Topic started by Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.187) on Sat Jul 21 10:47:57 EDT 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.
I just heard it in news. A great ICon has passed way.
Lets pay homage here.
A Tribute from TFM Page: http://sivaji.newtfmpage.com
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- From: Anand (@ dhcp221-bodine.bridgeport.edu)
on: Mon Jul 30 01:49:35 EDT 2001
Hearty thanks to those responsible for setting up this site. There are a couple of facutal errors, though. The song "Kalyaanam kalyaanam" sung by Chandrababu is from the movie "Penn" and Sivaji is not even in the song. So this song is not appropriate in this category, though fantastic in it's own right...
- From: Peter Pan (@ 209.177.206.90)
on: Mon Jul 30 18:33:26 EDT 2001
Bombay stands up for Shivaji!
At last!
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?catkey=536583627&art_id=307811152&sType=1
However IMO, Sunil Dutt seems to take credit for something that the Tamil Sangam in Bombay initiated!!!
- From: a.a. (@ hse-toronto-ppp269304.sympatico.ca)
on: Mon Jul 30 22:24:19 EDT 2001
Hats off to the people responsible creating this tribute site. What an incredible job.
One more singer who lent voice for Sivaji comes to mind. I think his name is Varma, but not sure. Remember the song `Nee varavillaiyenil aatharavethu' in the movie `Mangayar Thilagam'?
A.M.Rajah is not a rare voice for him. Between C.S.Jayaraman and TMS he sang most of the songs for him. Some movies I remember are:
Anbu, Manohara, Thirumbi Paar, Vanangamudi, Kalyanam Pannium Bramachari, Kodeeswaran?, Vidivelli, Illara Jothi, Amara Theepam...
Never mind who sings for him, when you watch his movies you always think that Sivaji himself sings those songs. Extra ordinary talent.
- From: PPP group (@ ool-18be2def.dyn.optonline.net)
on: Tue Jul 31 00:37:51 EDT 2001
The song "nee varavillaiyenil" in Mangayar thilakam was sung by Sathyam.
- From: sundar (@ 203.197.144.217)
on: Tue Jul 31 00:43:26 EDT 2001
why are we only pointing fingers at bollywood stars for not paying tributes to sivaji.
What about the pampered ARR ? he was neither seen along with all the VIPs who visited and paid homages before or during the funeral nor has given any condolence message.
Perhaps to those who think ARR is the last word for humility this will be an eye opener.
- From: NagaS (@ 202.169.188.186)
on: Tue Jul 31 03:01:19 EDT 2001
Sundar,
I don't think you can blame ARR for that., If you want to do - add Karthik Raja, Yuvan Shankar Raja, S A Rajkumar etc., etc., also ... I don't remember reading anything about them in sivaji's funeral.
Simple logic is, ARR (& other MDs above) didn't work with Sivaji, So probably he is silent. That doesn't mean he is insulting / ignoring Sivaji's contribution to TF / TFM.
IR's case is different - I understand IR shared a personal - family relationship with sivaji and Sivaji was one of the heros' who helped IR in his early days.
BTW, What happened to Deva who MDed atleast three Sivaji movies ?
NagaS
- From: NagaS (@ 202.169.188.186)
on: Tue Jul 31 03:02:32 EDT 2001
Oops,
Forgot this,
ARR worked for Sivaji's last movie - Padayappa!!
Sorry :-(
NagaS
- From: Peter Pan (@ 209.177.206.90)
on: Tue Jul 31 10:11:38 EDT 2001
Here's Kamal's tribute to the legend in the Outlook Magazine:
http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20010806&fname=Appraisal+%28F%29&sid=1
- From: Balaji (@ mc29-198.dialin.k-state.net)
on: Tue Jul 31 13:42:28 EDT 2001
Kamal's tribute (a diff.version) also appeared in THE WEEK online edition.
- From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183)
on: Tue Jul 31 13:44:53 EDT 2001
>>> sundar
Shall we start a thread "MY ARR insulted SG in his funeral".
We can invent new ways to bash ARR.
Lets not mind about others who have not alledgely come. ARR is the target...so go at him.
- From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com)
on: Tue Jul 31 16:28:20 EDT 2001
sundar,
how sure are you that ARR did not pay tribute to sivaji? Are you saying this because his name did not figure in any of the media.
FYI, Sivakumar was the actor that was shattered and wept the most it seems and I didnt see his name in most of the media!
- From: UVII (@ 63.225.17.254)
on: Tue Jul 31 16:34:47 EDT 2001
Nagas:
Karthik Raaja was there to pay homage to Sivaji. Check out this.
http://www.webulagam.com/photofeatures/images/2001_07/shivaji/shivf12.jpg
- From: haris (@ inet-netcache1-o.oracle.com)
on: Tue Jul 31 18:33:43 EDT 2001
avan vandhAn.. ivan pOnAnnu.. unga pangAli chandaya vEra thread-la vechikkalAmE..
yEdhAvadhu nalladhu solla mudinjA sollunga.. alladhu indha thread-a izhuthu moodunga..
- From: Normal Man (@ p0016c50.us.kpmg.com)
on: Tue Jul 31 20:38:59 EDT 2001
NagaS ---> Padayappa was not Sivaji's last movie. It was "pooparikka varugirom"
- From: sabesan (@ adsl-64-163-214-10.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)
on: Tue Jul 31 22:09:26 EDT 2001
NM - or was "Mannavaru CHinaavaru" Sivaji's last movie ?
- From: RR (@ krdlfirewall.krdl.org.sg)
on: Wed Aug 1 03:26:32 EDT 2001
Sivaji's last movie was 'poopparikka varugirom'.
- From: NagaS (@ 202.169.188.186)
on: Wed Aug 1 03:57:42 EDT 2001
RR,
you are sure ? I thought Padayappa was his last movie, I saw a program in SunTV where they said 'Sivaji - Parasakthi muthal Padayappa varai' or something like that !
NagaS
- From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.94.115)
on: Wed Aug 1 04:14:52 EDT 2001
Pooparika varukirom, Mannavaru Chinnavaru and One more Kasthoori Raja Movie came before padayappa. Padayappa is the last movie sivaji acted.
- From: RR (@ krdlfirewall.krdl.org.sg)
on: Wed Aug 1 04:47:59 EDT 2001
NagaS & G.Ragavan: the release dates were
Mannavaru chinnavaru - Jan 99
Padayappa - Apr 99
Poopparikka varugirom - Sep 99
okayaa? :)
- From: NagaS (@ 202.169.188.186)
on: Wed Aug 1 05:17:11 EDT 2001
Thanks RR.,
That means - for almost two years, Sivaji didn't accept any movies, What could be the reason ?
Looks like Bala approached him for Nandha - for a villanic role, Before Sivaji accepted it, He gave that news to all magazines, 'sivaji acting as villan'., He was upset on this ('piLLaingakittee keettu solRaennu sonnaen, AthukkuLLa ippadi oorellaam thambattam adichchuttaanung' :-) and turned down his offer. (He later booked 'Rajkran' for that role)
May be - antha kasappaalthaan he didn't accept any other movies !
NagaS
- From: shamli (@ 210.186.29.14)
on: Thu Aug 2 10:18:26 EDT 2001
HOW ARE YOU?
- From: s (@ 210.186.29.14)
on: Thu Aug 2 10:19:10 EDT 2001
I LIKE YOU?
- From: sk (@ corals-ext.nus.edu.sg)
on: Fri Aug 3 22:06:53 EDT 2001
Pal, pg, eden & others:
Thanks for the nice comments about the anjali page.
We are constantly updating the page as we get
more material and spare time to do the work.
Only during the preparation of the page did we
intensely feel the great variety of roles that
this wonderful actor has done with a lot of care.
In one of the books on Tamil Films the following
is mentioned:
amerikkAviluLLa oru palkalaik kazagaththil 'thillAnA mOganAmbAL'
thiraippadam angu padikkum mANavargaLukku indrum, nAdhaSvarak kalai,
baradha nAttiyak kalai patri aRindhu koLLa pAdamAgak kANpikkappadugiRathu
Does anyone have more detailed info on this?
- From: GV (@ hse-london-ppp195692.sympatico.ca)
on: Mon Aug 6 08:45:03 EDT 2001
Photo Gallery:
http//www.hinduonnet/thehindu/gallery/sg/sg000.htm
- From: GV (@ hse-london-ppp195692.sympatico.ca)
on: Mon Aug 6 08:46:23 EDT 2001
http://www.hinduonnet/thehindu/gallery/sg/sg000.htm
- From: GV (@ hse-london-ppp195692.sympatico.ca)
on: Mon Aug 6 08:51:22 EDT 2001
Try this:
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/gallery/sg/sg000.htm
- From: Neels (@ 209.177.206.90)
on: Mon Aug 6 11:56:59 EDT 2001
That reminds me, Sarika Kamal Haasan was making a documentary on Sivaji many years ago. It received lot of media attention once.. I wonder what happend to that?
- From: rf (@ spider-tq052.proxy.aol.com)
on: Tue Aug 7 01:00:56 EDT 2001
What a tribute to the greatest actor and one of the great Tamilians that we all know of:
______________________________________________
The legend lives on...
Sivaji Ganesan's Photo Gallery
Sivaji Ganesan's voice and diction not only changed the course of dialogue delivery in Tamil films and plays, but also had a deep impact in the manner in which the language is spoken by narrators on Radio and Television. This is perhaps the most impressive contribution of the thespian, observes Dr. S. KRISHNASWAMY.
ALTHOUGH WE are constantly aware that we are all mere mortals, we are unable to reconcile with the mortality of some people. ``Sivaji'' Ganesan is one such - an immortal in our minds.
``Long live Bharathan....'' blessed Rajaji, after the film ``Sampoorna Ramayanam'' was screened for him. Sivaji Ganesan had performed the role of Bharatan. Those brief words of Rajaji, who rarely watched films, were unconsciously pregnant with identical ideas of film historians and researchers on Tamil Cinema. ``In the desert of Tamil films, an actor by name Sivaji Ganesan is an oasis'', I had said, in my article on Tamil films for an American arts magazine in the 1970s. Earlier, Erik Barnouw and I, in the first edition of our book ``Indian Film'' (1963), had commented, ``Seldom has substantial talent been used more recklessly or profitably''. A world-class actor remained a regional star, essentially because the ethos of Tamil Cinema was never in the wavelength of world cinema - celebrated as the Seventh Art. But even a diehard enthusiast of realism in films, had to sit up and watch Sivaji. That one hand gesture of Bharatan, meaning ``lets go'', in ``Sampoorna Ramayanam'' is not merely etched in my memory, but has been adapted, and re-enacted by a hundred film actors, and even classical dancers on stage.
It was often worth spending the nearly three hours watching immature story lines and inept directorial handling, to experience those sparks of true genius of an inimitable actor - Sivaji. His performance was stylised - drawing from the immeasurable depth of India's racial memory of many millennia, from artistes of ancient Tamil and Sanskrit Theatre. This was often erroneously described or even criticised as ``over- acting''. Well, if your theme is melodrama, your performance has to match it. But Sivaji Ganesan's range and immense versatility, did not confine him to this stylised performance alone. He could challenge any actor of the realistic school, when the need, the story and character demanded it. His career's best performance (in my opinion) as V. O. Chidamabaram Pillai in ``Kappalottiya Thamizhan'', puts him on a pedestal among the all-time- greats of world cinema, as an actor. The biographical, which was well researched, gave him the scope to re-create the ambience, maintaining the integrity of character - the realistic human side of a great patriot of the Freedom Struggle.
In contrast however, many fans remember him for his melodramatic portrayal of Kattabomman. Although made by the same creative team which was responsible for the suave, artistic and authentic ``Kappalottiya Thamizhan'', ``Veerapandiya Kattabomman'' was historically far from accurate. It was more like a costume drama or a mythological. Sivaji's performance was in tune with that treatment. Even today, nearly four decades after the release of the film, when enthusiastic parents bring their children for audition to perform in our TV serials, the boys invariably deliver Sivaji's dialogue from ``Veerapandiya Kattabomman'' to demonstrate their histrionics. Sivaji Ganesan's voice and Tamil diction not only changed the course of dialogue delivery in Tamil films and plays, but also had a deep impact in the manner in which Tamil is spoken by narrators on Radio and Television.
Unique among the film styles of the world, song sequences in our films constitute an inheritance from ancient Indian theatre. There was indeed, no one to beat Sivaji in ``rendering'' the songs. Never for a moment would you feel that he was lip-wagging for the playback singer, since his gestures and mannerisms were emotive manifestations of consummate skill, artistry and flair, unlikely to be matched even by original singers.
Apart from the infrequent courtesy calls, I have had the privilege of talking in-depth to ``Nadigar Thilakam'' - as his fans reverentially called him - three times. First was my hour- long interview for the first edition of ``Indian Film'', in 1962; the second in the 1970s for a Bombay-based film magazine and the third for an American Academic journal in the 1980s. He has sometimes been described as one constantly wearing an actor's mask - that he conversed as though he was delivering a dialogue. On the contrary, at least some parts of my interactions with him revealed a simple, transparent personality. For instance, soon after his return from his first trip abroad (to America as an invited guest of that Government), I asked him ``How was America?'' He first said, ``You have studied there. What am I going to tell you about America?''
``I mean your own reactions - how did you enjoy the visit?'' I asked.
With hardly a moment of hesitation there was a sincere answer. ``First I was struck with wonder. Then I was uncomfortable and felt embarrassed. Gradually, I felt very happy'', and then he expanded, ``The first impression of wonder was with the sights which were beyond what I had imagined. I was then uncomfortable because, I felt I was just another face in the crowd. Having got used to the attention of my people back in Tamil Nadu, it was a strange embarrassment to walk in crowded streets without anyone taking a second look at me. Gradually, I felt it meant at the same time, a rare liberty to be myself. And I enjoyed that''. It was candid, childlike and unpretentious.
In another session, I asked him ``Do you feel that you are not being used to your fullest potential, because of the limitations of Tamil cinema?''
``I can put it this way. I want to function as a fountain pen. My ambience expects me to perform as a pencil. Sometimes this results in my writing as a ball-point pen'' he described, in graphic terms.
In 1986, I was addressing The Washington Institute for Values in the US Capital, on the subject ``Culture As Political Phenomena''. In the small group of high profile audience, a senator, surprisingly well-informed about India, asked, ``Why is your great actor Sivaji Ganesan not politically successful like your M.G. Ramachandran?''.
I quoted from the narration of my biographical TV documentary on MGR. My narration says, ``The MGR Phenomenon was an amalgam of fact and fiction, dream and reality. The only archetype character he performed in all his films was of a hero who combined in himself the strength of a Hercules, the modernity of a James Bond and the love and compassion of a Jesus Christ''. The political value of this ingenious image is unparalleled in the history of media.
On the contrary, Sivaji Ganesan was the last word in versatility, performing any role of any shade - often that of a tragic hero, the self-pitying brother, the negative womaniser of ``Thirumbipaar'', the treacherous foreign spy of ``Andha Naal''.
He performed these different roles as a true artiste, interpreting every shade of character with ingenuity, involvement and ``finesse''. There was no fusion of an off-screen image and an on-screen image, to create a political mascot. Hence Sivaji Ganesan's attempt to build a political brand-equity failed. It was certainly a price worth paying - for he will be remembered as one of the greatest actors of modern India.
In my ``MGR Phenomenon'' I had said, ``Although MGR was an actor by accident, he was a mature politician by deliberate choice''. It will be equally true to say, ``Although Sivaji Ganesan stumbled into politics, he was a born actor par excellence - a thespian of whom India will be eternally proud''.
Dr. S. Krishnaswamy (who holds his M.A. & Ph.D. in films from Columbia University) makes documentary films and television serials. He is a historian of Indian Cinema and a Media Analyst.
- From: a.a. (@ hse-toronto-ppp259890.sympatico.ca)
on: Tue Aug 7 22:31:46 EDT 2001
Another rare voice for Sivaji:
He is Trichy Loganathan in the movie `Kalvanin Kathaly'. Song starts with a thohayara `Thetkathi Kallanada' and goes like `Thillalankady Thillalankady'. It's a therukoothu song with Sirkali Govindarajan. Sivaji's and T.R.Ramachandran's dialogues could be heard in between the song. The movie had two MD's, G.Naidu and Gantasala. I don't know who composed this song. In fact three different singers singing for Sivaji in this movie.
1. Gantasala (Veyyitketra Nizhalundu with Banumathi)
2. TMS (Manathil Uruthi vendum with Banumathi)
TMS's first duet with Banumathi, I guess.
3. Trichy Loganathan (Thetkathi Kallanada)
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