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Raga of song please

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
All times in EDT +9:30 for IST.

Note: You may want to refer to the list of raga based film songs before posting a query.

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• From: Ms.E (@ nas1-32-8.chicago.navinet.net) on: Sun Mar 28 23:13:51 EST 1999
  
  Sriram,
  Thank you. I agree it is more aesthically pleasing to see the gentle motion of the notes than trying to just see a melody as a mere scale.
  Sorry I missed your response to my discussion thinking it was Rama entirely.
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmxlenx.na.informix.com) on: Mon Mar 29 12:15:22 EST 1999
  
  MS, Unga E-Mail ID ennappa ? or please send me
  a sample E-mail at sriramlak@hotmail.com
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Mon Mar 29 15:53:28 EST 1999
  
  SL,
  
  My e-mail id is :
  
  swarapriyan@hotmail.com
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmxlenx.na.informix.com) on: Tue Mar 30 11:57:33 EST 1999
  
  MS, got my E-mail ?
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.243) on: Tue Mar 30 13:05:09 EST 1999
  
  Yup
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp01.sprint.com) on: Tue Mar 30 18:01:32 EST 1999
  
  Some random thoughts.
  
  1. Tere mere Sapne - This is the interesting part. Where is the Sa? If the song is in Bflat Major (and if Bflat is in Sa) then it is in Khamaj. However, if you think the song is set in F minor (with F as Sa) then the song is Misra Gaaraa. Similar is the confusion with KabHi kHudh pE kabHi haalaath pE rOnaa aayaa.
  2. The replica of madhyamavathi in Hindustani is actually Madhuvat Saarang - but less popular than Brindaavan Sarang with the double Ni.
  3. Vanna Nilave's original song in Telugu, Sowndarya Lahari was set in Chandra Khauns and it formed the theme throughout the movie. While Deva changed the main song, he retained the Chandra Khauns theme.
  4. Tere Mere milan ki ye raina, which is actually a Rabindra sangeeth original, is based on Khamaj.
  5. While Dharmavathi encompasses Madhuvanthi, the aarohanam for Madhuvanthi is Sa, ga, Ma, Pa, Ni, Sa and the avarOhanaM is sampoorna Dharmavathi.
  6. along with point 1 above, is 'kahin dheep jalEy kahin dil - Lata in Bees Saal Baad set in Shiv ranjani or Hamsanandhi?
  Sorry, if I have digressed.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Tue Mar 30 18:56:07 EST 1999
  
  rajaG:
  
  Tere mere sapne - The "Sa" of the song is not difficult to find. It comes in the middle. I don't think there is any confusion in that. The problem is that the song "rests" on "Pa" more than it does on "Sa" which is conventional.
  
  
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmxlenx.na.informix.com) on: Wed Mar 31 17:28:35 EST 1999
  
  Yenna MS,
  Did you try playing out the song based on my notations ? Please E-mail a feedback.
  
  
  
  
• From: Hari (@ ts15-15.slip.uwo.ca) on: Wed Mar 31 19:20:40 EST 1999
  
  Raja G,
  
  Tere Mere Sapne is in Gara (which belongs to the Kamaj That). It uses both ga's (unlike raag khamaj) and both ni's, Also it has a range of lower ma to ma of the madhyasthayi. It is sort of like Jayjayvanthi.
  
  The Hum Dono song on the other hand is entirely in kamaj, avoiding komal ga. Not that I am an expert, but one way of identifying these ragas is through their special prayogams...
  
  On a completely different topic, I happened to watch the movie mandhira punnagai on video. It has a song written and sung by IR "kaali perungaya dabba" (yes, those are the words, no typo!) Guess what the scale is! Rishabhapriya scale (62nd melakarta). This, surely, has to be the only film song in this scale!
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Wed Mar 31 19:33:05 EST 1999
  
  hari,
  
  thanks for reminding that song kAli perungAya dappA. is it anyways possible to pass that on to Rex AruL?
  
  also, welcome back :-)
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmxlenx.na.informix.com) on: Fri Apr 2 14:22:11 EST 1999
  
  RajaG,
  Thanks for the info. I understand that the best possible modus operandi for determining the raaga of a song is to play it out in the original scale itself. Now, if wish to play (on my KB)a song in a scale of my choice is there any foolproof method to ensure that I start with the correct swaram ? Right now, I function by instinct, given a combination of S,P,S I can start a song with the appropriate swaram. But the problem arises if the song can be started with more than one swaram. You could play the song commencing with both swarams and still find both versions alright. Please respond.
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Mon Apr 5 05:12:17 EDT 1999
  
  Hari: There is a very old song in RISHABAPRIYA, this being Vaaliya Needuli, from the film Arivaali...... It's very Carnatic and brings out the Raga very well. As it's the Prathi Madhymam of Charukesi, it has strong hints of that.....I'll try and get the Kaali song, it sounds interesting. By the way, are you THE Brilliant Hari Govindan, from Ramaswamy's page? It's nice to see you back.
  
  By the way, did all of you hear Minsaara Poove from Padayappa. I believe it's based on Basanth(Hindustaani Vasantha).
  
  
• From: Hari (@ 4037ad.sscl.uwo.ca) on: Mon Apr 5 11:34:01 EDT 1999
  
  Hi Geetha,
  
  I am the Hari from Ramaswamy's pages. (thanks for the compliment!) I will try to get the arivali song you talk about. Whose music was it? G Ramanathan's or Venkatraman's?
  
  As far as I know, Basanth is not exactly the equivalent of vasantha; it, basanth that is, uses komal dha and both ma's unlike vasantha.
  
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmxlenx.na.informix.com) on: Mon Apr 5 13:28:16 EDT 1999
  
  Hari,
  SV Venkatraman was the composer.
  
  
• From: Venky Narayanan (@ usr6-dialup161.mix1.irving.cw.net) on: Mon Apr 5 19:56:46 EDT 1999
  
  Hi Hari/Geetha,
  I am a novice in Carnatic music. The 'Minsaara poovE' from Padaiappa sounded like Desh. Is there any similarity between Desh and Basanth (if that is the actual raga of that song). Or, was I just confused because the song sounded Hindustani.
  
  Thanks for the Time
  
  
• From: RR (@ proxy.krdl.org.sg) on: Mon Apr 5 21:50:11 EDT 1999
  
  Hi Hari, good to see you back.
  Yes, Basanth and Vasantha cannot really be called equivalents. "minsaara kannaa" i think is simply vasantha as do 'andhi mazhai','vandhanam en vandhanam',etc.
  
  
• From: venky (@ usr6-dialup342.mix1.irving.cw.net) on: Thu Apr 8 20:50:53 EDT 1999
  
  Does anybody know the raagam on which the following song is based ?
  
  mangaiyaril maharaaNi maangani pOl ponmEni
  ellai illa kalaivaani ennuyirE yuva raaNi
  
  (SPB & PS)
  For reason I like this song a lot.
  
  
  
• From: venky (@ usr6-dialup342.mix1.irving.cw.net) on: Thu Apr 8 20:51:40 EDT 1999
  
  typo! read as:
  For some reason I like this song a lot.
  
  
• From: Unni (@ sable.soc.staffs.ac.uk) on: Fri Apr 9 05:56:03 EDT 1999
  
  Geetha, I'm not P Unnikrishnan. My Music knowledge is not so muc. I do however enjoy this thread a lot.
  
  
• From: Raji (@ olktnt01213.netvigator.com) on: Sat Apr 10 06:23:46 EDT 1999
  
  hi!
  I have a doubt.can somebody tell me the ragaa on which the song Vennilave,vennilave in "Minsaara Kanavu" is based on.Thanks.
  
  
• From: vasu (@ proxy-375.public.rwc.webtv.net) on: Sun Apr 11 07:54:03 EDT 1999
  
  Raji,
  i think vennilavae is based on kapi.
  the padayappa's suthi suthi sounds like pachai kiligal (indian). an instance of arr copying himself? hmmm...
  
  
• From: Gem (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Mon Apr 12 07:23:32 EDT 1999
  
  Can anyone clarify on the raga of:
  http://members.tripod.com/~ilayaraaja/uvapa2.ram
  
  Is it kanada?
  
  
• From: Dhandapani (@ 207.12.164.181) on: Tue Apr 13 12:36:33 EDT 1999
  
  When I tryed 'Poraalle Ponnuthhayee' of Karuththamma, noticed that this song is Mohanam based. If wrong please someone correct me. If this information is already posted already, please ignore.
  Thanks
  
  
• From: RR (@ proxy.krdl.org.sg) on: Tue Apr 13 21:59:28 EDT 1999
  
  yes, dhandapani. Lakshminarayanan discusses this and how ARR has used small Ga (sivaranjani) to give pathos effect in the 'soga' version of the same song.
  http://newtfmpage.com/ci/
  
  (check the latter part in the series)
  
  
• From: CM (@ kcpxy3.att.com) on: Wed Apr 14 11:09:24 EDT 1999
  
  Gem: My guess is that its sriranjani or abhogi. It sounds very similar to "Naadham ezhundhadhadi kannamma.." from Gopura VaasalilE. Anyway Im no expert in this and would like the others to clarify this. That gets me to ask is "Kolusi kolusi esa paadu kolusi .." also the same raaga?
  
  
• From: CM (@ kcpxy4.att.com) on: Wed Apr 14 11:10:24 EDT 1999
  
  ALso I think "Sandodham kaanaadha vaazhvunda .." also seems to be like the other two mentioned above. Some one please clarify..
  
  
• From: saketh (@ chem-pc-44.rutgers.edu) on: Wed Apr 14 18:39:02 EDT 1999
  
  CM,
  
  the songs "Sandhosham kaanaadha" and "koluse koluse esa paadu koluse", i think, are both based on the raga Baagesri. There are many other songs in the same raga ("nilave ennidam nerungaadhae", "nee ennenna sonnaalum kavidhai", "ponnezhil poodhadhu pudhu vaanil", "kalaiye en vaazhkaiyin dhisai maatrinaai" etc). Experts clarify.
  
  
• From: rama (@ csui3392.mcit.com) on: Mon Apr 19 14:34:58 EDT 1999
  
  Hey all,
  i think the song from the movie 'thulladha manamum thullum' 'innisai paadi varum ilandhendralukkuruvamillai..' is in sivaranjani. Am i right?.
  Is the song 'paattu onnu naan padattumma paal nilava kettu.' from pudhu vasandham in sivaranjani or else what is that?, Experts answer requested
  
  
• From: rama (@ csui3392.mcit.com) on: Mon Apr 19 14:41:52 EDT 1999
  
  Me again,
  I want to know whether the song 'Madathilae kanni madathilae..' from Veera, and the song 'peyhala nambaathae pinjilae vembathae nee yosidoy' from Mahanadhi are of the same raga or not.
  Iam nothing in ragas and stuffs, but iam very much interested to be in this thread and try to learn atleast something.
  
  
• From: rama (@ csui3392.mcit.com) on: Mon Apr 19 14:43:20 EDT 1999
  
  i missed something,
  I also want to know what ragas they are based on.
  rama
  
  

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