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Kamal, MR and ARR Team in the next MN venture!

Topic started by Kum_Laden (@ 66.185.85.71) on Sat Aug 31 12:14:47 EDT 2002.
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Vikatan Source says Next Kamal movie is by MR and next MR movie has Kamal (of is it the same..:) ). No Doubt the MD is ARR i betcha!

http://www.vikatan.com/jv/2002/sep/04092002/jv0701.shtml

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• From: K (@ 198.73.152.100) on: Tue Sep 3 12:08:06 EDT 2002
  
  "Mudinchu Pochu ellam mudinchu pochu.. is a translation from "It's over" often used in hollywood movies.. "
  
  Also, the word 'vaNakkam' which is often used in Tamil movies is lifted from 'Hello' used in many English movies.
  
  ada poongappa
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.57.110) on: Tue Sep 3 12:20:16 EDT 2002
  
  K.. contest in which "It's over" is used in hollywood movies pretty much the same contest in which MR uses in his movies. The phrasing of sentences lack nativity in his movies. Vanakkam, Hello are very common words. We use the word "Hello" itself.
  
  
• From: Ravi R (@ 66.156.165.95) on: Tue Sep 3 12:31:18 EDT 2002
  
  I honestly cudnt care less if Manirathnam did a movie with Ilayaraaja or not. Mani is the loser anyway. As for raaja, he is getting good works from some nice directors recently. If you have rean Manirathnams chat transcript he says that "Raaja is a great MD. I would love to have him score for my movie"..
  
  Wonder what personal differences keep this two men apart. IF they decide to work together all the better else, Mani can once again get open his promotional antics and sell his movie.
  
  
• From: vasanth (@ 202.54.90.5) on: Tue Sep 3 12:43:47 EDT 2002
  
  Whether some people are accepting or not,
  MANI RATNAM is Greatest director in Tamil Nadu.
  Who is giving a film with so much technical things
  other than mani in INDIA?
  SO it is immaterial whether he is using A.R.R or IR.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Tue Sep 3 14:26:33 EDT 2002
  
  Mani is over-rated. Both him and Kamal are logical creators not 'instinctive'. Examples of instinctive creators are barathi raja and bhagyraj. You can see the screenplay/dialogue flow .oh so smoothly. Not the case with ManiRatnam, but you can tell lot of thought went into the film-making..MR stands out because he avoids the mediocrity that plagues lesser skilled directors who are aplenty in our film industry. All high school dropouts in our country dream of becoming a director. It is just like our politics where all the unemployed find refuge. Surely, MR with his good educational and intellectual background and BIM skills, approaches his work methodically.
  I am no fan of MR's movies but surely I can tell they are of good quality. bArathi rAja, if he cuts down on his 'cinematic/dramatic' twists would be a world-class movie-maker.
  I too agree that MR is moving our film industry towards a much more international standard/subtle kind of screen play but he surely lacks the creative juices to make it 'really' world class.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 156.153.255.196) on: Tue Sep 3 14:33:22 EDT 2002
  
  i dunno why people call mouna raagam and alaipayuthey similar. it has nothin in common if u think abt it.
  
  its one of those setreo types "oh will mani do another mouna raagam" just prevailing without any sensible evidence to bak it up.
  
  mouna raagam: girl gets married to delhi dude and she aint happy with him. bcoz she had a past fling with another guy and cant get over the fact that she is dead. certain aspects of arranged marriage are subtly critisised b4 the girl finally realizes livin with her husband is a good thing
  
  
  alaipayuthey: girl sees boy. boy sees girl. they fall in love. they marry secretly against their parents wishes. live in some terrace/house thingie. some aspects of love marriage are critisized subtly b4 boy realizes that love is the best.
  
  in mouna raagam .. girls past love affair is a flashbak cameo. in alaipaythe the whole movie is a flashbak woven in a neat suspense accident narrative.
  
  there it is.. nothing in common 0 % commonality. apples and oranges. sakkarai pongal & apple pie.
  
  so stop the stupid comparison
  
  
• From: Normal Man (@ 216.65.193.130) on: Tue Sep 3 14:52:59 EDT 2002
  
  Arivu Jeevi Bharath avargale --> The comparison between MN and AP is not story wise, but on the fact that, when MR tries to create an amalgamation of Karthik in the 1st half & Mohan in the 2nd half, in Madhavan. Mani desparatelty needed a hot after Iruvar (a lovely movie from him though) and Dil Se. So the easiest path he could take is, rehash some of his old romantics. Obviosuly he choose MN because its his best romance till date. So its not a comparison of apples/oranges, but a comparison of vengaya sambar (MN) and mullangi sambar (AP). I loved the vengaya sambar by the way .....
  
  
• From: Ravi R (@ 66.156.165.95) on: Tue Sep 3 15:13:35 EDT 2002
  
  Kiru, Well said.
  
  "Odi Polaama ?"
  
  "Hey nee yenna love panriyaa ? "
  
  kinda one liners at odd situations really turned me off.. though he might think its all part of the POP culuture. Mani, we need good movies and not your experiments.
  
  
• From: (hey )ram (@ 195.93.50.7) on: Tue Sep 3 15:35:28 EDT 2002
  
  //Mani is over-rated. Both him and Kamal are logical creators not 'instinctive'//
  I fully agree,atleast as far as MR is concerned-the struggle shows sometimes.
  I remember when Iruvar came(as did KM),vikatan went overboard as usual with any of MR's pictures and published a cover story which ran for 2 weeks-by the time the movie had gone out of theatres.Many readers protested at the cover story saying that there was nothing in the movie that merits a cover story.
  His plus points are-
  he thinks big-nayagan,probably his best-a real sweeping canvas!
  visuals-with sriram,set new standards.
  his biggest weakness are his dialogues-I mean,have you ever seen someone who talks like that in real life?
  and his 'comedy'-some of the cheapest comedy I have ever seen was in a movie called geethanjali(Ir's erotic bgm in those sequences is a topic in itself!)
  He completely lost the plot with tamil audience when he fancied himself to be some sort of visionary ,once the 'bombay -roja syndrome'set in.all movies had to have some main or sub plot involving terrorists-either local or foreign.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 156.153.255.196) on: Tue Sep 3 16:24:23 EDT 2002
  
  //"MR tries to create an amalgamation of Karthik in the 1st half & Mohan in the 2nd half, in Madhavan"//
  
  if u are referring to karthik's "kadalai sapdariya" and mohans mature " enna thotta unakku kabmli poochi kadikara mathiri irukka"
  
  as a analogy
  
  to madhavan's pre-marriage: " nee azhagai illai naan unnai love pannalai but ithellam nadathidumonnu bayama irukku"
  
  and post-marriage: " nee appa veetukko poo, pogathe.. thirumba veetukku vaa, varathe.. i dont care"
  
  
  well i have to say its a decent analogy but.. what i disagree with is a small view of tamil films. there have been more parallel's to madhavan, mohan and karthiks character and restricting comaprisons to just 2 films is unfair.
  
  in anycase this, if is ur only evidence, is quite insufficient to say the movies are similar.
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.58.229) on: Tue Sep 3 17:13:00 EDT 2002
  
  In pagal nilavu Revathy says to Murali "Thodathe unna thotta neruppa thodara madiri irukku"
  
  After few scenes Murali says to Revathy "Enakku onnum ille unnakkudhan enna thotta neruppa thodara madiri irukkum"
  
  Same thing was used in Mouna Raagam... God father Movie has so many one liners. sharp dialogues.
  MR tries to emulate that. Well it was ok for few of his earlier movies. Not for all his movies. But MR doesn't have Alpacino to do that. Lot of people could not understand what Rajini was talking in the temple steps with Shobana even after seeing three times. Lot of people give credit to Mohan in Mouna Raagam. In my view more than half the credit should go to Surendar who lent his voice to Mohan. Illayaraja's music helped him a lot. So many times IR's music for Karthik-revathy part in Mouna Raagam has been discussed. So i choose some other part.. first night of Revathy... the music is awesome...he maintains a rhythm... as soon as he touches Revathy he changes the tune abruptly which was a master stroke from IR. Do someone have BGM of Mouna Raagam?
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Tue Sep 3 17:58:26 EDT 2002
  
  POP culture ..didn't Mani have a big hand in ushering it in, in agni natchaththiram !!! BTW, I think all this terrorist, srilankan issues are a ploy to get credibility for the movie. Like NagaS says, if he wanted to spin a story on adoption, he should do it alone, why mix it up with Srilankan issue. And I dont get what he was trying to say on Srilankan issue..Just an interesting backdrop for the main story. It is the upwardly mobile middle-class which is propping MR up. The intellectually elite (let us include ourselves in this category :)) tolerate him because others are making really stupid movies with non-sensical plots.
  Anyways, something worth might come of Kamal and MR combination. I will patiently wait for the DVD, so that I can stop it whenever I want to :)
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 66.140.34.153) on: Tue Sep 3 19:21:58 EDT 2002
  
  kiru,
  
  okay ! now your discussion is turning out to be interesting but you are of the mark perspectivewise.
  
  Lets take for example the character keertana in KM. I dint like her. I didnt her character rather than the actress. I found the child too much of an "adhiga prasangi" ( some children in anjali were the same too)
  
  Now "like" could mean more than one thing.
  
  1) hate the potrayal/ role/ presentation the whole kutchen sink.
  
  2) hate the character itself. think its ..well.. "adhiga prasangi" over enthusiastic, obsessed etc.
  
  
  # 2 is infact an argument over taste. # 1 is an issue over genuineness.
  
  I think if what u have is # 2 then the director has done a good job.
  
  Not all children that I see are "children" (whatever that means). I see children mostly who are adhiga prasangi, idiotic, over enthusiastic about adult issues etc...
  
  so in effect if people expect a child to be potrayed the way shalini did in "bandham". it wud be disgusting.
  
  the child and the character were just 1 example. Manirathnam's other trademarks have a similar explanation. especially his 1 line staccato dialogue delivery. I belive if u strip of the back ground music and other ambient noise.. you wud find those deliveries to be close to a real-life malayalam movie. and you mite say " oh! he is close to reality on that one". I have observed this aspect a lot and i think its as close to the random, inconsistent way we normally talk in every day life.
  
  
  
  
• From: Nazir (@ 172.138.213.224) on: Tue Sep 3 19:56:48 EDT 2002
  
  I think the character amudha was cleverly crafted by Manirathnam. Shyama, the character played by Nandita das was adomant,rebellious, very decisive and was prepared to leave back her own kid just for the sake of eeLam.
  Amudha, not only inherited her looks but also her personality.
  She is adamant to find her true mother is, she is arrogant and to an extent selfish just like her mother. She is prepared to leave her adopted parents to meet her mother just like shyama left her to return to her motherland.
  MR not only selected a kid that almost resembled nandita but also made sure she had shyamas charecteristics. In fact KM is the one movie of MR where every characterisation was good.
  
  
  

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