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MSV is a terrible BGM scorer..

Topic started by Awe (@ 65.69.58.115) on Sun Aug 25 21:36:09 EDT 2002.
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Today i saw Ninaithale Inikkum.. Songs were pleasing. But the BGM big ZERO from MSV. One romantic scene between Kamal and Jayapradha. What does our MSV do? He hums in the background with his terrible voice. His choice of music is awful.
IR would have had field day with these kind of scene.
Vegam Vegam pogum pogum magic... IR was truly a magical pheonmenon

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• From: peeps (@ 203.199.207.198) on: Tue Aug 27 10:02:38 EDT 2002
  
  Then who is OISG to judge "MSV fans always have a wholesome appraoch to songs"
  "MSV fans' attraction towards ARR is natural"
  these things dear whynot?
  I personally dont have any restriction to say that ARR is the most sought after MD nowadays and he is the so called number 1.period.
  And that doesnt change even a single iota of my love towards IR's music.Whoever is number one number two..any number..I dont care..There is always music to cherish and no other music makes me feel happy as IR's..
  
  
• From: WN (@ 203.24.100.137) on: Tue Aug 27 10:18:21 EDT 2002
  
  OISG is an MSV fan and he speaking for his own kind is understandable. Tat doesnt give u an excuse to make generalisations on others. It's tat simple dear peeps.
  
  "I personally dont have any restriction to say that ARR is the most sought after MD nowadays and he is the so called number 1.period."
  Tat's good to know. I've been told by some IR fans here tat in their opinions there is no no1 MD these days. Even wasted many minutes arguing wit them on this. They gave ridiculous excuses like "no big cut-outs these day" to prove their lame assertions.
  Anyway, I dont doubt ur sincerity in ur love for IR's music peeps dear.
  and i dont think any of us shud waste our time replying to another one of JJ's threads.
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Tue Aug 27 10:22:35 EDT 2002
  
  Kupps & Peeps
  
  Intha BGM mey "Invented" vishyam thane!The arguments were clearly promoted by some mags which had IR fans in the Vimarsana Kuzhu.They used it to sideline MSV when IR entered and using it to prop up IR now.If he has produced international standards in BGM why no one outside this forum is talking about it....I have followed your sensible postings and hence i know you wont argue that only people of this forum (particularly IR fans) are the most knowlwdgable ones regarding BGM.
  
  are there any international assignments worth mentioning done by IR in BGM?
  
  He did BGM for the anand Amritaraj movie ..was it of international quality? I remember that he was pulled up for his rerecording.Why should be goof up when there was a good chance to go international?
  
  Marketing,white Colour etc endrellam argue seyya maateergal endru nambugiren.
  
  According to me the whole BGM hungama , "First scenela editing top" endru solvathul pol aaagivittathu.
  
  SO
  
  intha IR BGM enbathey oru migaipaduthi sollapadugira vishayam.Athu MSV kku theriyathu endru solvathu ....poor taste and hollow argument.
  
  Hans Zimmers Broken arrow paarkumbothu kidaikum effect ..have you ever felt it watching a IR BGM ed Bhrathi Raja /Ramarajan movie?I am just saying an ordinary movie to make up your decision.
  
  
  Secondly when MSV songs discussion varumpothu there are many valuable points like Sivaji acting etc..to discuss than the "hyped up BGM".When Sivaji/SV Rangarao/MR Radha are on the screen i feel the BGM could hardly contribute to enhance the scene.Since IR did not have stalwarts in acting he had to think and implement the alternative ,the so called "BGM".My point is merely IR s BGM would not elevate a Mohan to Sivaji s level and Radhika to Savithri level.
  
  II . Coming on to similarities
  
  I am planning a separate write up/thread on this.please wait.
  
  III. My first para in the ealier post was to answer he he.The MSV fans lacked a forum earlier.Now we could argue on equal footing thanks to TFM page. Except for me and a handful of others i dont think a common MSV-ARR fan exists in this forum.So "Veezthiyavani .." -Ella Boss..MSV fan aaga mattum iruntha ennai oru Keyboardal katti pottadhu Rehman.
  
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.44.33) on: Tue Aug 27 10:22:47 EDT 2002
  
  My opinion is still not changed. Judging by some responses there are only two kind of people. IR haters and IR lovers. I guess the so called "MSV fans or (HCARRF) " left out Ramamoorthy conveniently. OISG your friend Nijam had something to say that is totally unrelated to the topic. You are defending him which clearly says that you are HCARRF too. OISG if you are a fair participant you would have criticized my opinion as well the opinion of your friend Nijam. So don't act like a smarty pant. When i say BGM means it should be present throughout the movie. I saw Padagotti, Urimaikkural, Uzaikkum Karangal, Pallandu Vazgha, Idhaykkani recently. All had good songs. But BGM it was a big zero. Those days the concept of BGM was more or less nobody gave importance to. Even in Kadhalikka Neramillai he had time to copy the "Eisenhower" song and turn it into "Viswantahan velai venum" song but nall BGM kodukka "Neramillai". No pun intended. Edhir Neechal, Sarvar Sundaram, Avargal, Moondru Mudichu, Apoorva Ragangal, Aval Oru Thodarkathai.. BGMs are very very average in those movies. According to these guys MSV is above criticism. He is a genius whom nobody can say anything about. The truth is nobody cares about him. Since they cannot stand any credit going to IR they have jumped from ARR threads to this thread. Instead of saying terrible i should have said average. But IMHO Ninaithale Inikkum was terrible along with host of other movies came in the late 70s. His BGM could have been far better. His songs are so good. No doubt about that. "Sayonra neram" was an excellent song in NI. Also the song "Ninaithale Inikkum", "Bharthi Kannamma", "Inimai Niraindha ulagam" all are gems. Do not deviate from the topic if you want to respond. I utterly disregard statements of people like Nijam who is kind of flipped. Not even a single word he write makes sense. So others can respond. Meendum Meendum kettu kolgiren. This topic is not about his Songs. You repeatedly had to bring his songs to you defense. Also for heaven's sake don't leave out Ramamoorthy.
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.44.33) on: Tue Aug 27 10:38:41 EDT 2002
  
  "Secondly when MSV songs discussion varumpothu there are many valuable points like Sivaji acting etc..to discuss than the "hyped up BGM".When Sivaji/SV Rangarao/MR Radha are on the screen i feel the BGM could hardly contribute to enhance the scene"
  
  - I disagree with you. Mudhal Mariyathai has class BGM which embellishes the scene immensely. It gives more depth. If you still say it doesn't contribute to anything i will conclude that you are a HCARRF who never likes anything IR does.
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  MSV fan aaga mattum iruntha ennai oru Keyboardal katti pottadhu Rehman. "
  
  - Well now we know how fair criticisms are.
  
  "According to me the whole BGM hungama , "First scenela editing top" endru solvathul pol aaagivittathu. "
  
  - Why do you think there are awards for Editing, Music category. "Sting" 1973 movie won the oscar for Best Music. Do you think they have songs like " Ooh lalala" in it. Not even a single song.
  When i saw the Mouline Rouge along with my friends all of us unanimously said the editing was so good. Promptly it was nominated for Oscar in the editing category. So just because you don't know what is BGM and Editing don't assume everybody is like that.
  "Intha BGM mey "Invented" vishyam thane"
  - I don't what you mean by that. BGM is a common term.
  "The arguments were clearly promoted by some mags which had IR fans in the Vimarsana Kuzhu.They used it to sideline MSV when IR entered and using it to prop up IR now.If he has produced international standards in BGM why no one outside this forum is talking about it...."
  
  - It is a twisted argument. You are putting a very bad spin on it. Baselessly you are accusing the reporters. Why would they want to sideline MSV? Infact so many guys were trying to sideline IR, because he was from a low-caste family. Hard to digest. But that was the reality.
  
  Being an Hardcore ARR fan i don't think i can expect a fair review from you OISG. I admire MSV songs. But you have nothing good to say about IR which in itself is unfair. Fair criticism means you should be able to appreciate both good and in the same breadth come down on bad things. In the topic itself i appreciated his songs. One pazamozhi my patti used to say..
  
  "Vaadadthukku marundu irukku vidandavaddathukku marundu illainnu"
  
  I don't have medicine for your "vaadam" OISG.
  
  
• From: music fan (@ 209.130.217.104) on: Tue Aug 27 11:17:00 EDT 2002
  
  
  awe, i did give some background scores examples, which you failed to notice or answer, you just compare everything close to music
  
  with "something" you know or call it the best.
  You told recording of Ninnukum sucked but you have told songs are great , many parts were used in the recording..so you are contradictory in many places.
  
  
  
  so it is you who is suffering, most of us take music as music, we dont glorfy. He is great musician - a reference book, you would know if you are a musician, simply you are not.
  
  MSV beyond comapare and way ahead of all composers of tfm
  -- S.P.Bala.
  
  I am sure spb has more taste in music to judge the proper person. MSV had catered to every director without insulting them. He clearly underplayed his way through., BGM is part of film music and msv has done it the right way. His directors were happy. Most of his fans are happy thats all./ if you dont like yes...be it.
  his bgm were good and best for the time.
  
  Let is take some real scene and discuss, seriously you have not heard msv.
  you have no clue and do not bring IR here, it does not make you his great fan. You really dont even know raja's music to talk about him
  :(
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Tue Aug 27 11:22:59 EDT 2002
  
  IR udaya international BGM patri thangalathu mela karuthu .. ..
  
  Well ..Thangaludayathu mattume! Wonder why IR keeps it with his closed circles like his own symphony.
  
  HCIRF idhya simmasanathai thavira veru ethavathu avarudaya BGM kku kidaithirukkiratha? (DMK thondanuukellam Kalaignarin Idhaya simmasanathil idam unde .. athu pola..... )Any national,asian,International recognition.....
  
  
  Yarukkume theriyatha, HCIRF of TFM forumkku mattume therintha ,antha ragasiyamana "BGM" vithai MSV kku theriyamalaye pogattum.
  
  Kshatriyan endru oru padam ..athil VK marupadiyum duty servathrkaga excercise ellam pannuvar.Anth BGM paarunga ...athuthan IR s BGM nna MSV kku BGM theriyamaleye pogattum.
  
  Mr.Awe
  
  TFMforum HCIRF thavira ethavathu recognition IRin BGMkku kidaithal ,Kidaithiruthal....I shall personally go to MSV ,tell him he is no good at BGM.
  
  Neengal seivathu Vatham alla "theeviravadham" etharkku nalla MSV pattukkal mattume marundhu.Dhinamum "Athisaya Ragam" paatai 3X 3X 3 murai ketkavum.
  
  
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.44.52) on: Tue Aug 27 11:25:49 EDT 2002
  
  "You told recording of Ninnukum sucked but you have told songs are great , many parts were used in the recording..so you are contradictory in many places."
  
  - What is contradictory?
  
  I am sure spb has more taste in music to judge the proper person.
  
  - Even KJY has appreciated IR to the hilt. Can i use the same argument of you.
  
  Your explanation is pretty weak. Come out with better points. Just because you are satisfied with his BGM you cannot ask me to be satisfied.
  
  The arguments like "you have not heard msv", "you dont even know raja's music" explain that you don't know what this topic is about. Come up with better explanations. I encourage you. Convince me.
  
  

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