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What do we want from IR in future ?

Topic started by Natarajan (@ pryout.mecon.com) on Wed Mar 11 14:49:39 EST 1998.
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Being the resposible fans of IR, shall we define what we want from IR in future ?

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• From: Praveen (@ dneiper.isr.umd.edu) on: Tue Apr 20 13:55:54 EDT 1999
  
  Raj,
  chinna Vayasula Essay writing competitionla ellam romba kalanthukiteengala :-))))
  
  
• From: Praveen (@ dneiper.isr.umd.edu) on: Tue Apr 20 13:57:53 EDT 1999
  
  oops sorry for the double posts. My first one
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Tue Apr 20 13:59:50 EDT 1999
  
  Praveen: Fortunately, no :))
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Tue Apr 20 14:01:22 EDT 1999
  
  Oops , Five hours of effort has gone into old responses :((.
  If anyone happens to come here, please do go into the old responses for a heated argument :)))
  
  
• From: lottu (@ global22.citicorp.com) on: Tue Apr 20 14:03:01 EDT 1999
  
  Praveen, ippo enna Raj-ukku vayasu romba aayidicchu appadeenu solreengala ?
  
  
• From: raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Tue Apr 20 14:05:41 EDT 1999
  
  Pae Uncle! Enna romba naala aala kaanom!
  Uncle ungalukku 50 vayasuna enakku oru 25 vayasAVATHU irukkum illai? 25 vaysula irukkarache 10,15 vayasu appo irunathu ellam chinna vayasunu thaan solvaanga :))
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp01.sprint.com) on: Tue Apr 20 14:24:57 EDT 1999
  
  Raj,
  
  kOdhaala erangaNumaa vEndaamaannu neenda yosanaikku appuram ---- logic can and should go only so far when it comes to arts (music). You cannot determine what you like/dislike merely based on brains and ignore the heart. Whichever, measure I use, once my natural instincts surface, I conclude (IMNSHO) KK is quite ordinary compared to Guru (now) or Agni Nakshatram (past).
  
  Statistically, one cannot compare SG with Deva because during SG's time, their competition was prolific, original and consistently good, namely IR. However, in the case of Deva, he is prolific in copying, his competition is not prolific and definitely not consistently good or original. But, to a large extent, both Deva and SG had similar approach to their music - Xerox is better than Yamaha or Roland.
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Tue Apr 20 14:36:37 EDT 1999
  
  rajaG: Well, coming from you, I have no qualms in accepting KK is mediocre. Even without the Guru or AN reference. Because, you are fairly[here, by saying fairly ,I am insuring against future slips by you:)) ] objective. But when someone can accept mediocre albums of an earlier period and simply deride KK because it is new, well, I just pointed out the irony to him. Politely. I didnt laugh at him :))) . What do you say? KK sucks in comparison to Kadhannayagan, Paruva malar and ramayi vayasukku vanthutta?
  I thought of starting S-G copy aditha paadalgal-and I have a fairly comprehensive list- thread but then decided they didnt deserve it :)).
  
  Well, I was in the midst of an attempt at self-imposed exile from the DF and was forced to break it yet again on the first day:)))
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.144) on: Wed Apr 21 01:06:40 EDT 1999
  
  Oops, it scrolled to two pages since I wrote last yesterday!
  
  Raj & IP!
  I'm afraid the song `Poo poothathai' does not require a discussion of such a long length because it is just a VERY POOR REMAKE OF THE MALAYALAM ORIGINAL!!!!!!
  
  Nadodikkatru, a massive Mohan lal hit was remade in Tamil as KN and accordingly, the GRRRRREATTT song `Vaishaga sandhye' also got remade, albeit in a very very very poor way! (I love, cherish, adore the original song, especially the Chitra version - there's also a KJY version- and used to even enjoy singing this aloud!!!! Even in the days when I was just learling Malayalam, I could recite this song 100%)
  
  The MD of Nadodikatru is Shyam (who also tuned some great melodies for some Mouli movies in Tamil which includes `Ival devadai' and `Anandha raagam' both in the movie Vaa Indhappakkam).
  
  Hence, the past discussion is quite a waste of energy, IMO, due lack of information as to the original!
  
  And Chandy: My knowledge as to the TFM after 91 is very weak due to the following reasons:
  a) Hectic career b) Marriage, respo as to wife and son c) addl. responsibilities taken up in religious work
  
  Hence, I just can't listen to radio any longer. Moreover, since I live in Kerala, not much opportunity to listen to TFM automatically (bus, tea shop etc.) So I just listed the cassettes that I have and those I could listen to. May be there are more and I don't know. I'm much better knowedgable in 80's music (college and bachelor days).
  
  IP:
  My comments about S-G is not just based on Pattuvanna rosa. I can cite many such numbers. But I abstain as that does not contribute to this thread at all. But one thing common between both S-G and Deva is their shamelessness in deliberate, voluntary copying to make songs popular. That has never been a feature of MSV, KVM, IR or even ARR.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.144) on: Wed Apr 21 01:10:57 EDT 1999
  
  Typo:
  learling to read learning
  respo as to wife shoud read respo toward wife
  Sorry
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Wed Apr 21 01:23:08 EDT 1999
  
  Eden: I knew someone would say comparing KN anD KK was futile. That was why I put in the following lines in my previous post:
  "But KK was certainly superior to KN in terms of orchestration. Obviously this is what I meant. Just try listeneing to the hopeless interludes of poo poothathai and then form an opinion. I have nothing against CB. But by no stretch of imagination can I accept his total lack of imagination in arranging the orchestra and poor interludes . "
  
  2." And to those who are thinking of advising me that it is silly of me to make such an obviously poor comparison, let me point out KN is an aagu peyar for all those obscure 80's albums which IP holds dear (possibly for nostalgic reasons..ofcourse this includes a few IR albums too!). My point is why not apply the objective parameter to the time period of a song as well."
  
  
  Well, that sums it up. I dont waste words, or energy,Eden ..:-))). I have raised atleast two valid questions in the last few posts. Ofcourse in the flurry of posts you might have missed reading these lines...:-)).
  Now that the cat is out of the bag w.r.t the tune of the song as well, I wonder what IP has to say !
  
  
  
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.144) on: Wed Apr 21 01:56:33 EDT 1999
  
  No Raj, what I meant was if the origin has been identified, at least some time of yours could have been saved. It's just out of concern for your precious time:-)))))
  
  Another typo: Shyam's Vaa indhappakkam song is Anandha dhaham and not ragham. `Anandha dhaham, un koonthal pookkal theerkkumo?'
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Wed Apr 21 03:33:17 EDT 1999
  
  Eden: :))
  I mean actually KN is simply an aagu peyar. It was just a representative of CB songs. I am sure there are original songs of CB as well. My point was for these songs as well. Poo poothathai was an aagu peyar for these songs. Or are u implying that every song of CB was not original?:)))
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ slip-32-101-16-191.il.us.ibm.net) on: Wed Apr 21 07:28:33 EDT 1999
  
  Raj :
  Just points things to ponder!...
  You have told KK has good orchestration, if that is true, you
  (need to )(do not know) what a real orchestration is -- in KK raja has used many ready made canned drum loops and bass loops-- I don't expect Raja to use these kinds of ready made patterns like ARR.... some claimed ARR is trying to be like IR in Padaiappa!...but in KK - techinically it is the other way around.
  
  Also -- why the heck he sings, asks his daugther to sing etc etc,
  
  -- MOUNA ragam, Nayagan etc - you will see a classiy Raja --- where did that Raja go?
  
  If the same quality of music comes from ARR - many here will trash him into pieces, just bcos it is from IR you are liking it... IMO - the bottom line : KK sucks in scoring, Raja goes below his Par, he falls into the canned music trap. I prefer IR to retire like MJ with pride instead of making fool of himself. A genius should be treated like one, to achieve this on his part, he should behave or perform like one.
  
  Only one good point about KK is recording qualilty, which is much much better now.
  
  finally
  Are you in the bench?
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.145) on: Wed Apr 21 08:20:46 EDT 1999
  
  Srikanth - same question again : Did you have a chance to listen to Manam Virumbuthe Unnai? No IR singing, no Bhava singing (except humming in one song which is OK) and the orchestration is excellent IMO - the best in Edho Edho. Why don't you try a chance? If not Kamadhenu, you may find IR an Amudha surabhi!!!
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.144) on: Wed Apr 21 10:01:16 EDT 1999
  
  srikanth,
  though the song sung by bhava 'alai meedhu' could have been better if it had been sung by someone else like swarna, i thought the tune itself was very melodious(sudha dhanyaasi?) and the violin orchestration ( a short piece is played on violins in 2 different scales - great effect) was vintage raja. what do u think?
  
  i too felt the same about the hariharan songs, which sounded lifeless to me. the pushpavanam kuppuswamy and the ila arun song also did not quite impress me. but alai and meedhu and the song by raja were good. koni pesu,is a melodious tune frm raja and is a welcome change from the usual 'thathuva'/soga type songs that raja has been singing for title songs these days.
  
  
• From: raju (@ pcthnt006.lgu.ac.uk) on: Wed Apr 21 10:06:37 EDT 1999
  
  what was the tamil remake of 'nadodi kattru', please?
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Wed Apr 21 10:12:26 EDT 1999
  
  Srikanth: You dont understand, do you? No, you dont want to understand. Well, since you seem to take great pleasure in pointing out that I lack knowledge in music, something which I never have failed to point out myself(even when people seemed to think otherwise, I was the first to dispel such a notion:)) ), I will point out that despite my repeated efforts, you are
  1.Either not reading my psots and simply repeating whatever you say...did u read my psots closely? You are saying exactly yhe ame thing u said yesterday .Why did u need to post again for that?
  
  2. If u have read closely my posts yesterday, I am sad to inform you you have grossly misunderstood it. But I rather believe you havent gone through my posts .instead u just come in and post whatever u want to then address it to the most recent poster who has taken ur name. That can never be good discussion, Srikanth.
  
  
  I never said KK had good orchestration absolutely, FYI. I said it was better in orch. compared to Kadhanayaga. If u have heard KN, you'll remember the
  
  "ToinnnnNNN....Todanto toinnnnnnnn ..todanto..toinnnnn..todanto toiiiinnnnnn...."
  which was the interlude for that particular song. I said that readymade or no readymade, KK was certainly better in terms of orch. to this non-song. But you dont read others' posts closely, do you? Look, I never said I liked KK. Infact I very nearly accepted KK sucks...but that doesnt mean it is inferior to the horrible flicks of 80's.
  Secondly, it is not I who am blindly liking anythingin the name of Raja. It is people like you who ae blindly attacking Raja , perhaps for personal reasons. The fact that you are an accomplished musician yourself and many people hold you in awe here(including me) kept me from trying to point out your inconsistencies all these days. But what the heck :If you can blindly attack Raja, dont I have the right to atlaest politely point out your inconsistencies?. I rather think I will, even if Vijays and Srinaths come and advise me to exercise restraint in view of the fact that despite your eccentricities you contribute a lot to this forum and hence should be spared of criticism.
  
  Again yestrday I had asked you to consider that you , Srikanth ,need not keep bashing Raja to maintain objectivity in this forum. Because what you say is taken seriously. And in the name of replying to unnecessary praise on Raja, you are repeatedly heaping unnecessary abuse on him. I told you it hurts me and people like Srinath, Eden But you would much rather bother about the feelings of ARR Fans and Kuzhappams, then so be it. Amen. Continue your Raja bashing.
  One request: Please atleast try to read through, if not understand what I have written before simply addressing monotonous same old replies to me. I am tired of anticipating your questions and answering them in your original post itself only for you to ignore that and come up with the same question again. I am sick and tired of this cycle.
  
  
• From: Mr.Kuzapam (@ 206.139.13.152) on: Wed Apr 21 11:17:16 EDT 1999
  
  Hi Raj,
  You argument looks good, but you know what I prefer thirukural rathar than Kambaramayanam,
  I really like the way you use to post, but for sometime now your postings have become nose crying than arguments.
  
  Srikant issue:
  I would take the liberty to say most of us know Srikant here, he is pretty straight forward person in his postings. Let me tell you something, I emailed and spoke to this guy srikant, IMO he sounded like cool guy and a cool musician too -- loves and knows more about IR scores more than anyone else here. I tried to pull his leg and tried to dig him for sometime, He told me he is a great MSV and IR fan, gave me few examples for MSV scores that I have noted till now. He also told about few IR's score which were placed somewhere behind the main score, I have never noticed these things before
  If you had observed off late my blind IR bashing has come to halt.
  
  Many of us here are also sick and tried of 3 page /4 page postings. Do not drag me into your fight.
  
  Thanx
  
  

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