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A request to amateur composers who visit this page

Topic started by Vijay (@ 212.137.205.127) on Thu Nov 16 16:58:22 EST 2000.
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I'd like to request amateur composers who visit this page to tell me if they've uploaded any of their work onto the internet and if they have, please tell me where I can listen to it. Thank You.

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Some composers to check out (in no particular order): Jay, Srikanth, Ganesh, Eswar, Sridhar Seetharaman, Kumar, Rjay. Vishwesh Obla

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• From: Aditya (@ 68.62.104.191) on: Fri Aug 23 18:36:48 EDT 2002
  
  Kishmu/Swamiji -> I see a more balanced/matured person. Marriage changes people for better - Just Kidding.
  
  
  Srikanth and Mahesh! Good Luck in developing a stream of career in music that is not necessarily with Films.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Srik (@ 209.130.217.104) on: Mon Aug 26 13:28:26 EDT 2002
  
  guys,
  Recently we celebrated Indain Independence in the center of learing,Pittsburgh.
  I had an oppurtunity to work on a track , the organizers wanted a song for the program,
  in about 3hrs I got this track out, this was performed live.
  
  
  Vocals by Ramgopal (Pittsburgh). Backgrounds Recorded in my studio. The base tune was adpated from a classical song. Vocals over dubbed later using sm58, I will however have one more vocal session using RodeNT.
  you can Download the Preview here :
  http://www.srikanthd.com/demo/bha_mix1.mp3
  
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.4.168) on: Mon Aug 26 16:31:44 EDT 2002
  
  Hi Srik
  good to hear from you after long time.
  The first thing about this song is the voice,
  Ramgopal has a very nice and strong vocal chords. :) and a nice tune based on DESH,there was also nice 'chendai' beats,how did you do that man ?! :)
  considering the time constraint you have done a good job.
  Some thoughts hope you dont mind
  In some place the harmonies though nice,sounded out of place,its better without them.
  peace.......
  
  
  
• From: Jay. (@ 209.10.124.134) on: Mon Aug 26 16:45:57 EDT 2002
  
  Srikanth, Nice song. I think this song would have been much better if the mix was done right so that it sounds "full". the right side panning on the beats really needs to be taken off.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Mon Aug 26 18:20:49 EDT 2002
  
  This is the first time I am hearing Srikanth do a song in this style.It is pretty mainstream. The song is very pleasant and easy to listen to .. I I too feel the beats could have been centered so that you can make use of the bass power of both the speakers. Especially, with this kind of orchestration..many instruments need to be more forward (less reverb), the levels could be done as per taste ..well the whole mixing thing is very subjective..Good work.
  
  
• From: Srik (@ 151.201.28.114) on: Mon Aug 26 19:30:32 EDT 2002
  
  kiru how are u? thanks for the comments.
  
  This was mixed in this way for a special acoustic purpose, this program was held in the center for learning in unversity of pittsburgh, it is an old cathedral, so too of much natural reverb, just 30 mins before the show, i started to mix this and we panned few instruments to make it sound better in that enviroment,
  also it is mixed basically for a 5.1 hence some instruments are hard panned., however I will do a stereo mix.
  It was fun composing and mixing this at a great speed. Backgrounds are very interesting, like I have used thavil as my main percussion.
  
  uv, for harmonies I used minor 5th, yes it does sound out of place in the after math,
  however during live i was able to pan this to rear speakers made people turn back to see who was singing thanks for the comments, i will be trimming it out
  what ever, it feels very good to do music after a long time :):)
  
  
• From: Aditya (@ 160.231.5.196) on: Tue Aug 27 09:52:51 EDT 2002
  
  Srikanth:
  
  I liked it. Before I come up with my expressions in the form of comments, I am curious to know which classical song was formed as a basis for the tune.
  
  Regards,
  Aditya
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.4.168) on: Tue Aug 27 10:35:31 EDT 2002
  
  Srik, you said you have used Tavil, ButI also heard something that sounded like Chendai vathiyam,it was very good though.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Wed Aug 28 13:55:16 EDT 2002
  
  Srikanth..5.1 huh ? Getting ready to do movies ? :)
  BTW, I was listening to a CD given to me by a friend - Chesky Ultimate Demonstration Disc. This CD has a narration of what is good in each of the following tracks like - depth, focus, soundstaging, naturalness, rhythm & pace etc. It has good music as well, including some choir recordings in a cathedral. On some tracks - the recording arrangement is also explained, for eg. trumpet right of center, 10 ft from the mic etc etc.
  All you composers who sound engineer your own albums owe it to yourself to hear this CD, to get a reference to what quality recording is.
  There is also similar recordings from Stereophile, I think.
  Check out www.chesky.com or www.sterephile.com.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Wed Aug 28 13:56:14 EDT 2002
  
  ..that was www.stereophile.com
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Wed Aug 28 14:00:16 EDT 2002
  
  UV..are you referring to something like in sundari neeyum song ?
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.4.168) on: Wed Aug 28 14:18:57 EDT 2002
  
  Yes very much
  
  
• From: Aditya (@ 68.62.104.191) on: Wed Aug 28 22:57:00 EDT 2002
  
  Hello Guys:
  
  http://mywebpages.comcast.net/vijayaditya/Halloween-HipHopTheme.mp3
  
  Please listen to this one and let me know your feedback on quality of the recording and Mix.
  
  Regards,
  Aditya
  
  
• From: Aditya (@ 68.62.104.191) on: Wed Aug 28 23:00:33 EDT 2002
  
  Vocals shall be added soon on these tracks...
  
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  Trick or Treat, Trick or Treat,
  Trick or Treat we Say!
  Try to get the treats before
  The Ghosts Takes us Away
  
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• From: Aditya (@ 68.62.104.191) on: Wed Aug 28 23:02:53 EDT 2002
  
  Vocals shall be added soon on these tracks...
  
  Kids are going to sing this soon...
  First time i am going to record some Vocal Harmonies and vocals...it boils down to Bilahari ragam to me.
  
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  Trick or Treat, Trick or Treat,
  Trick or Treat we Say!
  Try to get the treats before
  The Ghosts Takes us Away
  
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• From: Aditya (@ 68.62.104.191) on: Thu Aug 29 07:30:02 EDT 2002
  
  hello guys:
  
  Listen to Orchestral Hamsadhwani as it's Western Scale Equivalent and Changes...
  
  http://mywebpages.comcast.net/vijayaditya/OrchestralHamsadhwani.mp3
  
  Regards,
  Aditya
  
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.4.168) on: Thu Aug 29 13:14:11 EDT 2002
  
  Aditya will listen and let you know.
  Meanwhile guys I want to ask you all about
  Rhythm Guitar ?
  whats its use
  ofcourse in indian film music i really wonder MDs use it at all,expect for a few like IR(who himself is a rhythm guitarist).
  Ofcourse in Rock we have lots of them
  The one song I can recollect is Dire Straits 'Sultans of Swing' have you guys heard of it and one more song of Van halen couldnt recollect but have some amazing rhythm guitar section
  thanks guys
  UV
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.4.168) on: Fri Aug 30 09:28:22 EDT 2002
  
  Guys
  Guitarist Prasanna and another guitarist Jayanth has answered my quetion regarding rhythm guitar
  and its role in a rock concert and in Indian film music.
  I am reproducing their replies here
  Jayanth says "
  Dear Ganesh,
  I will leave the bit about the importance of the rhythm guitar for Prasanna to answer, but about rhythm guitaring in Indian film music...Its an age old thing. There's tons of musicians who have used it. Starting from O.P.Nayyar, almost every single Hindi music director was in love with it, save R.D.Burman. R.D. did use a lot of rhythm guitar as well, but he used it in a way that made it seem less obvious. He often used funky passages and rhythm guitars with a lot of wah.
  In contemporary film music, you'll find a lot of A.R.Rahman tunes for instance that have rhythm guitaring in it(in a subtle manner somewhere or the other). Check out "Madrasai Suthi Pakka Poren" from May Matham for an outstanding example of wonderful rhythm guitaring. Rhythm guitar serves as a great coloring tool, when you want a complete harmonic sound, but with a rhythmic quality. I dont know too many instruments that can be used in this manner. The guitar is unique in that sense. But you are right and Illaiyaraja used it extensively."-Jayanth
  
  Prasanna said
  "Dear Ganesh,
  To me, the term 'rhythm guitar' itself is rather blurred because its understood that the guitar is a harmonic instrument along with its proven rhythmic potential. Its like the piano in that sense (Interestingly, We don't use terms like 'rhythm pianist' or 'lead pianist'!). In short, every guitar player should and will end up playing both rhythm and lead. Bass guitar in my view is a whole separate instrument both in function and scope.
  Having said that, in a rock n' roll situation, the term 'rhythm guitarist' acquires a certain meaning because of the driving force it can be and justifiably so, since its part of the rhythm section (along with bass and drums and sometimes piano) anyway.
  
  One of my favorite rock guitar players Pete Townshend looks at himself more as a rhythm guitarist. In jazz, we hardly use the term rhythm guitar and instead use the term 'comping' to describe chordal accompaniment.
  
  Illayaraja's music is filled with rhythm guitar so much that the distinction between 'rhythm guitar' and 'lead guitar' has to be made just like in rock n' "
  
  
  
  Ganesh(UV)
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Fri Aug 30 13:24:05 EDT 2002
  
  UV,
  IR is very heavily influenced by rock music. He uses this idiom to do rhythmic/popular songs. Prasanna says that in IR's music rhythm guitar and lead distinctions have to be made. I will add that the lead guitar's place in many songs is taken up by flute or other instruments. For eg. in ooroorama song in idhayakovil, the lead guitar plays in the prelude to set the feel, but later trumpets and vocals play similar role. I think this is IRs interpretation of rock. By making the instruments more strident and changing the voices, it can pass for real stuff in any rock concert, I think. Also, notice how the trumpets help the transition from the interlude to the vocals. I am pretty sure this song would have been easily ignored by many as another 'gramathu song'.
  Listen to Simon and Garfunkel, to notice where IR comes from.
  (I dont mean to digress on IR, but after hearing mugangal album, and seeing your question, I am tempted to share some thoughts on rock in TFM)
  
  
• From: Sam (@ 132.235.229.90) on: Mon Sep 2 16:35:05 EDT 2002
  
  I have read that IR is a classical guitarist. Are there any songs which show this aspect??
  
  Was it 2 or 3 guitars that were used in July Maadham or just one guitar played over itself?
  
  Did u hear the intro for the song Priya priyatama from telugu movie Killer? Bit of plucking, then a bit of strumming and then a bit playing arpeggios.
  
  In my opinion, IR excelled in bass guitar rather than in rhythm guitar. Though u may not find too much of techniques like slapping, they excel simply for their compositional values. I think he wrote for bass guitar the way one would write counterpoints. For instance in the song Prema Ledani from the telugu movie Abhinandana (I think it is Nalam En.. in tamil), the pallavi looks very much like a an exercise in Species counterpoint.
  
  It seems to me that his bass scores are for the dual purpose of providing harmony and a melody which can stand on its own, one characteristic that is very much different from our other composers'. Like that song Ninnu Kori Varnam. If u take the bass score for the lines "Ninnu kori varnam, varnam" the bass gives an almost note by note harmony to chitra (when taken at a time), and when taken as a whole, one more melody. One thing to notice here, the melody by chitra is in a pentatonic scale (avoiding the Ma note), but the bass guitar conveniently plays that note. I think the reason might have been to avoid the bass staying on one note (either Ga or Pa, depending on the movement of the chitra's melody) for a longer period. (Interestingly, harmony for Vellai Pookal song is in this fashion, song is in a pentatonic scale, avoiding Ma note, but the harmony uses that note conveniently).
  
  Another example is the bass playing counter for the piano in the intro of Sangeetha megam, there also it seems to me that bass is serving a dual purpose. One more example is the song Edhedho Ennam .The closest song (by another composer with bass in this style) I can recall now is Sambo Sambo. There might be others too.
  
  Interestingly, the bass for opening lines of Ninnu Kori seem to follow parallel motion, while the bass for opening lines of Edhedho Ennam seem to follow contrary motion.
  
  Seems like we need not always look to WCM examples to teach ourselves, when we have one within our reach.
  
  

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