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Vani Jayaram's songs

Topic started by avvaiyar (@ 203.116.61.132) on Wed Jan 27 02:29:28 EST 1999.
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I'm a new visitor to this website. I couldn't see anyone discussing about Vani Jayaram's songs.
Let me start this one.(It had been there previously pls. forgive me!)

"Ezhu swarangalukkul ethanai paadal..
Ithaya surangathul ethanai kelvi...
Vaazhum manitharukkul ethanai salanam.."

Wow! Beautiful voice!

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• From: naaz ahmed (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Oct 31 00:30:54 EST 2001
  
  Yes AVR, it that is why VJ is a Class(ical) ACT!
  I guess musicians who KNOW the SaReGa of Music prefer her to anybody else...which can't be said for most MDs or Singers today. A sad comment on the state of Indian film music in general...All this Anu-Rahmanism as I call it!
  
  Anyway, the song in the film Kaithiyin Diary was an "authentic" cabaret number as it was (I believe) picturised on Anuradha - the heir to "Silk" Smitha's sleazy throne back in the 80s.
  
  Unfortunately, I have no links to the list I provided. I have most of the songs (in my collection ) but not all...
  
  A good malayalam number (to get you hunting the net again) is from the film Rasa Leela:
  
  "Aiyeelam Paadhathu Penne...Kiliye Kilikiliye"
  
  Naaz
  
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Wed Oct 31 00:44:44 EST 2001
  
  Naaz:
  
  I agree with Anu-ism - its awful. But AR Rahman is a genius (thats the secon point we must disagree upon.)Though Rahman has been much maligned on the newtfmpage, his genius cannot be doubted.
  
  Secondly, classical musicians have worked with other singers too. They took Vani, right- but they have worked several times with other singers too.
  
  
• From: kik (@ 207.0.105.131) on: Wed Oct 31 00:45:23 EST 2001
  
  medaiyil aadidum melliya poongaatrE
  romba naaLaaga enakkoru aasai
  naanaa paaduvathu naanaa
  madanOtsavam rathyOduthaan
  azhagiya vizhigaLil arupathu kalaigaLum ezhuthiya thirumagaLE
  sugamaana raagangaLE isai sabaiyERi vaarungaLEn
  kannanai ninaithaal sonnathu balikkum
  illam sangeetham athil uLLam ponvaanam
  athO vaaraandi vaaraandi villEnthi oruththan
  pattu poochigaL vattamadithaal katti anaikkum poochchendu
  there were a couple in sattam too that I forget.
  
  
• From: kik (@ 207.0.105.131) on: Wed Oct 31 00:55:08 EST 2001
  
  Neel: I heard this song for the first time when I last visited India - it's from cinema paithiyam (remake of Guddi). As the name suggests, the story is about a girl obsessed with movies - that's the first thing I remember and always kolai pannufy the song:-)
  
  Don't aattukkaara alamElu/paalaabhishekam have some solos & duets by VJ?
  
  
• From: naaz ahmed (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Oct 31 02:46:44 EST 2001
  
  AVR,
  
  Rahman is perhaps a genius - although I would suggest that his "genius" lies more in the Orchestration of his music than the compostions themselves - and his "genius" is influenced by other forms of electronic technology. This is not a fault or lack - his melodies have appealed to millions - and yet to a discerning ear his songs can seem derivative or formally limited in their "classical" imaginings.
  But the point I was making was about "formal" training in the classical arts (music, dance, drama) - all of which are easily distinguishable from the "populist" commodification of these that are represented (collectively) in film. Indeed, many music directors with a "classical" background have used other singers besides Vani Jairam. And that is to their credit. However, one does have to acknowledge that when it has come to the essaying of an "essential" classical composition in commercial tamil/telegu/malayalam films MOST music directors have sought Vani Jairam for the task. S.Janaki, P.Suseela and Chitra are all fine singers in their own right - and I do not mean to detract in anyway from their contribution to film music. What is interesting though, is VJ's list of songs includes more classical (Karnatak style) numbers) especially solos - right from Pt. Ravi Shankar all the way to Illaiyaraja and Devarajan.
  The only reason I can come up with for this Vani Jairam is a singer with FORMAL training in both the traditions of classical music - Karnatak and Hindustani - and hence her FELICITY and GRASP of the nuances is a boon for many such songs, and those who compose them.
  
  I hope this clarifies any ambiguity that may have been part of my previous message.
  
  Now a question for you: What do you think makes Vani Jairam a unique singer? Let's get beyond adjectives like "Sweet" "Beautiful" "Lovely" to describe her voice. Of course, it is all that. But the same can apply to the other singers mentioned above. The very fact that we are pulling out songs out of the grab-bag of nostalgia - mostly from the 70s and 80s in this thread - means that these songs (and the singer) have affected us more significantly...something more than "sweet."
  
  I think it would be great to hear why people in this discussion think Vani Jairam's voice appeals to them? What are the reasons? After all, Suseela and Janaki were also part of that period and had many moving songs. Why are we here - in this thread - listing Vani Jairam's solo? What could it be about her rendition and voice that makes her a topic of such a debate. In other words: HOW does the voice of VJ AFFECT us, the way Suseela's and Janaki's does not?
  
  This, of course, assumes that participants in this thread aren't having similar discussions/and lists about other singers going on in other sites/threads.
  
  Pardon me if I am being naive.
  
  Thanks,
  
  Naaz
  
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Wed Oct 31 03:49:34 EST 2001
  
  Well Naaz, I am not a south Indian, as I have said earlier. However I have been fairly exposed to the music of the 4 southern states, though not as much as u have been.
  
  I grew up listening to Lataji's songs and Ashaji's songs. Lata's sweetness is part of my life everyday.
  
  However at the same time I do listen to greats like Vani Jairam, S Janaki and P Susheela. For classical numbers, I dont think that Janaki or Susheela were less sought after than Vani. I have enjoyed EVERY song in Shankarabharanam inclusive of Janaki's Samajavaragamana.
  
  I dont think SJ or PS,Lata or Asha LACK anything as compared to VJ, or vice versa. They are just different voices.All of them had sound training in music and were devoted to their music.
  
  Someone mentioned on another thread - where a Janaki vs Asha "fight" is going on, that comparing singers in the same league is like asking "who is a better scientist - CV Raman or Ramanujan, Chandrashekhar or H. Khurana?". I love this analogy. The contribution of each has been stupendous.
  
  In the north, Lataji and Ashaji have sung a plethora of classical songs,ghazals and bhajans,qawwalis and thumris, with many composers who had a proclivity towards classical music, and with classical ustaads as well (ravi shankar included). Even PS has an album with Balamauralkrishna - correct? I have heard its simply great. PS too has sung numerous songs for Maestro KV Mahadevan and G Ramanathan, right?
  
  And I have forgotten to mention Chitra whose light Carnatic renditions have given me much plesure.BTW Yesterday, I just managed to listen to a singer called Uma Ramanan. The song is "Poonkadhave". I have fallen in love with her voice.
  
  
• From: Sivaselvam (@ 12.108.161.34) on: Wed Oct 31 04:33:04 EST 2001
  
  VJ SOngs in sattam are
  
  Ammamma Saranam Saranam (VJ_SPB)
  Vava En Veenaya, Nizhalodu kobama (VJ_SPB)
  Other VJ duets
  
  Thangaththil Mugameduththu
  Thendralil Adum
  Naalu Pakkam Vedarundu
  Idu Iravaa pagalla
  Romba nalaaga Enakkoru Asai
  
  Naal Nalla Naal , En idhayil Ezhudum iniya
  
  
  
  Solo
  
  Kavidhai Kelungal (Punnagai Mannan)
  Nee Kettal Nan Matten Endra
  
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.94.115) on: Wed Oct 31 07:03:47 EST 2001
  
  Yaarathu Chollamal Nenjchallip Ponathu - Vani Jayaram - Shankar Ganesh - movie???
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Wed Oct 31 07:30:10 EST 2001
  
  GR:
  
  Yes thats a GRREEEEEEEEEEEEEAT song. Movie - Nenjamellam Neeye.A ghazal-like song.
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Wed Oct 31 07:34:46 EST 2001
  
  Another lovely VJ solo - "naadhamenum koviliye" from ??? tuned superbly by MSV.
  
  Its amazing to see so many classical scores in South Indian films in the 80s (a la Sindhubhairavi) and 90s (a la Swathikiranam). Classical music was used very sparingly in Hindi movies after the late 70s, though it was till used in the regional languages in the North.
  
  In Swarnakamalam, VJ has another lovely song "Andilaravamidi padamulada". And in Vaidhehi Kaathirundhaal she has sung a VERY BEAUTIFUL duet with Jayachandran.
  
  Neels, yes I heard Sugam sugam again at a high volume. Indeed the whole room brimmed with VJs voice.
  
  Can u post another link to Karuna Chaiva,Neels?That one doesnt work.
  
  
• From: yvs mani (@ 164.100.35.124) on: Wed Oct 31 07:48:39 EST 2001
  
  avr : nadhamenum kovililae - manmantha leelai
  vaidhehi kaathirunthaal pattu - indraikku En intha aanandhamae
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Wed Oct 31 08:16:30 EST 2001
  
  Has VJ ever sung for/with MS Subbalaxmi?
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 161.150.2.250) on: Wed Oct 31 08:48:39 EST 2001
  
  Naaz
  
  A query for Neel:
  
  Was there a solo by Vani Jairam in Vandichakkaram? I remember the duet: Devi Vandha Neram....something tells me that there was also a solo...am I mistaken? This memory thing is such a messy business!
  
  
  Naaz i think you are talking about 'aaniver'which has the solo 'muthu muthu therottam ennai mogam thalattum'
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 161.150.2.250) on: Wed Oct 31 08:50:22 EST 2001
  
  There is this stupid movie 'thalayanai mandhiram'(sulakshana and Pandiyan)
  MD was IR and all the songs were by VJ(and Mano).
  
  Does anyone remember what are the songs are?
  
  
• From: Neel (@ 24.163.56.201) on: Wed Oct 31 08:57:17 EST 2001
  
  The link to "Karuna cheiva" worked before I posted it. I played it several times. Now it does not work for me either.
  
  There is already a compiled list of many of VJ's songs in newtfmpage's database. http://www.newtfmpage.com/my/singer/vj.html
  
  avr,
  Neels is another gentleman. I am Neel/NeelD. "Rasikanae arugil vaa" is by S.P.Sailaja. Uma Ramanan is a great singer totally under-utilized.
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 161.150.2.250) on: Wed Oct 31 09:08:28 EST 2001
  
  Since you guys are in 'VJ'mood try these songs(if you ever can get hold of it). These are rare gems
  
  ulagengum nam veedu adhilenne ellai kodu-Pathini penn-Possibly her last song in MSV's music
  sarigamapadani enum swapthaswara raagam-raaga bandhangaL-with SPB , music by kunnakudi
  sogamthaan raagam-vasantha raagam
  thedum en parvai pen paavai-oru malarin payanam -chandrabose music
  oru pullanguzhal ennai ammavenum-thaali dhaanam-with PSuseela - MSV
  malligai poocharam minnidum mohanam-paritchaikku neramaachu -With Susheela again-MSV
  charanam saravanane aruL tharanum tamizhmagane-avaL sumangalithaan-MSV
  kaatrininile saangeetham kannan avan kuzhalnaadham-rasigan oru rasigai-Raveendran
  
  
• From: Someone From Mars (@ 144.49.154.94) on: Wed Oct 31 09:13:18 EST 2001
  
  Ramki ippadi paatu ellam vandhirukaa enna :))))
  also one more new song in 'urimai oonjaL aaduthu' music: SG
  
  

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