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IR'S experiments ..

Topic started by gundu (@ dot.icn.state.ia.us) on Tue Jun 27 21:56:32 EDT 2000.
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ob'ly ... not his expmnts. with ragas which must be in hundreds ... I am talking about more general and innovative experiments ...let me start in the thread ...

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• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Wed Jul 18 11:09:45 EDT 2001
  
  1) In IR's chemistry lab experiments results are
  Volumetric analysis = 16.2, 18.1 20.7
  Salt analysis = copper sulphate
  
  2)Physic lab experiments:
  Prism = 60 degrees
  TanB = .75321
  
  Computer Lab:
  
  1)IR's matrix transpose progream failed
  2) determinant of matrix passed :-)
  
  ellam soke(joke) thaaan!
  
  
• From: Krk (@ bangalore-cache-1.cisco.com) on: Wed Jul 18 11:45:31 EDT 2001
  
  Bharat,
  This is very much unwarranted, if you don't have
  anything to contribute please get out of this thread.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Wed Jul 18 13:03:26 EDT 2001
  
  Krk,
  
  are u the moderator! humor and levity r part of life. If u think u own this place to actually demand people to follow ur set of rules then u r the one who needs to be booted out!
  
  i have the right to post whatever i want. if u dont like it dont read it!(how u wud do that, after reading it! I dunno:-) )
  
  mind ur own business
  
  
• From: S T S (@ h56s105a83n47.user.nortelnetworks.com) on: Wed Jul 18 13:04:15 EDT 2001
  
  Shibu,
  
  You are talking about 'Prema Yaathuraikku Brundhaavanmu Nandavanamu Yetho' song. Vamsi said in one interview that he wanted IR to mix that song with his own composition. What a song! I am searching the web but could not. BTW Detective Nadadha had gem of songs (terribly wasted in the movie though).
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Wed Jul 18 13:15:16 EDT 2001
  
  One more similar type of experiment was done in another Vamsi's film Called "Sri Kanaka Mahalakshmi recording dance troup". As the name tells, this troup is a dancing troup which gives road shows dancing to old songs. Vamsi is known for his great innovation and experiments, Uses the old telugu songs, adds in between the original songs. That was too good from IR-Vamsi combo. Vamsi asked for it and IR gave it. SPB did an excellent job singing those songs.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ acbc5bfd.ipt.aol.com) on: Wed Jul 18 16:57:46 EDT 2001
  
  STS,
  those songs are in raaga-go to telugu-music directors-IR-page 4 of IR hits
  
  
• From: KS (@ sreekanth.wcom.com) on: Wed Jul 18 17:37:49 EDT 2001
  
  "Koththa pittaro koko.." from Detective Narada starts with an R&D based on kozhi saththam!!!:-))
  
  
• From: S T S (@ c1319060-a.stcla1.sfba.home.com) on: Wed Jul 18 22:05:53 EDT 2001
  
  Thanks Yaaro,
  
  Any mp3 site will be appreciated. I knew one www.telugump3.net (but not anymore)
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ atlwebproxy2.core.hp.com) on: Thu Jul 19 00:12:41 EDT 2001
  
  KS,one question:
  
  is the "Koththa pittaro koko.." from Detective Narada came in early 90s or before i.e even before thamizh's Seevalapaeri paandi? Seevalapaeri paandi came in early 90s, i think.
  
  Why i am asking is, in an interview the MD of Seevalapaeri paandi - Mr. Aadhityan claimed that he is the first MD to try a song with "natural" animal voice (or so).
  
  
• From: KS (@ sreekanth.wcom.com) on: Thu Jul 19 12:19:31 EDT 2001
  
  Kupps,
  Raajangahm says the yr. is 1992. IR has used natural animal voices even much before but most of the times he uses various instruments to mimic them.
  
  However, do we have any doubts about IR doing such things even before!!:-) Atleast, i'm sure he has done it before...using sounds that mimic dogs, cats, hens, donkeys, cuckoos etc. Most of the times it has been cuckoos, hens and donkeys (in that order if feel). In the album "Nothing But Wind", in the beginning of the piece "Nothing But Wind", he has synchronised the sounds of kozhi and kezhudhai which sound great...innoru chinna experiment!!!:-))
  
  
• From: KS (@ sreekanth.wcom.com) on: Thu Jul 19 12:20:58 EDT 2001
  
  if feel => i feel :-)
  
  
• From: S T S (@ c1319060-a.stcla1.sfba.home.com) on: Thu Jul 19 15:43:05 EDT 2001
  
  Kupps,
  
  Aadhiyan also stakes claim for Gaana songs. He should include remixes too in his patent list.
  
  
• From: venus (@ lsanca1-ar11-181-076.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net) on: Thu Jul 19 21:54:23 EDT 2001
  
  Recenly I was listening to the song "Valve ..Mayama...verum paniya...kadum" by sasirekha (after a very long time),from the silim "Gayathri".At the end of the second interlude there are two or three beats of miruthangam with echo effect.
  
  In the whole song, miruthankgam was not used as a percussion instrument anywhere. Could anybody (gurus) guess why only few beats just before the second stanza.
  
  Both the interludes just reflects the whole mood of the song. It's an amazing song.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ atlwebproxy1.core.hp.com) on: Fri Jul 20 01:15:37 EDT 2001
  
  i was listening to Oomai nenjin sondham idhu oru unmai sollum bandham from Manidhanin Marupakkam. Throughout the song mrithangam and one more stick like sound making instrument(sorry i don't know its name) were used as percussion support for the great voice of KJY. the use of mridhangam was peculiar and splendid. i have only a old mono-tape player, in that itself the usage was audible. all throughout the song mruthangam was having, what i say, "two tang tang sounding taeka" touch. thats all. wow it was splendid.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ acbe171c.ipt.aol.com) on: Fri Jul 20 19:33:21 EDT 2001
  
  first person to use stereo
  first person to utilise computer in music arrangements
  first md to effectively mix wcm with various indian music forms
  radically different use of chorus
  radically different approach to bgm
  if you look at individual musical efforts:
  use of a female voice to recite the vedas in vedha ganam
  experimental modern concerto in raajaparvai
  avarohanam only song and changing a thyagaraja song tune in sindhu bairavi
  first to use a proper symphony orchestra for bgm
  first md to do a solo recital in hard core classical concert
  first (and only) indian md who can write a complete musical piece straight from his mind onto paper!
  can anyone add to my list?
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ acbe171c.ipt.aol.com) on: Fri Jul 20 19:41:05 EDT 2001
  
  use of a chamber orchestra to play a thyagaraaja krithi(in how to name it)
  carnatic countermelody to a bach compostion(again HTNI)
  how did i forget them?
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ acbecc13.ipt.aol.com) on: Mon Jul 23 18:22:51 EDT 2001
  
  use of a completely unorthodox voice for a hit song for first time(anne anne..)
  made janaki sing as a child, oldie..
  spb's song in keladi kanmani..
  controversial use of maangalyam thandhunaanena -as a bgm in engeyo keeta kural-what a ruckus it created at that time!
  completely unorthodox tuning of bharathiyar songs for bharathi-including first time adaptation of a hitherto unheard song for first time(nirpadhuve..)
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ spider-loh-ta022.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Aug 17 12:14:43 EDT 2001
  
  in songs like kanmamiye kadhal enbadhu,
  en kanmani , songs from aalapana (telugu)-two trax of same singers singing at diffrent pitches are recorded and mixed to give a total effect.
  science fiction theme song in anjali.
  a song totally utilising only various types of percussion instruments for all the interludes(ilam nenje vaa..)
  therukkoothu song in kan sivandhal mann sivakkum(this ran for a full side of a lp record)
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Fri Aug 17 12:46:28 EDT 2001
  
  //"spb's song in keladi kanmani.. "//
  
  I remember IR's interview in DD and when asked abt "muchu vidamal paatu" he chuckled and said that spb had already sung such kind of a song in IR music and since that wasnt advt. no one knew abt it. That song was then played. Does any one remember that song. I forgot it!
  
  
• From: g mauruthi (@ 203.197.156.66) on: Fri Aug 17 12:49:01 EDT 2001
  
  I wonder about IR's experiment in Sundari Neeyum in Michel Madana kama Rajan
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Fri Aug 17 12:51:57 EDT 2001
  
  //"first person to use stereo
  first md to effectively mix wcm with various indian music forms
  "//
  
  Nope I think "avalukenna azhakiya mugam" was stereo song. I think MSV did stereo befoe. I also think "anna kili" was stereo.( i dunno if the cassttes were stereo then or gramaphone recds I will inquire though)
  
  
  #2 wcm also I guess was done by MSV. KB one of the reluctant convereters from MSV era to the IR era mentions this in his interview.
  
  //"first (and only) indian md who can write a complete musical piece straight from his mind onto paper!
  can anyone add to my list? "//
  
  yes! I have seen such a posting in this DF before.
  where is the evidence for this. Is it "kelvi gnanam " or is there any manifestation of this.
  
  
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Fri Aug 17 13:10:58 EDT 2001
  
  
  "first (and only) indian md who can write a complete musical piece straight from his mind onto paper! ?
  
  yes! I have seen such a posting in this DF before.
  where is the evidence for this. Is it "kelvi gnanam " or is there any manifestation of this.
  
  
  
  
  bharath,
  i have seen this!!..he does write his scores, he usually writes his backgrounds..pretty quickly.
  belive me well tranined western classical musican can calculate the score in their mind, they ofetn tell they hear it in their brain. if possible, check with any musician who has worked for IR.
  
  Priya was first stereo track in tamil, some credit goes to Kjy also.
  During msv or RDB times, tracks were recorded as mono tracks only, geniune stereo in tamil was priya. Priya was the first attempt, for example if you close the right channel (atleast in the CD i have), you will not hear the guitar parts. It was hard panned to rigth.
  
  looks like your "gnanam " is limite :)
  
  
• From: Pozhudhu pogadhavan (@ 95.norcross-09rh16rt.ga.dial-access.att.net) on: Fri Aug 17 13:17:44 EDT 2001
  
  "Ananda Kummi" - IR's own venture, all songs were recorded in Film city, Bombay.
  
  
• From: Bhagavathar (@ inehou-pxy02.compaq.com) on: Fri Aug 17 14:06:35 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath:
  
  The song is "Kanmaniyae Kathal Enbathu Karpaniyo" from Arilirinthu Arubathuvarai.
  
  
  
• From: Jag (@ cps-26-217.cse.msu.edu) on: Fri Aug 17 14:17:26 EDT 2001
  
  
  //"first (and only) indian md who can write a complete musical piece straight from his mind onto paper!
  can anyone add to my list? "//
  
  Sort of moderate proof at the end of this comments by Maniratnam. Also this fact is very well known long time ago(when I was in 7th class ). Not so sure about the first Indian considering the rich musical heritage of India, may first modern music composer(ie after 1900's).
  
  Raja and Rahman!
  
  Illaiyaraja is absolutely prolific. He is an amazing talent who believes that the music written down by him should be stuck to totally. And then it is recorded which is just a matter of execution.
  Rahman does the opposite. He has the music in his mind, and uses every musician as an artiste, probably because he has been an instrumentalist himself. he tries to extract something extra from every one of his musicians as well as his playback singers. He believes in their addition input.
  
  Rahman improvises while Illaiyaraja has every little detail chalked out. Like Rahman I try to improvise while leaving others free to make their additional contribution...though I wish I could be like Ilaiyaraja and work out everything on paper."
  
  
  Jag
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Fri Aug 17 14:51:10 EDT 2001
  
  //"During msv or RDB times, tracks were recorded as mono tracks only, geniune stereo in tamil was priya"//
  
  I know that there are serious doubts if stereo players were actually available to the general public in msv rdb times. I am not contesting mono tapes being avaiable but I am seriously contesting "mono recording"
  
  //"for example if you close the right channel (atleast in the CD i have), you will not hear the guitar parts"//
  
  the example is a good one !but doesnt address my point! I was not trying to say anything about music composed to exloit the stereo technologies avaiable. But only trying to underscore KB's mention that "they went ahead and recorded it stereo even though the tech was not avaiable"
  
  Again I am not hurrying in like "munthrikottai" to discredit IR. I am very circumspect abt this point But just thought it was worth mentioning anyway! Not taking away the fact that "priya" stry belonged to IR.
  
  //"The song is "Kanmaniyae Kathal Enbathu Karpaniyo" from Arilirinthu Arubathuvarai"//
  
  for what this example was given! FOr the musical score being handwritten!
  
  
  
  

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