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Kamal, MR and ARR Team in the next MN venture!

Topic started by Kum_Laden (@ 66.185.85.71) on Sat Aug 31 12:14:47 EDT 2002.
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Vikatan Source says Next Kamal movie is by MR and next MR movie has Kamal (of is it the same..:) ). No Doubt the MD is ARR i betcha!

http://www.vikatan.com/jv/2002/sep/04092002/jv0701.shtml

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• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.225) on: Tue Sep 3 05:37:58 EDT 2002
  
  Also from Zero Degrees.
  
  
• From: Are yaar (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Tue Sep 3 06:18:47 EDT 2002
  
  NagaS:
  
  Good post. The reason I keep posting here and the reason why this forum is still a nice place to visit is because of people like you.
  
  I might have roughed with you in the past, but I really like all your postings. We might differ in perception alone.
  
  Let your nice work continue.
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.201.74) on: Tue Sep 3 06:41:01 EDT 2002
  
  G. Ragavan,
  
  Your point is very valid,
  
  But I still can't agree that I need to know about LTTE to understand KM, Why ????
  
  Let me tell you frankly, I don't know anything about LTTE or the srilankan tamils - except for some news items and stories I have read, I have very little knowledge on them, But that doesn't prevent me from enjoying KM ... Infact when I saw the movie, I was thinking why this fellow Mani should bring unnecessary complexity in a very good story - he could have handled just the child adoption issue and the emotional war bt. the child, its mother(s)., Cylone issue-kku anga velaiyee illai enpathu en karuththu (NOM to srilankan tamils !) Athu veRa topic, ithu veRa topic, You can't mix both in the same movie - let me repeat, you CANNOT mix - I am pretty confident that a movie will be successful only if it knows what is its main theme and where to concentrate , pala vishayangaLla Director / viewer-oda gavanam sithaRuvathu eppavum aabaththu !
  
  My point is, if you are making a movie on some topic, thats good, thro' an effective visual medium like this, make me understand of the issue there - be it cylone tamils / kashmir militants / whatever,
  Athai vittuttu, you yourself should know / learn to understand what I am talking-nnu solRathu thappaana aRivujeeviththanam - that won't sell most of the time !
  
  Who is ManiRathnam to ask me to know about topic x, y and z ? Tomorrow if he is making a movie about some forests in africa, should I read and know abt. those first and then go watch his movie ? If I don't do that and skip watching his movie, you claim my intellectual level is not enough ? Ithu ennappa Nyayam ?
  
  I am not against 'Experiement' kind of movies, BUT one who performs the experiement should be ready for both success and failure, Blaming others for failure is not a right thing to do - that would only mean you don't understand your audience properly ...
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: g (@ 129.49.80.141) on: Tue Sep 3 07:40:02 EDT 2002
  
  Manirathnam in his very recent interview (http://www.madrastalkies.com) has said "that he will be fortunate and wud love to work in future with the great composer of all times- Maestro IR. He added: I feel that I gave him tough projects but he took it so simple and came out spellbounding"
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Tue Sep 3 08:15:19 EDT 2002
  
  NagaS:
  
  As a viewer I enjoyed KM a lot. I also felt the Srilankan issue was a bit off-track when in fact he dealt mainly with the adoption issue. But a second thot would reveal the intention of Mani. Roja dealt with 2 issues woven intricately around each other. The emotional angle was from the love between Madhu and Swamy while the Kashmir problem formed a perfect backdrop to convey what the director wanted to say on that issue. If there was no Madhu-Swamy angle the movie would look like a documentary.
  
  And in Dil Se, as in Bombay the entire issue is seen from the perspective of a couple of lead characters...their personal life story is incidental but has been made relevant to the overall issue dealt with, very cleverly by Mani. Again, basically to avoid a documentary tone. I personally felt Bombay's ending was rather childish. Roja, I'd say was blemishless, in a cinematic way. Dil Se was perfect too but was marketed as a part of the so-called sequel and that was a bad strategy, since the human-personal element dominated and diluted the North-East issue, which was relegated to the extreme back!
  
  KM was an attempt similar to Roja and Bombay. Just that the human angle he had taken, in itself makes up for a complete movie. So 2 major issues clashed and it kind of diluted each other. In Roja, it was the simple Husband and wife love for each other which happens everywhere (well almost! ;-). But KM's adoption issue is not common and its unfortunate that it got in direct clash with a even major issue like Eezham. But I appreciate the way KM was handled even though, explaining a 9 year old that she was adopted is way way too far-fetched! But thats Mani for you...Anjali was full of such more-mature-for-their-age kids!
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.201.74) on: Tue Sep 3 08:26:25 EDT 2002
  
  Are yaar,
  
  Unexpected paaraattu from you ... thanks a lot yaar :-)
  
  g,
  
  Interview, chat-nnu varumpothu ippadi ethaavathu Raja-vukku kullaa vaikkiRathuthaan, maththapadi MR maRupadi IRkitta povaarnnu enakku thoNalai ! I will be very happy if ARR spends some quality time for this movie if he is booked ! Recently almost every Kamalhasan movie had 'average' or 'below average' songs ...
  
  Karthik S,
  
  Nice analysis ... I agree with you that MR handled it properly in Roja and Bombay (Which I mentioned in one of my earlier posts) ..
  
  To add one more point to your argument - just think from the other angle, in roja / bombay, if you remove the 'samooka' message from the movie and take only the love life of arvind swamy with madhu / manisha, the movie will look like any other normal romantic movie, So MR cleverly compensated it with the strong message / theme and the way he handled it was superb !
  
  But as far as KM is concerned, the story of Madhavan - Simran - Keerthana itself was huge and had every emotion to make it a complete movie - it had every potential to become another MaunaRagam, Which MR couldn't manage finally because he had to accomodate another (Big) issue in the same movie ...
  
  True, KM was a good movie - No dobut in that, But not as great as some project it to be ...
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 203.199.207.198) on: Tue Sep 3 09:09:18 EDT 2002
  
  Guys,
  Pls get back to Topic..Add some words like "songs","music","copied","ARR/IR"..in your posts..:-)
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.201.74) on: Tue Sep 3 09:23:26 EDT 2002
  
  peeps,
  
  songs music copied ARR / IR
  
  pothumaa ?
  
  Ayyo naan intha aattaththukku varallai ....
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.58.133) on: Tue Sep 3 09:42:54 EDT 2002
  
  Another thing is keerthana's character was not liked by some. Partly because her annoying adamance to see her true mother reflects on her ingratitude towards her step mother. Though it is a movie, some may not like that irksome kids. I am not sure if that is the way MR intended. If that character was developed to draw some sympathy from audiences, then MR fails at it. Otherwise he can pat on his shoulders as i find that character irritating at times especially in srilanka where she puts the life of everybody in jeopardy. Although he claims an article read by MR in times is the brainchild of the movie, i can see some similarities between this movie and Secrets and Lies. I feel casting in KM is not good. He should have chosen Shobana for that role.
  She is much more expressive and talented. I think MR has clearly missed his mark in this movie.
  This is the first time MR has gone outside India to shoot a movie, unlike our shankar who always likes to visit, places like Melbourne, Seven Wonders at the expense of producers. The question is, is he losing his market as a director?
  
  
• From: Samaathanam (@ 203.106.70.254) on: Tue Sep 3 09:59:10 EDT 2002
  
  Mani has improved with every movie. The reason why some people romantisise about Mouna Raagam is because of reminicent reasons. Kan Muth is an extremely well-made movie. Instead of just using one issue for a three-hour movie, Mani has gone one step further and told a complete story in a man/woman's life. Face it, in real life, we do not always have only one issue.
  
  Most of us may not want to tell a ten-year old that she is adopted. However Mani's character tells; there is nothing wrong with this. It is not illogical like a boot flying, kicking and returning to the foot. :)
  
  As for Naga's comment, I also can not agree that people need not know any background before seeing a movie. Plenty of Hollywood movies would be meaningless if we don't know the background of the issue. In fact, try watching Lord of Rings without knowing some background; it won't make any sense.
  
  I think it is high time Tamil movie makers stopped spoonfeeding their audience and start making thinking man's movies.
  
  Mani is certainly moving in the right direction.
  
  
• From: kooththan (@ 198.73.152.100) on: Tue Sep 3 11:21:54 EDT 2002
  
  This year the Toronto International Film Festiavl (The largest of it's kind in North America - yes even bigger than Sun Dance) will feature KM.
  
  All these years when Tamil movies were featured in this festival they were featured in the 'Contemporary World Cinema' cattegory.
  
  This year, KM will be featured in the 'Masters' cattegory which is reserved for the world's finest movie makers like Akira Kurosawa.
  
  Mani is putting Tamil Movies on the world map. We should all be grateful for that.
  
  But it does make me wonder why 'Azhagi' and/or 'kutti' did not make it?! You have to be proud of Mani's business savy too.
  
  Coming to KM, I think Mani chose the Eezham issue to say a few comments about what he thought of the issue. Same way Bala did in Nantha. That's it. Just like you and I sit here and share our thoughts on issues through this forum, Mani does it through his movies. From his movies, I can gather he is a person with very strong political convictions, and they come through in his movies.
  
  Why didn't he do it in the Eighties with Mouna Ragam and so on? May be because he was still too young and his convictions weren't strong enough to find their ways into his movies. May be he wanted to establish himself firmly before starting to rock the boat.
  
  An average fan might find this irksome and irritating. But an ardent fan like myself will find it facinating. It's a window into the movie makers mind. In that sense these are very personal movies. And I like them that way.
  
  Just so people don't blame me for digressing, let me just say "East or West IR is the Best"
  
  ....later
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.58.133) on: Tue Sep 3 12:00:05 EDT 2002
  
  I guess V.Sekar, Visu have always dealt with much more issues in a man's life. One cannot underrate their works just because it is not modern. Plotline is not something new. MR has done nothing extraordinary in this movie. It is neither a Memento nor a Sixth sense to think and understand. It is somewhat getting stereotypical. During the early part of his career he made 'Godfather' type movies like Pagal Nilavu, Nayagan, Dalapathi. Now he is dealing with an individual or a family getting embroiled in a current political turmoil.Mouna Raagam and Alai Payuthe was somewhat similar. His off beat movie Thiruda Thiruda made no sense at all. One reason i can find is Tamil film is lacking powerful actors these days. Compared to Karthik, Prabhu, 80s Rajini, Mammooty, 80s Kamal, Mohan, Raguvaran, .. current bunch of actors are pathetic lot barring Madhavan. and Inspite of his powerful performances his baby face always lets him down in serious scenes. Take Murali in Pagal Nilavu. His performance was very believable and top class. Their screen presence was dominant. Even the supporting casts like Nazar, Nizalgal Ravi, Sathyaraj, Sarathbabu, Radika, Sumitra, Tara were very good. His movies are best known for BGMs. Agni Natchathiram , Dalapathy, Mouna Raagam, Idhayathai Thirudathe..
  Especially in Nayagan where we have three versions of Then Pandi cheemaiyile
  
  First version .. when he lost his son.. he feels like he is alone.. so no instruments accompanied
  Second version with his family it is accompanied by marriage music
  Third version after he gets shot by Tinu anand with military music since tinu anands father was a police man.
  Whoever writes dialogues for his movies needs to stop translating english movie dialogues and embeds in his movies. Kamal is also a big offender in this direction.
  
  For example"
  
  Niruthanum Ellathaiyum Nirthanum.. is a standard dialogue lifted from Godfather where Kay(diane keaton) tells to Michael(Alpacino) after aborting her child "It all must end".
  
  Mudinchu Pochu ellam mudinchu pochu.. is a translation from "It's over" often used in hollywood movies..
  
  Ovvoru manushanukkum oru breaking point irukku(dialogue in kurudi punal) a lift from the movie Shawsank redemption when Morgan freeman tells his fellow inmates "Everybody has got a breaking point".
  
  Inspite of flaws in his movies his movies have its own identity. Fazil and Priyadarshan are two great directors. 'B' letter directors have taken a back seat. Balumahendra, Balachander, Bharathi Raja, Bagyaraj.
  
  

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