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IR with MR again?!

Topic started by Vijay Venkatram J (@ 202.54.33.170) on Fri Jul 6 05:24:48 EDT 2001.
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Dear Friends,

Yesterday's Maalai Malar Cinema Malar (July 5, 2001) says that MR and IR are joining again as if it is a confirmed news and that the hero will be Surya. The same news was put up in www.tamilcinema.com too. What do you all think about the reality of this news?

Hope this becomes true!

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• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Tue Jul 10 00:35:18 EDT 2001
  
  Hari...we've got to admit that song and dance sequences can spoil the entire seriousness of a film...For eg. I was watching Citizen the other day...the songs slowed down what otherwise could have been a racy plot..of course the director also bungled up in the way he has handled it...
  
  Bharath has a point there when he says that if we weren't used to it we would find it funny...I meet a lot of people from other countries and cultures and they do find our cinema funny with the song and dance sequences....I for one don't mind it as long as there is a class to it...you can find this in Shankar's MR's and some of Vasanth's films..
  
  .hmmm I wonder how it'd have looked if Leonardo di Caprio and Kate Winslet had a song and dance sequence for the "My Heart will go on" number on the Titanic with background dancers and all...
  
  
• From: Normal Man (@ 1cust31.tnt2.mel2.da.uu.net) on: Tue Jul 10 00:54:43 EDT 2001
  
  cosmicfan and bharath avargale, going by your arguments and logic, if they were true, there would have been no popular sons ever in TFM or rather IFM, and hence no famous MD's, hence no MSV-IR-ARR, hence no IR-ARR sandai and hence no TFM forum.
  
  The base and platform on which the Indian movies are built are far far different from the western ones. Can you imagine a scene wherein Ramarajan & Kanaga making out the Titatic way in a maatuvandi ?? It will be groce. So will be trying to equate IFM with the western world.
  
  Also give me a break when you say Vasanth and Shankar picturize the songs well. Both do it bad in their own ways. Shankar adds a lot of graphic gimmicks, thinking it will look good. But finally it will scuk like "kanodu kaanbathelam" or "mudhalvane". If you had said Balu Mahendra or Mani or Mahendran I would agree with it.
  
  Whatever happens, anyday I would preferand continue eating vadai & sambar rather than a subway sandwidch. Vadai dipped in sambar might look funny to a westener, but "looks are deceptive". Bharath try some sensible logic next time :-)
  
  
• From: eden (@ dialpool-210-214-5-242.maa.sify.net) on: Tue Jul 10 01:39:33 EDT 2001
  
  songs r artificial in movies. If we didnt get used to it we wud probably laugh at it
  
  Let's see if MR (or Shankar or KB or BR or BM or abc) can make a hit of a movie without songs!
  
  That way I would call 90% of any movie (any lang / country) artificial! (They are rather meant to be like that, to entertain people...reality is what we experience 24 hrs a day 365 days a year and one wants to relax seeing make-believe things on media -away from reality.)
  
  OTOH, there are many real-life situations where music is blended with life. One is thAlAttu, an EVERY DAY ASPECT in homes with children. If some crazy guys (if you want, replace this with westerners) can't tolerate songs on films, it's their problem and not the other way around. After all who in TN bothers about what an american wants to see on screen? Huh!
  
  
• From: eden (@ dialpool-210-214-5-242.maa.sify.net) on: Tue Jul 10 01:48:06 EDT 2001
  
  I read somewhere that many people in India found `Titanic' too long and dragging (not my opinion BTW, I liked the movie very much watching on CDs) and a no. of theaters screened edited (means portions CUT OFF) versions. If someone abroad laughs at movies with songs, Indians too feel the same about theirs!
  
  Most videos shown on MTV / V channel as top 10, 20 etc. are IMHO outright JUNK!! Okay, that's their taste and this is ours..nothing to feel great or bad.
  
  However, on the technology part, I agree we are way behind and we should catch up. On culture & taste? Nothing is greater with them!
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ atlwebproxy1.core.hp.com) on: Tue Jul 10 03:03:58 EDT 2001
  
  ha....eden neththi valikkudhu...ippidiya neththi adi adikkaradhu??
  
  btw if the songs are artificial then why should they stay even in background? i don't think, in real life if some event happens then an asareeri(means a bodyless, voice/sound alone) is singing in the background? isn't it also an artificial thing?
  
  take an example of padayappa; showing rajini as raising from downtrodden to a big industrialist our indian film makers spent only 5 minutes with just a vaazhkkayil aayiram thadaikkalappa. if this song weren't there then it would be bit more difficult to depict this situation.
  
  also, if hero and heroine are in love, to show their emotion its not totally absurd to show a song sequence with kanavu devadhaigaL singing in the background.
  
  cosmician, i agree with you regd. the citizen song sequence. It is not due to the song that sequence got spoilt. It is due to the wrong thinking of putting a song in that point. There is a lot of difference in these two statments.
  
  what becomes stale is always showing only veLLai udai dhevadhaigaL for all sorts of love songs. But as such songs are not stale, atleast for the Indian culture. The root can be traced to stage dramas, kathakaalakshepam etc in which a big piece of information is given in recitation of few stanzas.
  
  Normal man even in one or two occasions Mahendra's picturization of songs were "too much". i would go with the way senorita i love you is picturized in Jhonny but definitely not aasaya kaaththula thoodhu vittu. It looks awkward. It should not be "always put the songs in background" mania. In our country even the classical dancer who performs in stage to show his/her dancing ability does "lip movement" for the song even though audience know that it is not sung by the dancer. But giving a lip movement while dance is a part of bhavam, it shows that you are dedicated/devouted to what you are doing.
  
  But wait...could anybody point out how my points above are related with the thread? ;-)
  
  My apologise for digression.
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163) on: Tue Jul 10 04:25:00 EDT 2001
  
  hi
  
  there is nothing 'natural' in any movie. or for that matter in any art form.
  
  the artists try to simulate a feeling of realization not reality itself.
  
  bgm itself is artificial. do we hear any instruments when a person walks or cries?
  
  a movie should make one realize something. or it should make forget something, in which we call it as an entertainment.
  
  whether movies are for entertainment only is debatable.
  
  anbudan
  mahabs
  
  
• From: doubter (@ 208-142-210-30.jdedwards.com) on: Tue Jul 10 12:46:03 EDT 2001
  
  Good to see lot of people springing up and making it clear that Hollywood is NOT the benchmark of movie making. Nobody sets the standard for the way in which movies should be made.
  
  
• From: raja-visiri (@ 15.ppp1-4.odn.worldonline.dk) on: Tue Jul 10 14:55:14 EDT 2001
  
  Hi guy's
  I would say EDEN that you are too quick. BM had done the movie "Veedu" without songs and it was a hit movie
  
  
• From: hari (@ 216.141.67.251) on: Tue Jul 10 15:02:48 EDT 2001
  
  There is one standard that Hollywood movies set a lot of the time - That is sincere effort and attention to detail. Percentage wise - they try and do something in their movies. Audience demands it.
  
  I think lot of our directors ad producers dont "THINK" hard enough about the movie they are making. Now what is hard enough? I define it as MY being able to point out "faults" in the narration - inconsistencies, paradoxical situations,... the audience doesnt demand it. So they dont bother. If we (thamizh movie audience) are ready to take mediocrity, that is precisely what we will get.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Tue Jul 10 19:16:08 EDT 2001
  
  You know what! After 60 years of movie making, we have moved from "raja rani" movies to love stories and then nowhere. We all are pointing fingers at Hindi films but look at ours. Although technically we r far superior to Hindi movies and we offer better variety of stories, still 90 % of our movies can only be categorized under Romance/Musical.
  
  It doesnt matter whatever country/lang the movie is taken. Sterotype is always stereo type. I think the Tamil audience is largely been deprived of other genres of movies like sci-fi and even Adventure/Action movies .
  
  We are overfed with melodrama that our thinking and appreciating capacity dynamically retards when we watch tamil movies and automatially increases when we watch english movies.
  
  Dont point out only the bad examples when u talk abt english movies. Yes! I agree the primary purpose of a a movie is an escape from reality. depicting too much reality is not in consonance with the movie concept and we cud watch the news instead. But When u are doing fiction I wud certainly say the concept of the entire family dancing and hero/heroines jumping and dancing in the streets is a totally inferior imagination.
  
  C'mon atleast gunfights happen once in a while in the world. Even in India it might happen in some vague corner but anywhere in the world can u show 2 people dancing and singing with an orchestra behind them.
  
  why not decouple music videos from movies. Yes! it sounds ridiculous but it wud create more variety
  
  1) The normal movie length wud reduce.
  2) the Movie director can concentrate on only making movies and he neednt play the part of a music video director, which is entirely a different specialized profession.
  3) Music and music videos can still co-exist infact flurish much more than now.
  5) since now we have network television we have a place to parade songs individually and promote cassatte sales.
  6) the MD can compose 6 songs per movie and their music videos can be released on network TV with prime time audience and metered showings.
  7) a economically poor person can think of making a private album and showing it on TV with a cheaper music video rather than depending on a very expensive movie medium to parade his songs.
  
  8) there will be a separate profession for music video directors and movie directors can even designate songs to particlar music video directors
  
  9) the movie director has an option of putting in a song if it blends so well with the movie or make the song appear slightly on the BG. he neednt think of delibrately introeing songs just for the sake of it and the songs will not appear disconnected
  
  see people! we can get more than what we have.
  
  And dont simply trash hollywood movies, music and music videos. yes! there is trash among them also but the highs that they are acheiving will not be in IFM for a century to come.
  
  By blaming the Indian people for illitracy and giving trash movies is nonsense.Its just an excuse for showbiz ppl to give mediocrity. If every one raises the bar by giving quality movies then people will automatically update their tastes and improve the movie-watching knowledge.
  
  yes! we have our own unique culture, but carnatic music, hindustani, kathakali and indian dresses r part of our culture not singing "chikku bukku raile" in egmore station. And not certainly having songs in our movies. It was copied from hollywood musicals and hence is a forign culture.
  
  The olden day dramas where actors sung and danced by themselves is a roman culture prevailing for close to 500 years. there r even older drama and play cultures in other parts of the world.
  
  so plz only the music depicts our culture and no way the music videos in movies!!!!
  
  we have had an entire story written in songs but not a crazy mix of both that we see in tdays movie no way not even close
  
  
• From: Guru (@ tcache-tm01.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Jul 10 20:40:46 EDT 2001
  
  Good one Bharath, I agree with the fact, group dancing and duet around trees should atleast fade away. Music (background) must be like a shadow for a scene. Obviously,in reality,one cannot hear the echo of a flute or sound of a guitar string, when a guy approaches a girl, but that does not mean that movies cannot show that. At the same time, dancing around trees is absurdity. So, incorporating music into movies is like a balanced diet. Look at the picturization of songs in K. Viswanath movies or even KB's, not many songs involve artificial group dancing, yet they are so beautifully crafted. Take Salankai oli or even taken Azhagan, dance suits the sequence perfectly. Its heart-breaking that even high-profile directors hesitate to make another shankarabharanam or sindhu bhairavi. True, one has to learn more professionalism from hollywood.I would not also agree that movies without songs can not be made successful. At least kamal did it in kurudhipunal and pushpak (no dialogues even!) with a big success. Our directors need more "thinking" if they are to make movies without songs, and its a lot of pressure. No wonder,most of the indian movies appear stereotype with even 6 good songs.
  
  

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