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Musical Merits &Demerits of IR and ARR [Only for fans, not fanatics!]

Topic started by V (@ 147.129.99.180) on Thu Jul 17 16:26:37 EDT 2003.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

To bring our healthy/unhealthy discussion on music merits and demeits of IRR and ARR out of the Thangar Bacchaan thread I starting this thread so that it would be more appropriate.

I expect people who post here to be fans and not typical fanatics. Expecially the young ARR fans and the "Theevira" Raja fans

Thanks!

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Responses:

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• From: V (@ 147.129.97.159) on: Mon Jul 21 17:00:49 EDT 2003
  
  rajasaranam
  
  I somehow developed affinity towards that album after hearing it frequently. I love the parts "gundakka mandakka vendakka sundakka" in male toppula. SOunds really cool!
  
  Bhajanai seivom is also a good song. Ulakame and dhoolu podu are good too. I dont like the pure carnatic songs in that album.
  
  
  Ofcourse apdi pakruthunna is the pick of the album.
  
  I am still waiting for a powerful emotional album like Azhagi from Maestro!! What a stuning album! Also Kasi is soo good. The interludes in Maanu tholu Kondu is so awesome and it reminds me of the thiruvizha fervour in TN villages!
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.57) on: Mon Jul 21 17:24:58 EDT 2003
  
  Hi every one
  
  Got bored with discussing the same thing different way again and again.
  
  But it is true nobody is considering ARR in the film idustry now. YSR,HJ,VS already overtaken him. After the flop like parasuram, udaya,KV etc..in tamilnadu nobody is interested to buy ARR's cassette. This is the fact now.
  
  I want to say that ARR made several hit albums in the past and the new MD's ruling now. By arguing again and again it will not get back ARR to his past situation. Ok.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.128.76) on: Mon Jul 21 18:31:33 EDT 2003
  
  V,
  
  BTW that song sung by sudha ragunathan was the pick of the year by noted critic subbudu.
  
  xml,
  
  we too got bored so we r discussing some good songs frm both ARR and IR. how abt joining in?
  
  
• From: V (@ 141.149.235.21) on: Mon Jul 21 20:02:11 EDT 2003
  
  xml
  
  thanks for your compliment in the other thread.
  
  Nice to see a 'compliment' from you!
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.110) on: Mon Jul 21 20:13:27 EDT 2003
  
  Yah V
  
  So what is the conclusion with many posts in this thread.
  
  Do you know fanatics will always tell the truth and knows more than the fans. I advise you listern to fanatics to realise the fact. OK.
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.110) on: Mon Jul 21 20:57:39 EDT 2003
  
  WRT the topic
  
  Musical merit-IR was the first and only the MD made many movies to be hit through his music. With junk artist, directors. He overtook all the director and actor even our rajini.TF industry growth was during IR time.
  
  You see all the ARR hits, mostly famous directors and big banners and several years composing just just 5-6 songs. I am not saying that ARR to be work with junk artists. He is not supportive for the growth of the film industry by demanding more money and signing less number of movie and only with established directors and artists.And more ever as a chameleon he will be jumping all over the world without caring making albums in tamil.But it made the industry to be dull.
  
  I promise you that if IR did like this in the past the tamil film idustry would have been like marathi,oriya etc..
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.153) on: Mon Jul 21 21:07:42 EDT 2003
  
  OK OK..
  the calculatio is wrong...
  i will not argue..especially on this thread..
  being an ARR fan..i know how the respect the Thread....
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on: Mon Jul 21 21:16:38 EDT 2003
  
  Like Kiran mentioned in other thread, why nobody refers Ulagame Mirugamai from Ivan. It has got orchestration which are miles miles ahead of contemporary songs
  
  
• From: V (@ 141.149.235.21) on: Mon Jul 21 22:28:14 EDT 2003
  
  Speaker
  
  I have mentioned Ulakame in my list of good songs from Ivann.
  
  xml
  
  Nobody needs a conclusion here. We are all increasing our knowledge and building tolerance and acceptance towards different tastes!
  
  One thing is that when we praise a person we dont necessarily have to talk bad about another person!
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 203.123.16.153) on: Mon Jul 21 23:22:14 EDT 2003
  
  Well..TFM's dull situation are creditted to ARR...
  but i thot..u r the same person who said VS, HJ, YSR and everyone else had overtook ARR..
  then why asking ARR to up hold TFM?...
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 61.8.210.77) on: Tue Jul 22 00:02:48 EDT 2003
  
  "OK OK..
  the calculatio is wrong...
  i will not argue..especially on this thread..
  being an ARR fan..i know how the respect the Thread...."
  
  nalla vaangi katikittiyaa....
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 203.123.16.153) on: Tue Jul 22 00:09:33 EDT 2003
  
  ammange...nalla vangi kattikitten,
  illena kille vilunthidume?
  
  ninge vangenathe yellam yengge?
  seriya katteliya?
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 61.8.210.77) on: Tue Jul 22 00:18:23 EDT 2003
  
  from what u have proven ur worth, even without tying securely u r still bound to fall hopelessly... :)
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 203.123.16.153) on: Tue Jul 22 00:24:37 EDT 2003
  
  yaaaawwwn....
  Thsi is not the thread....mango...
  
  
• From: Ramesh (@ 216.40.249.60) on: Tue Jul 22 00:26:56 EDT 2003
  
  Another 'thapichi poran' case by Mr.Paran by talking his favorite language.
  
  Ambleen wins again!
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 203.123.16.153) on: Tue Jul 22 00:30:51 EDT 2003
  
  Sorry guys..my last post on this thread..
  dei mango-fool Ramesh..meet me in other thread...
  i am not backing off yet...
  
  
• From: Ramesh (@ 216.40.249.60) on: Tue Jul 22 00:33:24 EDT 2003
  
  The 'great' Paran has run away!
  
  
• From: V (@ 141.149.235.21) on: Tue Jul 22 00:50:18 EDT 2003
  
  Ramesh
  
  why dont you run away too??
  
  Paran, please avoid the obvious fools and write only to the ones that deserve respect. You can clearly see people like Ramesh are so pathetically incapable of writing anything useless!!!
  
  Just go through this thread and it will make a strong case for that!
  
  Guys do you know if IR is doing Bala's Pithamagan?
  
  
• From: V (@ 141.149.235.21) on: Tue Jul 22 00:51:14 EDT 2003
  
  The last post shud read "You can clearly see people like Ramesh are so pathetically incapable of writing anything useful!!! "
  
  
• From: Vatsa (@ 160.83.32.14) on: Tue Jul 22 05:03:19 EDT 2003
  
  Hi All,
  
  What you guys think about IR experimentation with Thiruvasagam? My feeling is for a serious composer like him, this is the way ahead instead of doing movies alot. He should start doing some good non-filmi albums like this which even if it fails should not matter (I dont think it will be bad it might be misunderstood at worst). Also, I would like to see our people rise up and appreciate attempts like this (this will certainly raise our taste and will make us realise and appreciate classical music as well).
  
  I feel ARR should attempt some non-movie album as well. Otherwise he would be wasting his talent (the same way IR did in his composing best).
  
  Vatsa
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 165.121.128.75) on: Tue Jul 22 09:11:18 EDT 2003
  
  No great tunes from ARR in the last three years? What about
  1) Sonnalum kEtpadhillai kanni manadhu (a wonderful carnatic-based melody)
  2) AzhagE sugama (hear the superb violin bit in that song)
  3) Udhaya udhaya uLarugirEn (very gripping song)
  4) Nenjil jil jil jil (superb tune)
  5) Vellai pookal (lovely melody)
  
  On the one hand people want ARR to stop composing popular songs claiming they will fade away in five years etc (which I don't agree). On the other hand he composes some nice tunes and they say those are flops. Hmm.
  
  I believe ARR brought some freshness to the TFM scene. However, his kind of music is also becoming a little predictable in recent days. Indeed no matter how great a MD may be, eventually he will sound repetitive, IMO. Call it his style, perhaps.
  
  I am not writing about IR because he is the acknowledged king of TFM.
  
  
  
• From: V (@ 141.149.235.21) on: Tue Jul 22 14:08:28 EDT 2003
  
  Music4Ever
  
  Agreed 4 & 5 are class!
  
  However nothing compared to the hits of the 90s!
  
  Vatsa,
  
  I cant wait to hear Thiruvasagam Symphony. But as susal take it from me that the marketing will again fail in promoting Rajaa's genius!!
  
  I somehow hope this is marketed well so that the real charm is felt by everyone!
  
  By the way, does anyone know how the Thiruvasagam is structured? Is it one long work or in passages. If so, how many, how long?
  
  
• From: vatsa (@ 160.83.32.14) on: Tue Jul 22 14:52:53 EDT 2003
  
  V,
  
  I doubt it will be received properly atleast for the vocal bit. Atleast I dont understand how the tamil thiruvasagam bit (not the bg orchestra work, the vocal bit) will it be in western classical stuff? If that is the case not many will receive it in India (atleast me). I wonder how pure tamil lyrics will go with seminote kind of western classical tune (which will kill the lyrics). Is it going to be some kind of fusion or pure WCM? Anyone have any idea?
  
  Vatsa
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.131.218) on: Tue Jul 22 15:48:16 EDT 2003
  
  Vatsa,
  
  ur undermining IRs capability. he has already shown that pure tamil lyrics will go well with WCM in movies like HEYRAM, Siraichalai and in songs like thendral vanthu, ennullae, edho mogam etc.,wats there to doubt his calibre. if ur thinking abt senthamil which is otherwise known as classical tamil - i believe will go well with classical english music.
  
  BTW i heard frm a friend that the BGM in the song ilamai ennum is based on a musical form called OVERTURE which is the primitive version of OPERA.how abt that?
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Tue Jul 22 16:42:12 EDT 2003
  
  Vatsa, V, Rajasaranam
  
  Can you guys start a topic: IR's Thiruvasagam Symphony and discuss it there rather than in this, it is kind of misleading (topic wise).. just a suggestion!!
  
  
• From: V (@ 141.149.235.21) on: Tue Jul 22 17:58:57 EDT 2003
  
  Yes ARR's big problem is that other MDs (HJ, VS, YSR, D.Imann, Ranesh Vinayakam) have adopted his style of music and his music does not "stand out" of the rest of the stuff because the other MDs are producing similar sounds (lots of chords, rhythm programming, bass etc.)
  
  I am sure if Sonnalum was a part of his early 90s album, it would have been a great hit!
  
  What do you guys say?
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.57) on: Tue Jul 22 18:10:39 EDT 2003
  
  Yes V
  ARR's big problem is that other MDs (HJ, VS, YSR, D.Imann, Ranesh Vinayakam) have adopted his style of music.
  
  Thats why ARR made the such a junk albums like parasuram, udaya, KV, paravasam.Because nobody will copy from these albums and also not to listern.
  
  Instead they made like April madathil, bala, kakka kakka for his guru ARR to copy in his future albums.
  
  And the important thing is they could make those albums in a short time and with a small banner.Ok.
  
  

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