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Aug 15, 1992 - Freedom from IR !!!!!

Topic started by The Oracle (@ 203.127.32.40) on Thu Dec 27 03:46:50 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

On this very day, millions of ppl who watched chinna chinna aasai in DD's sirappu oliyum oliyum sighed in great relief. Freedom from IR atlast.
A month or 2 later IR gave an interview to DD in which he acted hysterical and made ppl wonder whether he has really gone mad. He also tried to write ARR off by commenting that hez a "oru pada adhisayam". ( ARR will never make such a comment about a fellow MD, in his life ).Now, we all know for sure, who had the last laugh.
IR had kept tamil music listeners in utter darkness for over two decades. Same old tunes with "thanana thanana" , "lalala lalala " and "tok tok" tabla in the background. As for BGMs, happiness means veena and sorrow means shenoy. Ask Pushpavanam Kuppusami about the number of folk songs that IR has directly lifted. And if he gets bored, he will turn to western classical music and symphonies for inspirations ( entha poovilum vaasam undu, chittu kuruvi, pootukkal pottaalum, Mouna Ragam Theme etc.. to cite a few. Visit I2FS site for more info ). Its very different from using commercially available bass loops or sound samples, FYI. And god only knows why IR is reluctant to release the so-called symphony which he did. And out of the 600 + films he did, not even 100 songs are worth a mention.
Now coming to the question of why IR fans are fanatics. Simple. When a person is kept in utter darkness for 20 odd years and suddenly exposed to light on one fine day, what will happen to him ?
The same thing is what IR fans are experiencing right now. They just cant take it. All these years they simply didnt realise that music has another dimension. And when ARR showed them that, by reflex action, they started criticizing him.
( "kaaitha maram kalladi padum " ). And the blessed ones who had already realised IRs " bad spell" were the ones who took to ARRs music like fish to water. As for the fanatics, let those ppl alone. Let them spend their lives in the darkness, which is good for them atleast, if not for us.
And i wanna take this opportunity to clarify one more thing regarding why ARRs music doesnt sound good when heard for the first time. ARR himself clarified this in an interview he gave to vikatan.
" When u like a song the first time around, it means that u had already heard a similar kind of tune before and that your mind can easily identify that pattern. Whereas in ARRs case, every composition of his is original and new, and naturally it takes time for that to sink in. Thatz why his tunes start growing on you ..."
Finally, in history we find visionaries with new ideas that are far ahead of their times, are initially denounced by their own clan. But ultimately they will leave their footprints in the sands of time. NO need to say ARR is one such great person.

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• From: suresh (@ 202.88.155.34) on: Thu Dec 27 09:08:30 EST 2001
  
  correction - in my earlier post
  
  to mention the pathetic Praveen Gandhi (Star) as a celebrity director (with the likes of Benegal & Nihalani) was an awful oversight
  
  
• From: The Oracle (@ 203.127.32.40) on: Thu Dec 27 09:19:14 EST 2001
  
  Suresh,
  The films like Thakshak, Zubeidaa, Earth, Nayak etc failed, not because of the music, but because of the films themselves. It didnt fail music wise.
  The songs of Thakshak, Zubeidaa, Dil se still stand out inspite of the failure of the films.
  
  I dont understand why u link the success of the film with the music. Duet, Rhythm, Sangamam, En swasa kaatre, Uyire etc were brilliant scores and it reflected in the casette sales too. But if the story is bad and the film doesnt do well, why blame ARR. Inspite of the failures of these films, the music has won. Thatz ARR for you.
  
  
• From: The Oracle (@ 203.127.32.40) on: Thu Dec 27 09:26:33 EST 2001
  
  I forgot to mention about prolificity. That way Deva is the most prolific scorer of all times and has delivered many hits too. When u consider the no.of hits to no.of films done ratio, whatz the big difference between Deva and IR. IR just wanted to dominate the music scene and get rid of his competition and thats why he accepted all the films that came his way. He didnt want to take risk by allowing competition. But now ARR is standing out against the most stiff competition in the music industry ever. He loves competition. Thats the mark of a true champion.
  
  
• From: MEMBER-RAAJA MUSIC UNIVERSAL (@ 168.187.168.42) on: Thu Dec 27 09:34:28 EST 2001
  
  FRENDS IM RAISING FUNDS TO TREAT ORACLE FOR HIS HANDICAPPED BRAIN.
  BE KIND AND GENEROUSLY CONTRIBUTE.
  
  
• From: Pras (@ 193.56.241.19) on: Thu Dec 27 09:37:59 EST 2001
  
  guys,
  thevayillama time waste panni philosophy pesiddu thiriyiringa ...
  namakku IR music pidichirukku, kekkuran, avalavuthan aala vidungo ...
  
  
• From: Sad To Say (@ 203.197.150.254) on: Thu Dec 27 09:38:29 EST 2001
  
  
  NagaS: I never said Ilayaraja is a bad composer or anything like that. Ilayaraja is a great composer for Tamil films and songs, and he has got all the recognition that he deserved, if not in excess.
  But what Rahman has achieved musically as well as fame-wise is incomparable.
  What A.R.Rahman has achieved is something that none of the Indian musicians has achieved and he is on the verge of universal recognition with "Bombay Dreams" and "Ekam Satyam".
  My question is why the Tamil Nadu people are reluctant to agree that A.R.Rahman is among the best composers of this era, when all other people have recognized him as a music maestro?
  And we speak about Bollywood partiality against South Indians. With people like Kamal Haasan, Rahman etc, it just seems to be the reverse.
  
  
• From: Sad To Say (@ 203.197.150.254) on: Thu Dec 27 09:41:32 EST 2001
  
  Hear what Karan Johar has to say on A.R.Rahman:
  
  K3G has three music composers, so does Johar approve of the trend of multi-composer scores? "It's the only way to get the kind of music I want. I don't think any one composer today can give me a complete music score.
  
  "I think the director must bring the cohesive element into the score. It's that way in films all over the world. I think Indian filmmakers had adopted a unique method of getting a total score from one lyricist and music composer because they had the talent and versatility... Today, we don't have the composers to give us everything all at once.
  
  "I think I'll have to work with a new set of composers for my next film. The only music composer from the current lot who will be remembered for a long time is AR Rahman."
  
  LINK -> http://www.hometrade.com/htmore.jsp?pgid=life|topstory&pgval=1473919
  
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Thu Dec 27 09:52:10 EST 2001
  
  Oracle, jus for the record, i'm an arr fan.
  
  >>IR had kept tamil music listeners in utter darkness for over two decades. Same old tunes with "thanana thanana" , "lalala lalala " and "tok tok" tabla in the background.<<
  U seem to miss the point that IR was popular bcos his music was (and is) truly cherished. He did not place tn people under a spell in order for them to listen to his music.
  
  >>And the blessed ones who had already realised IRs " bad spell" were the ones who took to ARRs music like fish to water.<<
  That's the stupidest thing i've seen for some time. Well, i took to arr like fish to water, but i can still appreciate ir's music that i used to enjoy in the post-arr era.
  
  >>now ARR is standing out against the most stiff competition in the music industry ever<<
  That's one of the rare things u have said which makes some sense.
  
  What i find amusing about u, is that u sound like some arr-haters, except an ir-hater version. U seem to have completely forgotten u have just personally attacked ir meaninglessly as well. Good luck for ur 'let's-annoy-ir-fans' mission. U seem to be doing a good job. :-)
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Thu Dec 27 10:01:48 EST 2001
  
  When i talk about arr-haters, one example is the: MEMBER-RAAJA MUSIC UNIVERSAL (@ 168.187.168.42) who goes around posting total crap in all threads. (Oracle, u pale in comparison. If u want to be a total waste & a complete loser, learn from this guy)
  Looks like arr fans r a more tolerant lot.
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.199.209.81) on: Thu Dec 27 10:10:30 EST 2001
  
  <>
  
  that is really a news to me.
  
  may be arr's music made you like that?
  
  mahabs
  
  
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Thu Dec 27 10:17:40 EST 2001
  
  Sad to say,
  
  Do nothies accept ARR a better composer than naushad & burmans and others?. DO they? they wont.
  Same is the case in south.
  
  Dont say bombaydreams and ekam satyam as great achivements!. Bombay dreams is about bollywood and no wonder bollywood's no 1 MD is a co-composer. (why sekar kapoor use ARR for elizabeth??). MJ uses 101 small time artists in his albums, ARR happens to be one.
  I dont deny ARR cant make a standalone world music album, we have to wait and see.
  
  IR's music revolves around carnatic, tamil folk and WCM. We cant expect eskimo's to appreciate that. No single person can take a art of one culture to other.
  
  Great Deeds of bradman, sachin are known only in cricket world. We cant expect some gum chewing baseball kid in US to appreciate them.
  
  
• From: Saran (@ 64.220.209.214) on: Thu Dec 27 12:00:05 EST 2001
  
  well said kk... But i doubt these guys will understand these.....
  
  
• From: Guffaw (@ 203.199.232.56) on: Thu Dec 27 12:09:30 EST 2001
  
  Oracle :
  
  You have missed most of Suresh's post and picked up only what you think is favourable to you. Your argument about IR accepting all songs to keep away competition is laughable. If Sachin faces 29 of 30 deliveries on the trot, is it because he is scared that he will lose his place to Ganguly? Au contrare! He probably makes 45 runs off those 29. OTOH, if Dravid faces 7 deliveries in 20 minutes, he makes, if he is lucky, 5 runs. But he does not worry about the competition. He welcomes the challenge. Now think clearly for a moment and pass your judgment. Is Dravid better than Sachin? Oh! by the way, when you say competition, do you include jokers like Deva and SAR? If you are, pal, you and ARR are better off just keeping quiet.
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 207.75.241.78) on: Thu Dec 27 12:13:01 EST 2001
  
  Oracle,
  Yes we don't have a 100 songs that we can remembe from his 600+ films, I was wondering does 2000 songs count, they sure ar e more than 100 but you only want a 100.
  
  If TN viewers were in dark, remember that they will be in dark only if someone keeps them in dark. How come they were still in darkness when Raja gave hits like Nandavana theru, Kaathal Kaavyam, Kaathalikku mariyathau, Hey Ram , Kaasi. etc... shouldn't they be more enlightened and rejected the music of these movies,. Forget TN you have insulted the whole of telugu film community, who to this day worship IR.
  
  I don't know how much you know about music. if you have ever watched Disney's animated Movies or any other animated full length movies, you will realise that they have the same music for all similar kinds of situations. Most banal kind of creativity. IR has revolutionised world music with BGM's no one has ever thought of. And ARR hardly has any contribution towards this area. Just to give you a hint of how advanced IR was , watch Terminator 2 Judgement Day , observe the BGM, you will realise that it is the same music composed by IR for movies like Shiva (telugu),
  Ithayathaai Thirudaathey etc.. . I would call that lifting on part of T2's composer. He is generations ahead of music and you are passing petty comments about his music.
  
  Even today I think Ninu Kori Varnam ... is the best song composed for any movie in the world. You are talking about dimensions, this one song is enough for you to tell you the definitions of dimensions. This was done 15 years ago and no other MD has been able to achieve that even now, with all the new dimension that ARR has given.
  
  And surely you have not grown with IR's music since you will not make such comments like these.
  
  
  
  
  Jag
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.49.156) on: Thu Dec 27 15:17:24 EST 2001
  
  dear oracle,
  looking at the way all his recent releases have been flops in tamil, will you be opening another thread next year called-Aug 15, 2002 - Freedom from ARR?..
  
  

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