apr 11 03:08:09 EDT 2002
Hi Ram, i am back :-). Thanks for the siva song in kaapi. (r u sure abt the charanams Ram?).
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.57)
on: Thu Apr 11 04:06:24 EDT 2002
IR_Fan I think the whole song is in kaapi
- From: Prabhu (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Thu Apr 11 04:40:02 EDT 2002
IR …
Ultimately what is the raga of the song Yaron sunlozara…u have confused me a lot :-) :-( ..and I don’t find the usage of N3 in that song… probability of me being wrong is quite high in front of u experts :-)
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.57)
on: Thu Apr 11 05:18:13 EDT 2002
IR_fan enna mailukku bathila kanom?...
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.57)
on: Thu Apr 11 05:31:28 EDT 2002
Just now I listened to "Oru Thulir Onnu Arumbuthu"....wow!!what a stunning keeravani.....I wonder how this song went unnoticed....
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.57)
on: Thu Apr 11 05:33:33 EDT 2002
I couldn't help comparing it with Einstein's E=mc^2!!!Both look simple at the first sight but with deeper insight they are sophisticated to the core.
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.57)
on: Thu Apr 11 06:05:43 EDT 2002
Is "Maanin iru" from maapillai is in Sarasangi
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Thu Apr 11 06:32:05 EDT 2002
Ram, it is Mayamalavagowlai.IMHO.
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.70)
on: Thu Apr 11 07:23:44 EDT 2002
Prabhu,
(Sorry if u feel I'm poking my nose too much without being asked!!)
In "Sare bangla sahi na sahi na sahi",the last "hi" of sahi corresponds to N3,also,"Jeelo jaise" goes like:SaSaSaN3.
So as IR said,it is mostly Dhenuka.(No confusion-she means to say that wherever she's written NB,read it as Todi)
In the charanams,I couldn't spot a N3.
Just 1 line in the charams sounded like Sindhubhairavi to me-dunno why.Now,even i feel it is closest to Dhenuka.
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.70)
on: Thu Apr 11 07:25:55 EDT 2002
What abt. "Chup chup chup" from Grahan?hasn't Karthik Raja done a really nice job?(almost all the songs in the album r really good.
Is it in Sumanesa Ranjani?
- From: Prabhu (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Thu Apr 11 07:38:28 EDT 2002
Sinduja...
Thats was wonderful explanation... i am clear now... thanks to u and IR ...
in the same movie (Rangeela) ..there is one beautiful song "Pyar yeh jahne kaisa hain" ...could u people please tell me the raga of that song...
to an extent it sounds to me like "Evano oruvan" from the movie alaipayuthe ...and i guess "Evano Oruvan" is based on Keeravani...
(probability of me being wrong is quite high ;-)
- From: IR (@ 4.64.205.10)
on: Thu Apr 11 07:41:52 EDT 2002
Sindhuja - well done :-) naan pesa ninaippadhellam neenga explain paNNIteenga - precisely :-)
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