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Raga of song please

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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Hindi Raaga of Songs Thread

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• From: Rajesh G (@ 199.168.32.6) on: Fri Oct 12 17:18:37 EDT 2001
  
  Mr.Nakeerar, the song 'yeh ajnabi' sounds like kapi, and then sindubhairavish in charanam.
  (btw, thangalin peyar, Kaaranapeyara ellai neja peyara..just checking !)
  
  
• From: nakkeerar (@ 12.148.251.114) on: Fri Oct 12 17:35:06 EDT 2001
  
  Raj: DF-la pp-la people vacha peru. kutram sollittae irundhadhaala vachuttaanga.
  
  IR, Rajesh: In the song, "Mein yahaan tukhdon mein jee rahaa hoon.
  thu kahin.." sounded Gowrimanohari. with a D2 N3 S d2 pa. Looks nobody thinks that way. :)))
  
  Maalaiyil vedhanai (Sethu) sounds kedharam.
  Can we list songs in kedharam?
  "pon mAlai pozhudu "
  "Ennavalae"
  
  
  
  
• From: Sreenivas (@ 131.124.100.125) on: Fri Oct 12 17:43:04 EDT 2001
  
  nakkeerar,
  
  'kedaram' based songs:
  
  sundari neeyum sundaran - MMK
  en veettu thottathil - gentleman
  
  
• From: Tamizhan (@ 24.5.98.182) on: Sat Oct 13 13:32:09 EDT 2001
  
  Why are u guys discussing non-tamil songs in TFM Page.com. go find another site and discuss there. Enough of HIndi Tamasha everywhere
  
  
• From: Babu (@ 172.175.80.63) on: Sat Oct 13 23:07:58 EDT 2001
  
  The great song "Poove poo chooda va" - which raagam is this ?
  
  
• From: Kavita (@ 165.21.83.215) on: Sun Oct 14 01:56:14 EDT 2001
  
  hi,
  can i request songs from moview phaldavar bumi songs."thola..thola"
  thank you,bye.
  
  
• From: Kavita (@ 165.21.83.215) on: Sun Oct 14 01:56:28 EDT 2001
  
  hi,
  can i request songs from moview phaldavar bumi songs."thola..thola"
  thank you,bye.
  
  
• From: nakkeerar (@ 65.96.248.121) on: Sun Oct 14 14:34:35 EDT 2001
  
  Babu: pl chk http://newtfmpage.com/forum/classical.html
  "Poove poo chooda va" is in AabhEri.
  
  Sreenivas : Here is an interesting site
  (The link is for the info on ragams starting with letter -k)
  http://www.geocities.com/athens/forum/8424/carnatic/ragask.html#kamaas
  
  
  
• From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.154.169) on: Mon Oct 15 00:41:00 EDT 2001
  
  nakkeerar....maalai en vedhanai i am told is "Hamsadwani" (from the film sethu)(and kanakarunguyile from the same film is gowrimanohari i am told)
  
  sreenivas...."en veetu thotathil" is senchuriti based i guess.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Mon Oct 15 01:12:29 EDT 2001
  
  nakkeerar,
  
  interesting songs in khamaas!! my grand-father use to sing the song sujana jeevana raama suguna bhooshanaa and he told that it is set in Khamaas raaga. I used to like that song much.
  
  Nowadays I'm very much in liking with the Chalapathy Rao's Chiththiram paesudhadi. I some how felt that it was related to sujana jeevana. Now my *feeling* is somewhat justified. Seems the sandham also somewhat similar in these two songs in their pallavis, i think.
  
  Btw, the very interesting part in it is -- classifying Pazhamudhir Cholai yenakkaaga thaan under Khamaas. I heard from somebody that it is based on a different raaga.
  
  Pundits please clarify.
  
  
• From: IR_Fan (@ ) on: Mon Oct 15 02:25:35 EDT 2001
  
  kupps, "pazhamudhir solai" is harikambothi...by the way...can someone clarify on whether "maalai en vedhanai kootudhadi" from Sethu if it were in Kedaram (i was told it is hamsadhwani based)
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Mon Oct 15 03:41:35 EDT 2001
  
  which raaga do the following songs belong:
  
  1) orampo orampo rukkumani vandi varudhu FROM ??
  
  2) yellarumae thirudaingadhaa(n) solla pona kurdaingadhaa(n) FROM naan sigappu manidhan(?)
  
  
• From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.154.169) on: Mon Oct 15 03:58:44 EDT 2001
  
  kupps...awesome questions :-) only pros that rule this thread would know the answers :-)
  
  can someone clarify on whether "maalai en vedhanai kootudhadi" from Sethu if it were in Kedaram (i was told it is hamsadhwani based)
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Mon Oct 15 05:06:27 EDT 2001
  
  IR_Fan,
  
  "pros" you mean pro-IR ;-)
  
  btw what was so aweful in those questions to term them as awesome? If u find anything wise in those questions then i beg ur pardon for that inadvertant error :-) [ it is true that i don't know even basics of music(any) ]. i'm nowadays familiar with few words like sandham, bass, chord, tune, raaga and above all scale. u can find these words in my posting but they are not from a "real" thought. i find some fillers to fill in my sentences and hence i use them.
  
  Above all, i might have totally misunderstood what you intended to tell in your posting. If so please educate me :-)
  
  
• From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.154.169) on: Mon Oct 15 07:33:15 EDT 2001
  
  kupps...there is a world of difference between the terms "awefull" and "awesome"...remember, i termed your questions as awesome and not awefull :-)....i mentioned this because, a few weeks earlier MS had mentioned that some hardcore folk songs of ilaiyaraaja are based on rare melakartas....so i thought even your songs might be based on such rare ones that only the pros that rule this thread (PTRTT) would be able to tell...please for heaven's sake do not get me wrong..neither am i an adept in Carnatic Music...(PS:By the way, i just coined the abbreviation, PTRTT...so the copyright rests with IR_Fan)...
  ok, so PTRTTs help please....
  
  which raaga do the following songs belong:
  1) orampo orampo rukkumani vandi varudhu
  2) yellarumae thirudaingadhaan solla pona kurdaingadhaan.
  3)Malai en vedhanai kootuthadi from Sethu
  
  
• From: nakkeerar (@ 12.148.251.114) on: Mon Oct 15 12:40:58 EDT 2001
  
  Kupps: Here is another site for khamas.
  http://www.rit.edu/~pnveme/raga/Raga_Khamas.html
  
  kamAs |28| S M1 G3 M1 P D2 N2 S | S N2 D2 P M1 G3 R2 S
  is a Janyam of harikhamboji
  
  "Chithiram pesudhadi" looks Harikhamboji to me.
  For KamAs, I look for stress on ma1, and intro of foreign Ni3.
  others might be able to explain how to differentiate kamAs and harikhamboji better.
  
  IR Fan: Thanks for the correction.
  
  
• From: nakkeerar (@ 12.148.251.114) on: Mon Oct 15 12:53:12 EDT 2001
  
  "En veettu thottathil" is raagamalikai. It is "Neelambarai" with interludes in "Hamsadhwani".
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Mon Oct 15 13:46:11 EDT 2001
  
  malai en vedhanai was discussed earlier and i think it is sankarabaranam. i dont remember what the forum concluded.
  Would be happy to know the ragams of the following songs. [1] anbu nadamAdum kalai koodamE (http://www.dhool.com/cgi-bin/display.pl?order=title&query=title+like+'anbu nadamaadum%'&start=0&offset=40&prevq=title+like+'anbu nadamaadum%'). [2] azhage azhagu ( raja parvai.)
  
  
• From: nakkeerar (@ 12.148.251.114) on: Mon Oct 15 17:48:21 EDT 2001
  
  Haris: "anbu nadamaadum" is in Vaasandhi. It is in this list
  http://newtfmpage.com/forum/classical.html
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Mon Oct 15 18:43:03 EDT 2001
  
  cannot be vasanthi. has predominant d1 in (anbu nadamadum kalai koodamE)and kannil vilayadum ehzil vannamE.
  madhavi kodi poovin idhazhoramE (sounds malayamarudham (n2))
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.204) on: Mon Oct 15 20:30:13 EDT 2001
  
  Had an opportunity to attend to a aconcert of Bombay Jeyashree and sepnd some time with her. The question on ninnai charaN adindhen of kaamavardhini / puriya dhanashree / panthuvaraaLi was answered by her. It is in panthu varaaLi
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Tue Oct 16 00:29:11 EDT 2001
  
  IR Fan,
  
  I did not misunderstand you. I said "what was aweful to term it as awesome" with full concious of their meaning and their differences. That aweful and awesome was intentional on my part.
  
  Btw, my questions about "orampo" and "yellorumae" is based on that, that i found some similarity in their structure/pattern(whatever it is) especially in their charanam. Listen to rotila yellam of "orampo" and thundayum thoLula of "yellorumae".
  
  PTRTT :-) good abbreviation.
  
  Regd. Maalai yen vaedhanai it seems really this song is kootify your vaedhanai very much in identifying its raaga :-)
  
  Now let us leave into the hands of pundits to clarify our doubts.
  
  
• From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.154.169) on: Tue Oct 16 00:58:20 EDT 2001
  
  :-) kupps
  
  not pundits but PTRTTs....
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.204) on: Tue Oct 16 01:09:56 EDT 2001
  
  Hey folks,
  
  There is no ruling in this thread :-) u are just as regular participants as we are. So dont ostracize us by branding us :-)
  
  Maalai en vEdhanai koottudhadi - I remeber somebody noting that even though it has only notes of kedhaaram, it is more like ShankarabaraNam wihtout D used. Its feel is more of ShankarabaraNam and I agree with him.
  
  Regarding Pazamudhir sOlai:
  
  Though it is set in harikaamboji, the first line is almost a direct lift from the Papanaasam sivan kriti - naanoru viLaiyaattu bommaiyaa - set in navarasa kaanada. The first lines go as follows:
  
  na|an|o|ru vi|Lai|yaa|ttu bom|mai|yaa
  
  ga|ma|pa|sa dha| ni dhadha maga(risa) |ga|ma|pa
  
  and the first line of pazamudhir solai is
  
  ga|ma|pa|sa sa| ni dhapa|dha dha|ga|ma|pa
  
  But that is all when it comes to the inspiration part.
  
  
• From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.154.169) on: Tue Oct 16 04:00:45 EDT 2001
  
  thank you MS...so can i list it both under kedaram and SB and still not be wrong? If it uses all notes of kedaram, why would you not call it kedaram? ( is it like the case of "ennavale adi ennavale" from kadhalan that is said to be in kedaram but some critics initially said that "ennavale" cannot be kedaram...is this "sethu" song too face similar issue? MS, can you clarify...[(PS: hey kupps, still your questions have not been answered :-)]
  
  

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