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Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 4: Vaarththai Prayoagam

Topic started by Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on Thu Jul 23 21:34:25 EDT 1998.
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For a good understanding of how to approach this ongoing symposium, please refer to the thread, "Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 1:Iyarkai Varnanai" before you post. Let me reiterate that this is not a patti mandram, but
a research symposium.
Please show TFM examples of both poets with regards to just theirVaarththai Prayoagam for this thread. By vaarththai prayoagam, we mean captivating use of language, word play, different use of a known word, vocabulary, etc. Please provide the name of the song whose lines you excerpt and the name of the movie if known.

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• From: Pagalavan (@ bbn-cache-3.cisco.com) on: Tue Jul 28 21:11:59 EDT 1998
  
  Udhaya
  
  Sorry, could not resist. Probably, we will discuss them elsewhere sometime..
  
  
• From: Observer (@ spider-wg011.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Jul 28 21:16:55 EDT 1998
  
  When it comes to word play in lyrics, I think VM is under some virtual pressure that makes him not make a good use of his poetic wisdom. The industry is going thru a crisis today for want of lyrical taste blended with linguistic ingredients of the theme. VM, as being a key player in TFM lyrics today, has to maintain the status quo by bringing stuff that the producers and MD's will be able to sell. Otherwise, he will be forced to close down shutters like others did in the past.
  
  Also there is another factor which would give absolutely no room for improvisation in the lyrics is the URGENCY. I have heared many stories about VM delivering song over the phone (kizhakku seemayilE). How can one possibly look for quality in lyrics when you give him/her just 10 min? Obviously VM is not pressing himself to be choosy about the content of the song in some situations.
  
  When the fact remains that not many movies or situations demand for an enchanting lyrics, VM always responded well when it comes to Tamil Folk songs.
  
  "antha kazhuththu thEmalaiyum kathOra machchaththaiyum pArpatheppO?
  antha kolusu manisirippum kumri iLanchirippum kEtpatheppO?
  karuvELan kattukuLLE karichAn kuruvi onnu
  suthi(sruthi)mARi kaththuthammA thonaiyathAn kAnOminnu"
  
  from the song "rAsAthee onnenaipu nenjukkuLLe..." (thirudA thirudA)
  
  Look at the choice of words in the first lines to desrcibe the woman the hero loves. It is so natural in the sense that even though thEmal is considered a bad symbol on woman's beauty (also a disease), he is able
  to see his own regard to that spot. Also VM is very very natural in using the word 'suthi' instead of 'sruthi'. ( I know 'kAtRu' was once pronounced as 'kaththu' by renowned poet)
  
  Also I like the interlude chorus in this song
  "kadala kattukkuLLa kaiyadichu sonna puLLa
  kathula ezhuthanum pombalainga sonna solla"
  
  I have no words to praise these lines, all I can say in support of VM is ,
  " oru pAnai sotRukku oru soRu patham "
  
  There was a pre-IR era when folk language were rarely being used in TFM songs. Even when they were used , they were very sporadic instances. I know one famous tamizh song which was stamped as a folk song in those days
  'yErik karai mElE pORavaLE pen mayilE
  nillu konjan nAnum vArEn'
  
  In today's standards I cannot accept this as a real folk song. Then there was a post-IR era , that is, TFM after IR/BR started to revolutionize the Tamil Films, when village and folk language were more easily used and accepted. When VM came in to picture, he started giving a new dimension to the TFM with his mesmerized lyrics. He taught the TFM what a true folk language is and how one can portray village life thruogh lyrics. 'muthal mariyAthai', 'manVsanai', is another good example of village story-folk language- lyrics. Since then VM has always added value to TFM with his own style. Among the others, many followed his style, and some could not survive.
  
  
  
  
• From: kiLi_pEchu_kEtkavA (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Wed Jul 29 03:48:53 EDT 1998
  
  Pagalavan:
  
  similar to your ThillAnA mOganAmbAL song
  Kannadasan has written lines in Sarver Sub-ndaram....
  
  kaN PATTATHUM
  kai PATTATHUM
  puN PATTATHA illaiyA !!
  pun PATTATHUM peNmai konjam
  paN PATTATHA illaiyA !!
  
  Other lines from the same song which is full of
  "THATHU PITHU"nu kiLiyOdu pAdum KRVijaya...
  
  thaTHTHAI nenjam muTHTHAthilE
  thiTHTHATHA illaiyA !
  muTHTHAM andha thaTHTHAI nenjil
  niTHTHITHA illaiyA!!
  
  kattum kadal muTHTHUKalAl
  kotiTHTHATHA illaiyA!!
  kotiTHTHATHIL aTHTHAN nenjai
  thotiTHTHATHA illaiyA!!
  
  
• From: see (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Wed Jul 29 03:55:54 EDT 1998
  
  another song from Paar MagaLE Paar
  Kannadasan describes what HE saw, SHE saw, THEY saw in
  
  ennai thottu sendRana kaNgaL...
  
  She:
  
  thAzai madal suRRum kARRaik KANDEN
  thaLLAdi uLLathai thazuvak KANDEN - endhan
  vAzai udal saRRu vAdak KANDEN
  vA endRu nee solla mARRam KANDEN
  
  He:
  
  vanji nadai saRRu anjak KANDEN
  vaNNa kani idhaz konjak KANDEN
  pinju kodi idai kenjak KANDEN
  peNNukuL maNNOdu viNNaik KANDEN
  
  They:
  
  mAlaiku mAli mAyam KANDOM
  (every evening puthusu puthsA)
  vayathukum manathukum niyAyam KANDOM
  sOlaik kiLiyendRu mAru KINDROM
  solluku solendRu sERuKINDROM
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: YO_YO_pAttu (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Wed Jul 29 04:05:39 EDT 1998
  
  Husband is dying...during the last moments
  he wants to see his wife in her KALYANA KOLAM.
  She is telling him, I won't let you go, Honey!
  
  paRavai paRanthu sella viduvEnA
  antha param poruL vandhAlum tharuvEnA
  unnai azaithu sella eNNum
  thalaivanidam ennaiyE nAn thara maRuppEnA!!
  
  enna ninaithu ennai azaiTHTHAYO
  En indha kOlathaik koduTHTHAYO
  munnam iruntha nilai ninaiTHTHAYO
  mugathaip pArthuk koLLa thudiTHTHAYO
  
  vAzkai kanavugaLai kalaiTHTHAYO
  oru vAsal thiRantha thendRu ninaiTHTHAYO
  mAyap paRavai ondRu vAnil paRanthu vandhu
  vAvena azaiththaik kEttAYO
  
  song from: nenjil Or Alayam
  
  
• From: kAl (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Wed Jul 29 04:16:41 EDT 1998
  
  Another word play by Kannadasan
  From Annaiyum PithAvum.
  In this movie, Laxmi is a handicaped (should I say
  Physically Challenged!!) woman
  kAl nondi.
  
  when she sings, thinking about her lover, the lines
  are....
  
  nee vara vEndum En varavillai
  nAn varalAmA orukkAlumillai
  orukkAlumillai...oru kAlum illai
  
  other interesting lines in the same song...
  
  neerAdum kaNgaL AgAya Gangai
  pOrAdum uLLam pAthALA Gangai
  
  song: malarum mangaiyum oru jAthi
  
  
  
  
  
• From: ok_kaNmaNi (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Wed Jul 29 04:26:12 EDT 1998
  
  This lady is dumb. pEsa mudiyAtha oomaiyA
  irukkEn endRu romba varuthap padurA.
  avaL kaNavan, nee irukkum pOthu enakku vEra
  enna VENDUM - endRu solli pAdugirAn...
  
  mounamE pArvaiyAl oru pAttu pAda VENDUM
  nANamE jAdaiyAl oru vArthai pEsa VENDUM
  
  allik kodiyE un mullai idhazum
  thEn ARu pOla pongi vara VENDUM
  angm thazuvum vaNNa thanga nagai pOl
  ennai aLLi choodik kOndu vida VENDUM
  
  muthu saramE en pakkam irunthAl
  vERenna vArthai solla mozi VENDUM
  munnam irukkum indha chinna mugathil
  pala mozigaL pAdam peRa vara VENDUM
  
  padam: kodi malar
  
  
• From: AAvin (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Wed Jul 29 06:41:51 EDT 1998
  
  In Swami Ayiyapan pAttu
  
  sabari malail vaNNa chandrOthayam
  
  Kannadasan writes about Bakthi in terms of
  PAL, THAYIR, VENNAI & NEI
  
  PAL ena solvathu udalAgum
  athil THAYIR enak kaNdathengaL manamAgum
  VENNAI thiraNdathu undhan aruL Agum
  indha NEI abishEgam engaL anbAgum
  
  
• From: GOD (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Wed Jul 29 06:49:31 EDT 1998
  
  You leave your fears with GOD and be calm
  then you will feel the happiness & the changes.
  
  Same in Kannadasan words:
  
  AVANidam thandhEn en ANJUTHALAI
  antha ANNALE thandhu vaithAn ARUTHALAI
  ivvidam ivar thandha inba nilai
  kaNdu ennidam nAn kaNdEn mARUTHALI
  
  Song: saravaNap poigail neerAdi..Padam: ithu sathiyam
  
  
• From: Radha Sanjay (@ dwarpal.wipsys.soft.net) on: Wed Jul 29 07:42:56 EDT 1998
  
  With respect to VM's varthai prayogam
  
  the following songs come to my mind,
  In kaathal Oviyam,
  these lines are extremely good.
  "Thirumugam vanthu pazhuguvor,
  Arimugam seythu vilaguvor,
  vizhigalil thuligal vazhiyumo,
  athu suduvathai thanga mudiyumo".
  
  In Ninaivellam nithya, in Panivizhum malarvanam"
  this line seems to be too good to hear.
  "Kaigal Idaithanil nelilgaiyil Idaiveli kuraigayil Eriyum vilakku sirithu kangal moodum"
  
  And in kokkarakko, the song.
  Geetham , sangeetham nee thane en kathal vedham,
  padham unthan padham , ennodu vanthale pothum epoothum(Geetham)
  
  I dont remember the whole song, but the song describes his lover. One line in this songs is
  "Pavai patham parkkave, kooonthal neendu vanthatho
  Unnai nan kandale undagum veppam, neethane anantha theppam"
  
  
  
• From: Radha Sanjay (@ dwarpal.wipsys.soft.net) on: Wed Jul 29 07:48:03 EDT 1998
  
  About kannadasan's varthai prayogam,
  I feel this song is quite apt,
  "Athikkai Kai kai , alangai vennilave
  ithikkai kayathe, ennai pol pennallavo."
  There is one line in this song, which is too good
  
  solvathellam vilangayo, thuthuvalangai vennila,
  ennai nee kayathe, ennuyirum neeyallavo
  
  
• From: Radha Sanjay (@ dwarpal.wipsys.soft.net) on: Wed Jul 29 07:56:40 EDT 1998
  
  Again back to VM's varthai prayogam,
  
  In the song, ilaiya nila pozhigirathu,
  the lines,
  
  Varum vazhiyil pani mazhaiyil paruva nila thinam mayangum,
  mugil eduthu mugam thudaithu vidiyum varai nadai pazhagum,
  Neela vanile velli odaigal, paduginrathe enna jadaigal,
  vinveliyil vithaithathu yar navamanigal.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Radha Sanjay (@ dwarpal.wipsys.soft.net) on: Wed Jul 29 08:31:35 EDT 1998
  
  Coming back to KD's varthai prayogam,
  in the movie ethirneechal.
  
  Malayil santhithen mayalil sinthithen
  mangai nan kannithen Kathalan theendum pothu kaigalai mannithen
  
  Thamarai kannangal, then malar kinnangal,
  ethanai vannangal, mothamai theendumpothu....
  
  And another song by PBS from a different movie,
  goes like this.
  Poovaraiyum poongodiye, poomalai soodava,
  ponmagale vazhgavendru paamalai paadava...
  
  Kannamenum kinnathile, vannangalai kuzhaithaye,
  pongi varum pun sirippil , konjam konjam therithaye,
  uruvangal marividum, ullangam maraiyathee...
  
  
  
• From: Inbaraj David (@ ns2.dlj.com) on: Wed Jul 29 09:02:18 EDT 1998
  
  In Ninaivellaam Nithya, VM described being together in good and bad times as follows:
  
  'Vasanthangal vaazhthi varum pothu un kilaiyil poovaaven,
  
  Ilaiyuthir kaalam varm pothu unakku veraaven'
  
  In Jeans, VM's famous 'rettai kizhavi',
  
  'salasala salasala rettai kizhavi
  takataka takataka rettai kizhavi
  undallo tamilil undallo
  pirithu vaithaal porulum illai
  pirithu vaithal niyam illai....'
  
  What an example for describing the lovers...
  
  Great !
  
  

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