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MSV and ARR - THE ONLY LEGENDARY COMPOSERS FOR TFM TO CHERISH!

Topic started by Kumar (@ 202.9.169.42) on Fri May 4 11:04:06 EDT 2001.
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The melodies of MSV are longlived and cherished even today as new. They sound fresh.
ARR, though young in age can be considered as a current day counterpart in composing songs intact with melody, well orchestrated to the mood, giving importance to the lyrical content, the same way MSV did then! I think there is a similarity between the two geniuses.

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• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Wed May 16 13:04:40 EDT 2001
  
  Satsona - Welcome. I saw you in Rahmanonline earlier.
  The easiest way to start a composition is write a short melody - say two bars. Make it complete. For example "kan-du-kon-den kan-du-kon-den". You see how simple and complete it is? Don't worry about copying / imitating. I think thats ok when you do it unintentionally. Later on, you will learn to differentiate and make ur own comps.
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.67) on: Wed May 16 16:31:14 EDT 2001
  
  Swamiji...I hope u r serious...
  
  if not
  
  do you mean like "Senthooora - poove....Senthooora-poove"!
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Wed May 16 17:58:36 EDT 2001
  
  Cosmician - Yes it is that simple! Try it! Everyone can compose is the idea here. If you think it is complicated, you will find it difficult to start. Think it is easy, and u will do so.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Wed May 16 20:56:32 EDT 2001
  
  And if you had started with 'sottu niilam dOi..reegal sottu niilam dOi' you would be India's #1 music director, by now !! :) :)
  
  
• From: satsona (@ 203.199.192.162) on: Thu May 17 03:39:23 EDT 2001
  
  
  hello everybody who saw my earlier msg here in this forum and posted reply. Thanx for ur replies to that, but i am sorry to say that some of u did not quite understand my mail. When i addressed Mr. Talvin and mr.mahabs, I was being a little sarcastic. I am happy that it was not taken that way by u all.
  
  Mr. mahabs literally started explaining how to get inspiration to make music. I am happy that u shared ur ideas sir, but I wish to inform u that i was asking how to get inspiration in a sarcastic way, since u said rahman lacks creativity. of course my sarcasm also was as a friendly gesture.
  
  what i wish to say is that if u r creative, doesnt mean u work without inspiration. And I feel both spontaneity and hard work are part of a genius, (I didnt understand what u mean by handicap, is hard work a handicap????!!!!)
  If u feel so, i differ from ur views.
  
  even a genius has to work hard to express. IR had to learn Western notations to express his music, he would not have got it spontaneously by birth.as for his music which is spontaneous, I am sure Rahman can start doing like that, spontaneously, but no,he doesnt do it bcos he feels perfection is needed, so he takes time.
  
  IR just made music what came naturally to him, and i dont feel he had the time to improvise on a particular song(due to his daily recordings)
  
  
  Swamiji, Namaskar. Even u didnt understand my mail here:-). i was just joking when i asked mahabs to teach me to compose.
  I have been composing for quite some time, some tunes and continuing it, trying to improve upon them.Anyway, thanx for ur suggestion and encouragement. But 1 thing,what u said was right. Whenever a tune comes to me, I keep thinking if it is something I got original or is it something from what i heard already, that is i try to find out if it may be similar to some tune b4. of course it is completely unintentional.
  
  
  But i am awaiting mr. Talvin's response still. Are u there?
  
  cheers
  Satsona
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.132) on: Thu May 17 04:18:02 EDT 2001
  
  >>>"And I feel both spontaneity and hard work are part of a genius..."<<<
  
  I think it was Thomas Alva Edison who said "Genius is 99% perspiration and 1% inspiration !"
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.132) on: Thu May 17 04:21:52 EDT 2001
  
  Swamiji..
  
  I thought you were being sarcastic that's why I asked whether you were suggesting it seriously to Satsona or in a sarcastic way :)
  
  Kiru...
  
  Did ARR compose the "Sottu Neelam doi..." jingle...I know that PC Sriram was the director..
  but the strange fact was Ujjala still beat Regal hollow in sales despite the quality of the Regal ad :)
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Thu May 17 05:27:26 EDT 2001
  
  cosmician
  "Ujaala-Regal factor" might be explained as follows. A quality ad will have an impact on the consumers. It does not mean that ONLY quality ad will have an impact on the consumers. there might be some other factor(of Ujala side) that had more impact than the Regal's "quality" ad.
  
  is it the verbal "Ujaalaavukku marittaen; appa neenga" still lingering in the minds of consumers than the visual effect of regal? :-))
  
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.67) on: Thu May 17 05:56:40 EDT 2001
  
  I think you are right there Kupps...the message needs to be delivered properly and here it was through that catch phrase...though the ad was very stupid ! It is a strange fact that many award winning ads actually don't increase product sales...it has been noted many a time that when an ad wins an award..the agency that has been handling the product (account) loses it...the company decides to try another agency bcos the sales have not been that good !
  
  
• From: comment (@ 65.9.136.158) on: Thu May 17 07:47:14 EDT 2001
  
  Sottu Neelam doi -- is by mani sharma.
  
  
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.165) on: Thu May 17 12:46:31 EDT 2001
  
  hello mr.satsona
  
  i noticed your sarcasm. i wanted to answer "why should i get inspiration? i am not a composer. i get inspiration from my shere of crativity". but forgot to add this. anyhow, i am happy that you are a composer. just remember 'great minds think alike!'
  
  <>
  
  just consoling words from a genius for mere mortals to work hard.
  
  many persons are hard working but their output is small.
  
  <>
  
  i feel he doesn't want to improvise. a creator hates to alter his creation. many poets hate it when their creations are corrected by editors, even if it improves the quality.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Thu May 17 14:55:45 EDT 2001
  
  I stand corrected on the composer of that jingle.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Fri May 18 00:12:34 EDT 2001
  
  and that is the end of solomon grundy
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Fri May 18 00:13:40 EDT 2001
  
  well just to clarify, here solomon grundy is non other than unclosed(!) italics...dont think any other
  
  
• From: Raghuvir (@ 202.144.64.150) on: Wed May 23 11:10:20 EDT 2001
  
  It is a lovely fact which is cent percent true.
  
  Time will show the truth. You almost listen to MSVs songs in literally all the programmes Radio or TV, any public function, with appropriateness. Next to that is ARRs songs which is hotcakes for kids and adults alike. No body can object to that.
  
  It is the order of the day and time keeps changing people, things and situations.
  
  It is true that MSV and ARR songs will stand the test of time.
  
  Nobody listens to 76-96 songs as freqently as MSV or ARR songs! Please touch your hear and answer true to your heart! You will know that this is a true fact!
  
  
• From: Sukhbhir (@ 63.97.162.95) on: Wed May 23 12:10:51 EDT 2001
  
  No one can beat the songs of M.K.T and IR. They are hot vadai's to all of people today. All I hear are songs from 1940-1950 and 1975-1990. Rest are not even being aired.
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Wed May 23 13:08:14 EDT 2001
  
  raghuvir, watch a quality program like subthaswarangal, you will know how many 76-96 songs are played. You should have watched young singers who sung before TMS! during its 200th week.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Wed May 23 14:35:57 EDT 2001
  
  "Nobody listens to 76-96 songs as freqently as MSV or ARR songs! Please touch your hear and answer true to your heart"
  
  "Nobody excludes me and millions and only includes you and a few, probably"
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Wed May 23 14:43:04 EDT 2001
  
  Raghuvir ..is one of those types who will lose steam after a spurt of postings in all threads or he probably has internet multiple personality syndrome and will come back with a different name and start his outpourings ..Lets ignore the troll.,.
  
  
• From: die-hard fans of IR (@ 61.1.208.238) on: Wed May 23 15:40:45 EDT 2001
  
  Dear blind people,
  
  IR's music is all time music.
  Walk out you home.
  In tea shops, buses, hotels, ... all the places plays its player with IRs music.
  
  Now ARR fans are listening his old songs?
  Never, Even his fans can't listen his old songs?
  
  But I daily heard IR's songs particularly in 1980s SONGS (the golden years of Tamil file music)
  
  
  Did any anti IR fan see the kumudam comparison of IR and AR?
  
  
• From: RAJARASIKAN (@ 61.1.208.238) on: Wed May 23 15:43:40 EDT 2001
  
  Mastreo is the only legend of 20th and 21st century of Tamil film music
  
  
  
• From: Ganga (@ 203.126.228.21) on: Fri May 25 05:40:21 EDT 2001
  
  ARR is my first music choice
  IR is my second music choice
  MSV is my first and second music choice.
  
  
• From: Cauvery (@ 64.104.128.15) on: Fri May 25 06:30:32 EDT 2001
  
  IR is my first music choice
  MSV is my second music choice
  KVM is my third music choice
  ARR is my fourth music choice
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.130.13) on: Mon May 28 01:19:51 EDT 2001
  
  MSV,IR&ARR - first
  KVM,Chandrabose,SG - second
  others - third
  
  
• From: aiyyopavam (@ 136.206.35.10) on: Mon May 28 05:40:40 EDT 2001
  
  ARR a composer ???? Good Joke :)))
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.168.236) on: Tue May 29 16:31:59 EDT 2001
  
  Aiyyo pavam ! Bad sense of humour !
  
  
• From: FoundSTAR (@ 160.231.1.100) on: Tue May 29 17:51:33 EDT 2001
  
  Listen to STAR songs on www.raaga.com
  In case you donot find the songs in the new Tamil section, refresh the screen twice - you may find it.
  
  
• From: gg (@ 203.126.228.21) on: Tue May 29 23:42:10 EDT 2001
  
  STAR songs are beautiful melody and lyric. I love it.
  
  
• From: hh (@ 210.88.56.56) on: Mon Jun 4 21:39:01 EDT 2001
  
  Why dont U marry if U love that much.
  Take it easy yar, Just for fun.
  
  

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