Topic started by Vijay (@ 212.137.205.127) on Thu Nov 16 16:58:22 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.
I'd like to request amateur composers who visit this page to tell me if they've uploaded any of their work onto the internet and if they have, please tell me where I can listen to it. Thank You.
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- From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4)
on: Fri Feb 23 17:32:54 EST 2001
Yeah..preamps, especially tubed, do make quite a difference. I have used it not with microphones but with my stereo systems. I also have pure silver interconnects. Wires do make quite a difference. A balanced one will be good.
- From: comment (@ 63.226.194.166)
on: Fri Feb 23 17:36:09 EST 2001
kiru is right, cables are very very important.
I was getting hiss/hum for quite sometime from my mixer, finally found out the cable was the problem, replaced it with a good cable ($20-$40), hiss vanished.
- From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254)
on: Fri Feb 23 17:40:34 EST 2001
My 2 cents;
Most importantly, when you buy these little, sensitive components check twice whether it contains a Made in China seal. 50% of things I buy from Wal-mart doesn't last long.
- From: comment (@ 63.226.194.166)
on: Fri Feb 23 17:54:46 EST 2001
flifo, these are not found in wal-mart,
guitar center is the best place or musiciansfriend.com.
A good tube based preamp is about $499, try dbx. its got a compressor/limitor buit on to it.
very good output. Many pros use it here.
(i have one too:)
- From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10)
on: Fri Feb 23 17:55:44 EST 2001
fliflo: you don't buy these things in walmart :-)
naveen: yAdhOn ki bArAth is very good. the difference is very palpable. once you consolidate your "gadgets", you should release all your "interpretations" of the ifm classics in a cd (after a little bit of polishing).
- From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4)
on: Fri Feb 23 18:25:47 EST 2001
My cable/interconnect costs $225 new !!!. I bought it used for $150. XLR/balanced cables are better than RCA. Maybe shielded RCA might be little better. If you guys can solder I can point to some DIY recipes. Also, do not mix using headphone. Monitor speakers are the way to go. I have seen pictures of IR with headphones. Maybe he was mixing with that. That will explain the low levels of bass/treble in his mixes.
Re: reverb/echo. I think IR has used these with vocals to a very effect in very early movies (way before ARR). I think Johnny has some songs like that.
- From: comment (@ 63.226.194.166)
on: Fri Feb 23 18:33:44 EST 2001
kiru, imho, more than speakers, monitor headphones are better. Sony has a great headphone monitor, costs around $200+, it the best.
many SE use headphones these days. I have worked few people here they all prefer head phones monitors.
however, the Final mix should be heard atleast once with a monitor speaker, then make a cd and play it in a domestic sound system like aiwa. we will get the exact picture then.
Even "nalai namathe" had delays, guitar delays were used. Delay based on BPM was rare or not used at all.
- From: comment (@ 63.226.194.166)
on: Fri Feb 23 18:37:56 EST 2001
kiru. $250 for cable is a overkill :)
I have a 24 track (250*24=average desi salary in the us:).. I would rather add couple of sound modules for that money :), $40 mono 1/4 inch mix-cables are really good with , It will work out cheaper if you go for snakes - 8x8 to 16x16
- From: Naveen (@ 205.188.195.28)
on: Fri Feb 23 23:30:55 EST 2001
yes Kiru. Condenser Mics are expensive. Each mic costed around $400, cables $25 + $25, preamp + RCA cable: $240, Mic stands $35 + $35. Total comes around $1200.
Comment,
I'll probably go for a good pre amp later. Right now this pre amp is OK. It has phantom power and it is a dual preamp (stereo). Noise is less.
Swamiji,
idrive is working fine now. Just now I played & uploaded 'Do Re Mi' song. 80% of this piano version is my Mama's (uncle's) idea & 20% is mine.
I played this song holding many notes (fat chords)
This is one of the best ways to test the resolution of piano. Shure Mics are really good. I can distinguish the notes in my computer speaker itself. May be it may sound better in your speakers. I added artificial reverb too.
I may play this song in 'Symphony in Bloom' (Flower Show)
- From: Aditya (@ 24.4.252.137)
on: Sat Feb 24 13:40:56 EST 2001
Swamiji and Comment:
Can you please comment on Korg Triton Series in the following areas:
- Sampler
- Sound Quality
- For a Live Program
- Music Workstation.
- Classical Instrument.
I am planning to buy KORG Triton Pro. Thanks for your time and help
Regards,
Aditya
- From: comment (@ 63.226.194.166)
on: Sat Feb 24 15:16:45 EST 2001
1. sampler is good with 16mb of ram, can play samples up 80secs. sampling possible has 2 inputs that can be routed to efx processor. Time strecth/time slice can be done a sample, wav editing possible. Reads wav and tiff files only.
should save the samples in a floppy.
2. Sound quality is great for sax,flute, brass, strings,guitar, phat sounds, drum kits, the piano is not so great, but the additional rom card has a some great pianos. However i rarely use factory patches in recording, i try to modify the original sounds.
3. Can be used for live shows , however we can do more in a studio.
4. Great work station., very easy use interface.
5. Yes the additional sounds card have lots of original sounds.
Regarding triton-pro-X, they have weighted keys, they are not so great. if you are a piano player you might like it, but playing a sax riff with weighted keys is somewhat heavy for fingers.
The triton is about 2000, pro is about 2300 (just for one more octave) pro-x is about 3000)
all the 3 models are same in functionality.
Apart from this, it has a great sequencer,
overall if you know have had work station experience this is the best of the lot, the touch screen interface is simple smooth and great.
Has 4 outputs apart from Left/right.
any sound/efx can be routed to any of the output.
Sound efx are simply excellent, they can be used on external inputs also.
Apart from pitch pender there is slider. any midi event like volume, picthbend, after touch can be assigned to this.
btw; korg has a new work station out , called as korg-karma, karma is new technology of sound creation, check korg.com for more details.
but i prefer triton, great instrument.
if you have any questions email me at studio1234@hotmail.com
- From: Aditya (@ 24.4.252.137)
on: Sat Feb 24 16:10:20 EST 2001
comment:
Thanks for your Comments. Can you please point out which one of your compositions on your mp3 site have been made with Triton. Did you create any new sounds with Triton sampler and used in any of your compositions? This will clarify about the Triton capabilities in general.
Once again thanks for your explanation.
Regards,
Aditya
- From: comment (@ 63.226.194.166)
on: Sat Feb 24 16:37:41 EST 2001
, an artist should not reveal his "sound" source, I have 5 sound modules apart from triton,i use all of them. (since you are so interetesed, check the cart song, check the dholak kind of sound, i have used triton and a real dholak player, also majority of strings in the the agni piece is from triton.
- From: Aditya (@ 24.4.252.137)
on: Sat Feb 24 16:55:18 EST 2001
Comment:
Once again thank for your Information on Korg.
I did not ask about your Sound Source. I am interested only in Triton and it's Sampler. Since you do some indian Music, I wanted to know how Triton stands in such a scenario. Hope it's clear.
BTW, all the songs on your mp3 site sounds very nice. looks like Triton is a great instrument.
Regards,
Aditya
- From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201)
on: Sun Feb 25 15:52:18 EST 2001
Sorry, I didnt add much on the Triton. Comment has explained it all. I havent really gone further than using an external sequencer to play/record songs. I need to experiment with sampling/playing around with effects, route different effects to a contoller etc...these are some of the things that a Triton can do.
Yesterday I connected the guitar through Audio input and routed it thro MFX1 L/R. The delays sound horrible but the other effects worked well.
I am playing the bass for the show on saturday...planning to add stereo compressor to it...make it sound with punch i guess...
- From: comment (@ 63.225.172.16)
on: Mon Feb 26 03:29:48 EST 2001
swamiji, try more with delays, there are excellent delays in triton. You need to understand the efx to use it properly else it will simply kill a good mix. I know you can.
Compressor, this the most confusing thing in recording, if anyone is intereted i can explain some basics of compression which i learnt over a period of time. Sound really improves becomes real nice and tight. We can use it on Tabla, drum, vocals, bass.
The triton's compressor is ok, I use a dbx and at times use my roland vmm mixer, it has a dual compressor.
- From: Rajni (@ 203.173.139.36)
on: Mon Feb 26 05:02:33 EST 2001
Don't visit Tamil Cinema 4 U site. The copy everything from http://www.movies-tamil.com
- From: Rajni (@ 203.173.139.36)
on: Mon Feb 26 05:02:56 EST 2001
Don't visit Tamil Cinema 4 U site. The copy everything from http://www.movies-tamil.com
- From: Aditya (@ 160.231.1.20)
on: Tue Feb 27 08:56:12 EST 2001
Comment:
Please can you enlighten what is the job of compressor in recording?
Thanks,
Aditya
- From: Aditya (@ 160.231.1.20)
on: Tue Feb 27 08:57:32 EST 2001
Comment:
Also explain about efx and Delays.
Thanks,
Aditya
- From: rjay (@ 206.150.228.62)
on: Tue Feb 27 15:35:12 EST 2001
Aditya,
Here a good description of a compressor.
It compresses the dynamic range of the sound,
by limiting the high volumes and boosting the low
volume signals.
To make this clear: Assume you record your
guitarist and he plays very quietly during some
portions and very loudly at some portions. If that
effect was intended and is going to be played solo, you can leave it at that.
However if you had to mix it with other accompaniment, this bizzare level jumps will
cause a problem, his sounds will be lost during the
quiet sections and other times he will overdominate.
Manual Solution: Grab the volume knob of your mixer
and keep it going up and down as you are mixing.
Imagine how difficult this will be.
Electronic solution: The compressor detects
the levels and instant by instant applies a
multiplication factor to the signal so that the
high values (12 db eg) are compressed down to
say 6 db and the low values (-6 db) are boosted
up to say 2 dB.
In a compressor you specify threshold (above which the signal should not go) and also a compression ratio (how much you want the signal to be compressed down to - 12db->6dB is a 2:1 ration)
While compressing you may lose the sharp attacks (quick rise of waveform levels) so some
compressors allow you to specify an attack time to
preserve these.
Good software plug-ins are available, though
I have not used it until now. Comment I am
sure can give more practical knowledge.
- From: rjay (@ 206.150.228.62)
on: Tue Feb 27 15:35:28 EST 2001
Aditya,
Here a short description of a compressor.
It compresses the dynamic range of the sound,
by limiting the high volumes and boosting the low
volume signals.
To make this clear: Assume you record your
guitarist and he plays very quietly during some
portions and very loudly at some portions. If that
effect was intended and is going to be played solo, you can leave it at that.
However if you had to mix it with other accompaniment, this bizzare level jumps will
cause a problem, his sounds will be lost during the
quiet sections and other times he will overdominate.
Manual Solution: Grab the volume knob of your mixer
and keep it going up and down as you are mixing.
Imagine how difficult this will be.
Electronic solution: The compressor detects
the levels and instant by instant applies a
multiplication factor to the signal so that the
high values (12 db eg) are compressed down to
say 6 db and the low values (-6 db) are boosted
up to say 2 dB.
In a compressor you specify threshold (above which the signal should not go) and also a compression ratio (how much you want the signal to be compressed down to - 12db->6dB is a 2:1 ration)
While compressing you may lose the sharp attacks (quick rise of waveform levels) so some
compressors allow you to specify an attack time to
preserve these.
Good software plug-ins are available, though
I have not used it until now. Comment I am
sure can give more practical knowledge.
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