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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

1.Vedha:i know he always go for a hindi tune in his films(mostly for Modern theatres).No alterations! he just copy a full hindi song !

best examble:Manam ennum medai mele(Gil tho ye kulu yahag)

2.MSV: i hear that(from Sujatha's book"Neerkumiligal") "thulluvatho elamai" was a song copied from english to almost all famous indian langages.Is there any other songs MSV copied?

3.Illayaraja:Even the GOD of MUSIC Raja sir did some thing like this.He just used that "I love you"style from BOneyM Sunny for "darling darling"in priya.I have heard a totally same song like "Kanavu kanum valkkai yavum" in Hindi also.(i forgot the film).

and i dont know who is the MD for the song"ehu pal vadiyum mugam! ethai parpathu than sugam".But i heard the same song in an english film.

4.ARR : i was told from my friends that he did copying intelligently.drum beats and some music styels from cassettes like "enigma,ace of base".And the humming before the song "thillana thillana" is a 100%copy from the film"the island of Dr.Mozeru".

5.SA Rajkumar : a lot of help from hindi! best example "mallikai puve malligai puve parthaya" from "didi tera thevaru thevana"

5.DEVA:hee..hee..the master.(better we see how many songs he did on his own instead of seeing how many songs he copied!)

like wise there is a lot of songs are copied from Tamil to Hindi also..

Now its your turn friends....

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• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Sun May 7 19:55:08 EDT 2000
  
  well deva says "iam not in this business to achieve anything, iam here to just earn my money"
  that sums it up.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Tue May 9 12:15:13 EDT 2000
  
  what happened to everyone?
  
  RajaG, Srikanth, bb and others, what's up with the site?
  
  
• From: bb (@ franck.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Tue May 9 13:19:37 EDT 2000
  
  vijay, wait please:-) i was out of town last week. give me some time to do something about this.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ kcecfp01.sprint.com) on: Fri May 19 13:57:09 EDT 2000
  
  I think the song "kataaLan kaattu vazhi..." from kizhakku seemaiyile (duet with SJ's voice) by ARR has been "heavily inspired" from thaazhaiyaam poo mudichchu from baagappirivinai.
  
  Vijay/bb: Do you have these songs? I have both but am clueless about loading onto RA/mp3 etc.
  
  
• From: haris. (@ inet-fw3-o.oracle.com) on: Fri May 19 14:12:23 EDT 2000
  
  aruvA manayil narukkkuriyE (azhagana raksh.. mudhalvan )= thalayai kuniyum thAmarayE..
  
  though both are of the same raga.. this but exactly fits in.
  
  
• From: Naveen (@ proxy2o.dpn.deere.com) on: Fri May 19 14:25:35 EDT 2000
  
  There is a funny Song which starts like this
  'I married a Female Wresler'...
  Our 'Kalyaana samayal saadham' song is heavily inspired by this song (or may be its ancestors!)
  If anyone knows info about this song, pls. let me know.
  
  Naveen
  
  
• From: Superbug (@ goliath5.primary-server.net) on: Mon May 22 10:21:43 EDT 2000
  
  Ayyoooo.....
  
  Chinna Veedu "chittu Kuruvi"=Antonin Dvorak "from the new world".
  
  Check http://www.muthamil.com
  Isai>Inspirations
  
  
• From: test (@ hybrid-024-221-070-185.detroit.speedchoice.com) on: Mon May 22 11:47:37 EDT 2000
  
  test
  
  
• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Mon May 22 12:34:45 EDT 2000
  
  Theme music of mouna rAgam is copied Love Theme from Flashdance.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Mon May 22 13:00:38 EDT 2000
  
  pg:
  
  are you referring to "what a feeling" from flashdance ? If it is so, I totally disagree.
  
  
• From: Sridhar Seetharaman (@ 86.newark-23-24rs.nj.dial-access.att.net) on: Mon May 22 13:41:54 EDT 2000
  
  "Love Theme" is an instrumental song from Flashdance.
  
  Yes. indeed. The pattern is 90% same. Notes have been changed though.
  
  
• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Mon May 22 14:21:57 EDT 2000
  
  MS :
  Sridhar Seetharaman explains it.
  
  Love Theme is a piano-based instrumental piece. I haven't heard it in 10 years but if I remember it right it is the third piece on the cassette (side A).
  
  mouna rAgam's theme music is clearly lifted from this piece.
  
  Other raja lifts :
  
  pootukkal pOttAlum (kshatriyan) is derived from 'My Favourite things' - The Sound of Music.
  
  First song (in bus) in the film yAthra (malayAlam - balu mahEndra)is fully copied from 'My Favourite things' - The Sound of Music.
  
  chittukuruvi vetkappadudhu - third movement from New World Symphony (Antonin Dvorak)
  
  veetukku veetukku vASappadi vEnum (kizhakku vAsal) - First Movement Mozart's Symphony No 25 (also copied in Titan's ad music about 10 years back).
  
  
• From: Naveen (@ proxy2o.dpn.deere.com) on: Mon May 22 14:57:20 EDT 2000
  
  
  Yeah I checked 'Love Theme' from Flash Dance.
  you can find a midi file in this site.
  
  http://www.fast.net.au/tashjian/index.html?music.html
  
  There are some traces. May be if we play the tune in reverse ( or change the notes in random order), it may sound like 'Mouna Ragam' theme music. :)
  
  Naveen
  
  
• From: Krishnamurthy (@ esboaav.ceatlabs.okstate.edu) on: Mon May 22 16:11:16 EDT 2000
  
  I heard this piece too, and thought they were the same. I think that piece was 'inspired' in that it was used to sync with similar 'love-scenes' in the film. I mean they have similar use in the film. Even the theme from love story sounds very familiar when u hear mouna raagam. I can see only this similarity, but there is some fresh 'raja' thing there thats not in the inspired pieces.
  And same tune played with harmonica (is it called leitmotiv ? - whenever u use the same tune to remind u of a person or place) whenever karthik enters the scene sounds so much different. And the same tune when revathy asks for a divorce....
  its a classic!
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Mon May 22 16:51:35 EDT 2000
  
  To me only the santham sounds similar. The chords I hear in mouna ragam are totally different. (I think it goes for a scle change..)
  
  
• From: Superbug (@ proxy2.spaceproxy.com) on: Mon May 22 18:57:12 EDT 2000
  
  Flash Dance piece with Mouna Ragam--konjam remotaa thaan erukku resemblance.
  
  but as far the "chittu kuruvi vetkapaduthu" song goes--99% thazhuval mathiri ullathu.
  
  !
  
  
• From: Naveen (@ pppa62-resaledavenport1-3r7231.saturn.bbn.com) on: Mon May 22 19:50:43 EDT 2000
  
  Today, when I was going thro my old Piano book, I found another piece somewhat similar to 'Mouna Ragam' Theme. The Title is 'Romance sans Paroles' composed by Gabriel Faure. The Pattern is almost the same. This piece is supposed to be played fast. when you slow down, you'll get Mouna Ragam feel.
  It is in Natural scale but lot of accidentals. That gives the beauty.
  Most of the Romantic songs have some kind of similarity. For example if you take Chopin's piano pieces, the progression is entirely different than others. His compositions are real romantic.
  
  Naveen
  
  
• From: Naveen (@ pppa62-resaledavenport1-3r7231.saturn.bbn.com) on: Mon May 22 20:26:06 EDT 2000
  
  PG,
  
  The starting of 'Veetukku Veetukku vaasappadi venum' song is very close to 'Grand Father's Clock' song.
  
  check this site for 'Grand Father's Clock' song. (Midi File)
  
  http://www.midistudio.com/Studios/B-Tubb/Files.htm
  
  Yes, what you said is correct. Whatever it is, Mozart's 25th Symphony is the Parent (Base Class!)
  
  Naveen
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.123) on: Mon May 22 21:05:09 EDT 2000
  
  Naveen,
  I was taught that song in my 5th std. in music classes. I remember having noticed a slight resemblance between this and the veetukku song. but the tune quickly changes after the opening line. also the beat has been changed to adi(8-beat) in the tamil version.
  
  Naveen, pl. try to see whether u have the 'punnagai mannan' theme original somewhere;)
  
  
• From: Vijay Venkatraman J (@ 202.9.146.13) on: Mon May 22 23:14:57 EDT 2000
  
  I am sorry friends! I think all these sources show only very weak traces of similarity which might have been incidental and not intentional! Also similar pattern doesn't mean similar notes! Please forgive me if I've told something wrong!
  Yours,
  Vijay.
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 12.10.193.122) on: Tue May 23 04:05:27 EDT 2000
  
  'the kanavu kaanum vaazhkai yaavum' is from a balumahendra movie starring tyagarajan, radhika - neengal kettavai.
  
  the original is composed (i think) by shankar jaikishen from the Manoj Kumar hit, upkar, the original goes...'kasme vaade...'.
  
  this is a case of (damn it) note to note copying, something like what deva occasionally does!
  
  
  
• From: Kamesh (@ hlr-81-238.tm.net.my) on: Tue May 23 04:54:47 EDT 2000
  
  the song is meraa jeevan koraa kaagaz. Not kasmae vaadhae.
  
  
• From: suresh (@ dedicated-149.chn.vsnl.net.in) on: Tue May 23 06:58:39 EDT 2000
  
  kamesh - no, it is kasme vaade..
  karthik - ..like what deva "occasionally" does???
  
  
• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Tue May 23 08:18:09 EDT 2000
  
  Many of the songs I mentioned are not 100% lifts but are derived from the original.
  
  Ex
  
  'veettukku veettukku vAsappadi vEnum' phrase is opening of first movement of Mozart's 25th symphony. After that the song follows a totally different path. (Not that anybody can copy a symphony 100% and make a tamil song with pallavi/anupallavi/saranam.)
  
  Ditto with chittukkuruvi vetkappadudhu - based on a small opening piece of Dvorak's New World Symphony (third movement) but developed in a new manner. 80% of the pallavi is derived, rest is different. Big difference : the symphony is melodic while the song is mostly a rhythimic dance track.
  
  None of the songs are completely copied : but nevertheless they have their source outside of rAjA and as HCIRFans it is our duty to acknowledge that.
  
  
• From: Madhan (@ 202.41.117.3) on: Tue May 23 08:38:45 EDT 2000
  
  Dear Karthik, the "kasme vade" song has been discussed enough - it was composed by Kalyanji-Anandji and the tune was given to IR in exchange for "Ilaya nila" from Payanangal Mudivadhillai which KA used in Kalaakar for the song "Nile nile ambar par" sung by Kishore Kumar...
  So, it is not a case of note-to-note copy like Deva - instead it was mutual exchange for another tune of IR
  
  
• From: !Superbug (@ goliath5.primary-server.net) on: Tue May 23 10:39:10 EDT 2000
  
  Madhan,
  Will it be possible for you to authenticate your claim?
  Any resources?
  
  Thanks.
  
  !
  
  

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