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Mumbai Moham - What do Tamils put up with the bad and mediocre singing of Mumbai artistes?

Topic started by Indhu (@ 24.76.127.63) on Sat Dec 1 22:44:28 EST 2001.
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This is my question....Udit Narayan, Hariharan, Sadhana Sargam, Kavitha Krishnamurti,Sonu Nigam - All sing in Tamil. But their Tamil is really very bad. Are Tamils deaf, tolerant, or have no PERUMAI in their own language? Is there really a shortage of good, tamil-speaking singers? Or is this really Tamil Inferiority Complex?

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• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.137) on: Wed Dec 5 12:50:19 EST 2001
  
  Indhu:
  Answer accepted. :-)
  
  
• From: KS (@ 165.122.128.250) on: Wed Dec 5 12:59:13 EST 2001
  
  Indhu,
  
  Unfortunately, today we have many people who have this kind of an attitude and it is very evident that these people DON'T CARE ENOUGH.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Wed Dec 5 14:41:34 EST 2001
  
  Let's say I like my Panjamirtham with all the 5 ingredients. If it only has 3 then it will not be called Panjamirtham, would it?
  
  What trend says is he can just eat a banana with a feeling of Panchamirtham....;-))
  
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Wed Dec 5 14:47:43 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo,
  
  So, is "Shenbagame Shenbagame"(sung by Asha Bhosle) a banana or Panchamirtham?
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Wed Dec 5 14:58:34 EST 2001
  
  I direct this question to people who are eating it. Nevertheless, a powerful return.
  
  But the actual situation is by bringing in our own preference of MDs, we are slowly taking off the ground. It would be more appropriate to stick only to the "pronounciation affair" than bringing in other factors. MD factor is of course, crucial. But we probably go to an extent in justifying the pronounciation factor by blending with our own "choice factor". Atleast in this section, let's keep our preference shirt off. If there is a mistake then it is. If there is not then not. I know people want this tie with a factor called "relatively". But the ultimate depth of the arguments depends on whether we be more "specific" and "pin-pointed" to the fact?
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Wed Dec 5 15:02:13 EST 2001
  
  Trend, you can be more specific by quoting the line where Asha makes a mistake in the song. If you can not then I conclude that the song is a " Palani Panchamirtham".
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Wed Dec 5 15:18:12 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo,
  "you can be more specific by quoting the line where Asha makes a mistake in the song."
  
  By asking this question, you already believe or want to believe that the pronounciation is perfect in this song.So whatever I say further is not going to make any sense.Since it doesn't contain a "Olive ennai" I will help you conclude that it is a " Palani Panchamirtham".:)
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Wed Dec 5 15:33:49 EST 2001
  
  'you already believe or want to believe that the pronounciation is perfect in this song'
  
  Trend, what made you to jump to that conclusion. Since you asked me whether it is a Panchamirtham, I told I do not know. I just said if there is a obvious pronounciation mistake then it can be accounted for. For this discussion, I do not in favor of any song/MD. Hence, I am surprised to see you jump so quickly and decide on my behalf. Roti Rothi thaan Chappathi Chappathi thaan..yaaro sonnathu romba sarithaan ;-)...No serious feelings...
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Wed Dec 5 16:18:49 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo,
  
  From what you said I thought it is obvious.But it looks like I was wrong.
  To me the whole song doesn't sound right if I concentrate on the way the lyrics was sung.But if Banana is what I got I'd like to relish it as a Panchamirtham overlooking minor factors.I'm not a Tamil Pulavar or Pundit or Pandit to critically specify this is supposed to be sung this way.To me Sunanda's version seems more right.
  IMO.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Wed Dec 5 16:32:21 EST 2001
  
  Thanks for bothering to explain. If justice can vary from one court to the other (Jaya's), I mean the case where there can be one judge and several arguers to establish their point, I can eaily see this reflection on our own discussions (A case where the arguer himself is a Judge). Whatever, as usual, we could understand our views more on atleast one point..Good Day..;-)))
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Wed Dec 5 16:53:09 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo,
  
  Digression:
  
  I don't think I got the whole message.Anyway, Good day to you too.:)
  
  
• From: KS (@ 165.122.128.250) on: Wed Dec 5 18:21:28 EST 2001
  
  somebody's attitude here tells me that they are going to be losers in life.
  
  
• From: Indhu (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Dec 5 18:48:35 EST 2001
  
  Hi again,
  
  A few postings ago I had a list of suggestions about what we can do (in our own feeble way) to address this issue with some MDs/Singers etc. Surprisingly (or not so surprisingly?) there has been no feedback on my ideas, nor any additions to the list of possibilities.
  
  So tell me this: Are you guys just good enough for only batting the breeze?? Is this just one of those time-pass / lunch-break chit-chat things as far as you are concerned? Or - am I just being naive in my assumption that you would REALLY like to address this issue beyond this thread/discussion?
  
  Any answer - Yes/No/Not interested would help.
  Consider it please.
  
  Thanks,
  
  Indhu
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.164.223) on: Wed Dec 5 22:04:16 EST 2001
  
  Indhu. Keep going. I feel the thread marches in the right diection. But just give time to people. You can not have a perfect discussion without digressions. Saapidumpothu kosu kadiicha enna seiveenga.
  
  
• From: Music (@ 203.111.1.66) on: Wed Dec 5 22:16:37 EST 2001
  
  Indhu,
  This is my question....Udit Narayan, Hariharan, Sadhana Sargam, Kavitha Krishnamurti,Sonu Nigam - All sing in Tamil. But their Tamil is really very bad. Are Tamils deaf, tolerant, or have no PERUMAI in their own language?
  Answer: I think there has been trend towards using different voices in tamil cinema. I do agree their pronounciation is not spot on. I think for certain songs, tamil "mazhazhai" pronounciation comes out better, but that depends on the movie and scenes, but at the same time, "Jyothi Naeril" from 12B was not really upto the mark in terms of pronounciation. I think music directors are giving what the majority of people and the movie directors want. so I think tamil is more of a victim of commercial reality rather than singers pronouncing badly. I don't think I will include Hariharan in that list because, his tamil is much better than the rest. I think tamils are tolerant towards music directors and trying to be appreciative of what they are offering rather than make it an issue about it. I personally think as long as there is a limit to when to use those singers, its fine. But its just my humble opinion, not a statement.
  Is there really a shortage of good, tamil-speaking singers?
  Answer: I don't think so. There are lot of very good singers, but music directors look for those with unique voice and natural ability to sing. Luck plays a role here, to be successful apart from hard work. Its also not a feasible solution to give chances for anyone who can sing because of the competition in that field.
  Or is this really Tamil Inferiority Complex?
  Answer: I don't think comlpex have anything to do with this. Its purely a competition and commercial factor that who gets to sing and how they sing. I think people who have talent should work hard towards achieving their objective, By God's grace, you will be successful
  
  
• From: Indhu (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Thu Dec 6 02:12:20 EST 2001
  
  Hi Music,
  
  Thanks for that posting.
  I wonder why the same trend does not work the other way around then?
  
  The southern imports to Mumbai are few and far between. I guess, we (tamils) are more tolerant with Unique (in whatever kannravi form that might come in) than out bhai-behns in the West and North.
  
  And you know something else: Nobody goes over the top in Mumbai when an SPB or a Chitra sings in Hindi. But Our dear Tamil makkal are ecstatic when a Hariharan or an Asha Bhonsle sings a Tamil ditty.
  The music magazines go out of their way to profile these newbes, and the music directors can't stop their Arpudhams and Abharams in the interviews when they are asked about these imports. Udit/Sadhana/Kavita are all good singers in their own right, of course. But I wonder why the Mumbai-ites don't think the same about our Umas, Balus, Vanis and Manos.
  
  If it is not inferiority complex (to seek others when our very own are good if not better) than it must be a bad case of misplaced or absent pride. Or perhaps a combination of both, which, for me personally, is painful even to contemplate.
  
  If we really want Mazhazhai maybe we should give (M.R.R.) Radhika and Sridevi (from her Moondram Pirai days) all the so-called "unique" "juvenile" songs. I am sure they will excel!
  
  I look forward to your forthcoming postings.
  
  Indhu
  
  
• From: shanmuganathan (@ 203.197.156.35) on: Thu Dec 6 04:06:15 EST 2001
  
  It is unfortunate to hear such horrendous tamil from such singers. Only the tamil music lovers have to be blamed for making the songs sung by them as hits!!!!!!!! Many tamil knowing young singers are deprived of opportunity due the monopoly of such singers who sing only for money, not knowing the real meaning of the song. A song is melodious when you dedicate yourself to that situation. Let us hope for the best in future.
  
  
• From: gop (@ 203.197.156.35) on: Thu Dec 6 04:12:31 EST 2001
  
  poda panni
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.165.96) on: Thu Dec 6 08:09:20 EST 2001
  
  Nobody goes over the top in Mumbai when an SPB or a Chitra sings in Hindi.
  
  How did they accept Kishore Kumar. How did they accept RD/SD Burmans.
  
  Our dear Tamil makkal are ecstatic when a Hariharan or an Asha Bhonsle sings a Tamil ditty.
  
  When hariharans voice is different and likable, I do not understand the reason for not accepting. Just being non-tamil should not be reason. Some of hariharans songs are Gems. SPB is a singing Mastero. SPB has an everlasting place in people's mind and people are equally ectasic when SPB sings (ex..mun pania..). If mumbai guys do not like our singers then it is their loss. It is probably the reason that we excel.
  
  Well the discussion seems to be back to square 1. Any discussion has a point when it evoulutes eventually. If we stick to just one point so strongly then I don't think there is any point in discussing at all.
  
  Your focus now has switched from pronounciation affair to North/south affair.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Thu Dec 6 09:25:14 EST 2001
  
  KS,
  
  Digression:
  If you want to tell me something feel free to do it directly.There's my email address too.If something about my posting bothers you address it specifically.
  
  "somebody's attitude here tells me that they are going to be losers in life."
  
  If that was for me, I already know that.My limitations are more boundless than what you can imagine.If there's something that needs to be resolved please let me know.Also,please understand that I will have to live with my limitations and it's not easy for me to overcome them.Surely,no hard feelings.
  
  

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