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Vani Jayaram's songs

Topic started by avvaiyar (@ 203.116.61.132) on Wed Jan 27 02:29:28 EST 1999.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I'm a new visitor to this website. I couldn't see anyone discussing about Vani Jayaram's songs.
Let me start this one.(It had been there previously pls. forgive me!)

"Ezhu swarangalukkul ethanai paadal..
Ithaya surangathul ethanai kelvi...
Vaazhum manitharukkul ethanai salanam.."

Wow! Beautiful voice!

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Neel's VJ Songs

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• From: s0 (@ 128.119.85.50) on: Tue Jul 23 09:10:20 EDT 2002
  
  Saravanan, great effort.
  I'm definitely not in the league of knowledgeable people like you and several others in this forum. The whole thread has been a great journey of discovery for me, a realisation of the genius of VJ and TFM in the 70s. As you said, blessed are those who were present to hear those great songs when they were released.
  All I can do is sit back in the sidelines and say "Besh, Besh! romba nanna irukku".
  
  
• From: naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Tue Jul 23 09:50:13 EDT 2002
  
  Saravanan,
  
  I am indebted to your detailed posts above. Thank you for making the effort, and sharing your thoughts with such clarity and generosity. Nandri - Meedum (Kattayam) Varuga!!
  
  Regretably, the deadline for questions is up. What's more, the interview is DONE!! And the audio file viraivil veliaagum!
  What this space for date and time of release.
  
  
• From: naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Tue Jul 23 10:01:58 EDT 2002
  
  GR - Your explanation was appreciated.
  I am still a bit uncertain about the "aspirated" words in tamizh. Do they have to correspond with the written word? Is
  "Mogan" considered more "authentic" as it is divorced from the vadamozhi/sanskrit "Ha"?
  For instance - which is correct: Letchumi or Lakshmi?
  (Once again, the "sha" which is not native to the tamizh phonemes.)
  I am tempted to accept that the whole aspiration business in pronunciation is both varied and discretionary. For now, that seems to be the best way of understanding this occurence.
  
  
• From: Priya (@ 198.23.26.253) on: Tue Jul 23 10:10:48 EDT 2002
  
  
  Saravanan,
  
  Thanks for speaking about the "Oridam, unidam" song. I used to like this particularly for a "boom" music at the end of the paras....Nice duet...
  
  
• From: naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Tue Jul 23 12:57:13 EDT 2002
  
  Neel -
  Poonguyil Kuvudhu Kadhal Ragam Paaduthu...
  The Vijaya Bhaskar composition from Aadu Puli Aattam has a pan "oriental" aspect about it. The orchestration/arrangement and the melody both achieve an unusual, and surprisingly new compatibility. I couldn't help but follow an associative link....all the way back to "Sayonara Sayonara Vaada Nibahungi Sayonara, " the charming Lata solo from "Love in Tokyo."
  VB, given his apprenticeship with Madan Mohan, brought in some lingering influences from his Bombay days to Kannada and Tamizh film music. And some of his best work was with VJ.
  
  
• From: balaji (@ 129.130.229.36) on: Tue Jul 23 13:32:31 EDT 2002
  
  Kudos to Saravanan for the great work
  This sure brings back some of my memories - I still remember watching aboorva raagangal -telecasted in doordarshan (for the first time on a sunday evening) in my friend's place, during my shool years in PSBB (madras)and Vani's opening song in the film had a lasting impression on me. I think the song Ezhu swarangalakkul was composed in ragamalika (am i correct) later it was telecasted on a sunday (National telecast).
  I remember listening to her songs during my school days- Malligai en mannan mayangum,nee puniyam seithaval kodi, aandavan illa ulagamithu (oru othapu kan simitukirathu), sugam ayiram....
  Of course when i switched to gill adarsh (madras) for my +2 it was a sheer delight to begin everyday with vani's bahajan-hum ko man he shakti dena (our school prayer).
  I still remember there were days i used to listen to vividh bharathi in the evenings (4-5pm) where they played songs from all the four southindian languages and I used to get the kick listenng to VJ's songs in all the languages in the same day.
  Also at one point of time VJ's bolure pappihare and KJY's kagaroon sajjni were regularly played in Vividh bharati.
  
  
• From: Kaumudi (@ 136.142.153.250) on: Tue Jul 23 15:07:03 EDT 2002
  
  I have been reading Saravanan's posts in this thread and also in the PS-IR thread for sometime now. This guy is just amazing! He simply makes me wonder how, on earth, one person can remember so many details and so many incidents of one huge field called Tamil Film Music. He is of course ably accompanied by DFers like Naaz and co. I think he is a great asset to this thread since his posts are most of the time very informative to novices. I sure learnt a lot here and have to say that I envy you guys for your knowledge and memory. I sure hope more people join Saravanan in his effort to create VJ's filmography (I am reminded of Kalai and Subbu in the PS-IR thread!).
  
  
• From: naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Tue Jul 23 16:29:45 EDT 2002
  
  Balaji -
  My only grouse with KB and his Aboorva Ragangal is that Ezhu Swarangallukkul is a Title/Credit song. Hence, it never made it to Oliyum Oliyum :-((
  When you talk about the DD telecast, you mean the entire film, right? I was just curious how the song might have been telecast in isolation....with all the names that appear at various corners of the screen, as Sri Vidya (Vani'yin kuralil) sings the magical ragamalika...
  
  
• From: Neel D (@ 24.98.42.169) on: Tue Jul 23 17:01:25 EDT 2002
  
  Saravanan, I think I will sit in the back row with s0 as well. Keep those interesting information coming.
  
  s0, in my opinion 70s is the golden age of TFM. Contribution from great MDs like MSV, KVM, VK, VB, SG, IR, CB, KV and those I have missed. Contribution from great singers like TMS, PS, LRE, VJ, SJ, AMR, GK, KJY, PJ, SPB, MV and those I have missed. But 70s songs are the hardest to find.
  
  Naaz, I have not heard that Sayanora song. Even "Pungkuyil Kuvuthu" was something I discovered very recently. Never heard that before in all my life. I have a feeling that many of VJ's songs and non-IR songs from the 70s were purposely kept off-air and hence went unpreserved (who else but you to start a controversy with).
  
  Everyone,
  
  I have added Page5 to Tamil Solos. Again forgive me for the quality of recording. I promise none of them is as bad as "enakkenna manakkavalai". I even tried to cleanup "mangala kaNNagi" (but still doesn't sound great). :-)
  Happy listening!
  
  
• From: s0 (@ 128.119.85.50) on: Tue Jul 23 17:20:56 EDT 2002
  
  Neel D, oru extra narasu's coffee ready :)
  
  
• From: naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Tue Jul 23 17:40:07 EDT 2002
  
  Neel D -
  I had heard Poonguyil around the time the film was released. After that, as you said, it went AWOL from AIR. You see politics, purpose and malice (in the disappearances of VJ tracks from our transistors) where I see only ignorance, tastelessness and loss :-)
  (Excepting us, of course :-) All those who came of age in the 70s, you can say this about that generation to this day: We know a good tone when we hear one!(With or without AIR.) And it is that original sense of discovery and attachment which has kept this thread going for so many years. Ellorukkum Oru Sabash!
  
  Kaumudi - Naaz & Co sounds like it could be a hit teleserial title :-) Saravanan's encyclopedic breadth and memory is a marvel.
  Mine is a sieve.
  
  
• From: naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Tue Jul 23 18:19:09 EDT 2002
  
  How delightful to hear an O.P. Nayyar tamizh song composed by Shankar-Ganesh and sung by VJ (that is the essential link.) Muthu Muthu Thaerottam could easily have been a song in Kashmir Ki Kali or Professor.
  Lucky for us, it was in tamizh, and by VJ, in Aaniver!
  
  
• From: Balaji (@ 129.130.229.108) on: Tue Jul 23 18:44:34 EDT 2002
  
  Hi Naaz - I meant the entire film.
  Indeed 70's- early 80's was the golden period. This also reminds me about - Veru idam thedi povalo - featured towards the end of the film - sila nerangalil sila manithargal-the only female solo-but a powerful one. This movie by jayakanthan-featuring lakshmi was a hit only in Madras-but this song was very popular in AIR.I think VJ also sang in Oru nadigai nadagam parkiral-again starring lakshmi.
  I used to be a fan of lakshmi some of VJ's songs for lakshmi were simply out of the world.
  
  
• From: kik (@ 207.0.108.189) on: Tue Jul 23 22:43:37 EDT 2002
  
  Saravanan: Couple minor corrections 'Thalaye nee vangaai' is not from Sisubalan, but Sundaramoorthy Naayanaar (music SM Subbiah Naidu) and has a couple more solos and duets notably maathar piRaik kaNNiyaanai w/ Seerkazhi. All the songs are dEvaarap pathihangaL (by Sundarar himself I think, note the 'ha':-).
  
  JJ too sang 2 songs- 'Iru maan vizhi pol'-Vairam.
  
  That's 'iru maangani pOl ithazhOram aenguthu mOham' which is a ripoff of the lata-rafi number kuch kehta hai saawan, kya kehta hai (mera gaon mera desh, LP I think).
  
  
• From: naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Tue Jul 23 23:47:53 EDT 2002
  
  Kik -
  Was Vairam a remake of the hindi - Victoria No.203?
  
  
• From: Neel D (@ 24.98.42.169) on: Wed Jul 24 00:02:55 EDT 2002
  
  Did anyone pay attention to the way VJ sings "kARRin aNuvai...i..i..i.." at the beginning of the song. That is just so "VJ". The song has such a yearning and sad feeling, the devotional aspect is underplayed by the emotion of the song.
  
  
• From: AVR (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Wed Jul 24 00:34:30 EDT 2002
  
  Neel D:
  
  Your mp3 of Mangala Kannagi is definitely good...there are a couple of minor crackles here and there, but its definitely allright. I have enjoyed songs on tapes that were in godawful conditions (an excellent example is HMV and their new "digitally remastered" versions of old songs...I have a tape in which the pitch keeps changing every alternate second.)If the singing is nice, those crackles dont disturb me. In anyca se, MANAGALA KANNAGI is a beautiful song.
  
  Thanks for giving an mp3 file of that, once again!
  
  Saravanan:
  
  Your posts on various threads have been excellent. I am archiving many of those, for they make delightful reading. Hats off to you! Like Sriram Lakshman, you also seem to have memory of infinite capacity.
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.1.164) on: Wed Jul 24 06:05:09 EDT 2002
  
  I am really enthused seeing all your responses. Actually yesterday I started off rather diffidently, as I have never attempted any such writing till now, except the painful, but mandatory 'essay writing'( or 'compostion' as it was called in Gill Adarsh, Chennai)at school! But your encouraging responses have given me sufficient courage to continue. Thank you, all.
  
  Kik, thanks for the corrections. Naaz, yes, Vairam was a remake of Victoria no.203.
  
  Neel, thanks for the latest uploads. Great songs!
  
  Balaji, neengalum Gill Adarsha? I am also an alumnus of that 'illustrious' instituition!! Yes, I remember our morning 'Ham ko man ki shakthi dena' with Aunty watching over us ! (For the benefit of others, 'Aunty' was how we 'nephews' called our principal!)
  
  Balaji, I too loved the programme you are refering to- 'Madhur Geetham'- where the announcements were in Hindi (Geethkaar, sangeethkaar, Gayakalaakar et al!)- and its 15 minutes each for tamizh, telugu, kannada and malayalam film songs. We got to recognise names like Dodda Ranga Gowda, RN Jayagopal, ONV Kurup, Aathreya, Rajan Nagendra, M Ranga Rao, Sathyam, Chakravarthi, Ambili, Madhuri--). What fun!
  
  I'll continue shortly with 1974. But my only request to you all is, please give additions/corrections wherever you can. I may remember most songs, but there may still be gaps. Please fill in the blanks. Also, I am woefully ignorant of the raagaas on which the songs are based and other interesting technical details, which should be filled in by those who are in the know. This assumes great significance, as many of VJ's songs are classical or light-classical in composition. Again, where I don't know anything about the background of the film, I may become a mere clinical statistician- so those who know something more, please help. As I said at the outset, let us travel together down memory lane with VJ.
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 195.229.241.242) on: Wed Jul 24 08:52:33 EDT 2002
  
  1974 continued:
  
  5. Pon mana chemmalai- Sirithu vaazha vendum- TMS-MSV
  
  VJ's first song for a MGR film- the Pillayar suzhi for a short but glorious chapter of VJ's songs for MGR starrers. SVV was directed by SS Balan- SS Vasan's son. Starred MGR and Latha.
  
  Other songs include the alluring 'Konja neram ennai marandhen'(TMS,SJ) and the appalling 'Mera naam Abdul Rehman'(TMS).
  
  VJ starts off the song: Pon mana chemmalai pun pada cheithathu yaaro, athu yaaro?
  Un manam enbathum en manam enbathum vero arivaaro?
  (Going by the words, it would seem that MGR is either physically hurt or upset about something and Latha is trying to nurse/pacify him), but she apparently as other designs as well, going by her next lines:
  Unnai oru sei pol naan thaalaatta
  vanna chiru sevvaayil then ootta,
  thiru meni nalamaagalaam, thigattadha sugam kaanalaam,
  vilagaamal naam uravaadalaam!
  
  Immeditealy, MGR seems to recover sufficiently to sing:
  
  Mannavan en manam pun pada seithathu kanne undhan kanne
  kannathin muththathil kaayangal aaridum penney pasum ponney!!
  
  A different type of nursing, this- nothing clinical about it!! Nonetheless, a gentle, melodious duet.
  
  6.Sippiyile Muthu- Anbai thedi- MSV
  
  This song was discussed at length very recently in this thread. Suffice to say that it is a good, pathos filled solo by VJ, with meaningful lyrics.
  
  7. Thaththi chellum muthu kannan- Thanga Padhakkam- Saibaba- MSV
  
  VJ too deserves a thangapathakkam for this enchanting song.
  Who can forget Inspector Chowdhary, Lakshmi or Jagan? I remember being awe-struck when, as a child, I saw this film for the first time on Madras DD. Mahendran's script , originally for a drama, made into a classic film. Sivaji, KRV and Srikanth assumed larger than life proportions.
  
  MSV, came up with excellent songs, as usual. All of them became popular. Nallathoru Kudumbam-TMS & PS, with the change in tempo whenever TMS sings- with the lyrics beautifully bringing out the feelings of the mother and the father vis-a-vis their wayward son- is an unforgettable song.
  TMS' Sumaithaangi saainthaal is a gem. Sodhanai mel sodhanai, with Pramila's 'Mama---' dialogues,
  is a typical loud Sivaji-TMS tear-jerker.
  
  Coming to Thathichellum- the HMV tape (Yes Neel, the white tape with thagara parts which rattle!) gives the unabridged version. It begins with Sivaji reciting 'Twinkle twinkle little star--'. I know I shouldn't laugh at an instituition, but, forgive me, when I hear Sivaji reciting, in a majestic manner, this rhyme, especially the way he stresses likkkke a diiiiiiamond in the sky- I cannot help it!
  
  VJ then begins Thaththichellum muthu kannan sirippu
  alli thaalaattum annai petra madhippu
  vilayaatu pillai konda thudippu,
  engal varungaalam avan konda poruppu--
  
  In the interlude, Saibaba sings the rhyme again.
  
  The usual radio version fades as VJ sings 'Anbukkey ellai ananda mullai', and you can just catch the'Thaththi chellum' feebly.
  However, the HMV version has one more stanza- It goes like this:
  Kuthu vilakku annai vadivam
  Muthu vilakku pillai paruvam
  Pathu vilakku thandhai uruvam
  endru vilangum engal kudumbam
  Thaththi chellum---
  
  Surprise! Surprise! That's not all. VJ also sings, with Saibaba, the same 'Twinkle twinkle little star--, not once, but twice! And her English, like her tamizh and other languages she sings in, is flawless!
  
  Thank you, HMV, thagara parts and all!
  
  -1974 to be continued--
  
  
  
  
  
  

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