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Yesterday - Illayarajah Today - A.R. Rahman Tomorrow - Yuvan Shankar Raja

Topic started by Pras (@ 66.185.84.71) on Sat Jan 25 08:43:29 EST 2003.
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Who Do You Think Is The Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow MD of TFM?

I think its:
Yesterday - Illayarajah
Today - A.R. Rahman
Tomorrow - Yuvan Shankar Raja

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Responses:

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• From: MusicIsLife (@ 67.85.193.232) on: Wed Jul 30 23:17:24 EDT 2003
  
  N.Teja,
  Wow what a comparison... IR to batsman next door and ARR to Tendulkar..
  it seems a little absurd. Where are you from? surely not from TN.
  If a Music Director cannot give some new stuff and encouraging music, while he turns over the same stuff in different languages to different audiences, that is ARR, Tendulkar is a class by himself. Dont embarrass Tendulkar image by comparing ARR to him.
  
  Again if a boy cannot come up with some thing new for his own.. then there is no need of that boy anyways..(dont bring in the Indian philosophy crap)
  
  What ARR tried to do was take western music, add that to TFM and popularize it, but IR did the other way around, that is only reason, it is unique, very much a big time quality, and people who dont know about music just can talk only ill or IR.. this is just pretending to close their eyes and feel the whole world is blind.
  
  Surely you embarrassed tendulkar and yourself and your Music Director ARR..
  
  Anything in excess is Poison: including recycling.
  
  
  
• From: N Teja (@ 131.170.6.147) on: Thu Jul 31 00:26:21 EDT 2003
  
  Musicislife
  
  i have clearly stated that it is an anology. i have not equated any one. let me give you another anology for this anology itself (this is going crazy) .... al i said was the difference between 100 and 120 is the same as difference between 10300 and 10320. it dosent mean that by any way i am equating 120 with 10320 or 100 with 10300(are you getting my flow?), all i am saying is the difference is similar (which is 20 in this case)
  
  sorry for this post that is totally unrelated to music.
  
  N Teja
  
  
• From: N Teja (@ 131.170.6.147) on: Thu Jul 31 00:32:12 EDT 2003
  
  Musicislife
  
  i have clearly stated that it is an anology. i have not equated any one. let me give you another anology for this anology itself (this is going crazy) .... al i said was the difference between 100 and 120 is the same as difference between 10300 and 10320. it dosent mean that by any way i am equating 120 with 10320 or 100 with 10300(are you getting my flow?), all i am saying is the difference is similar (which is 20 in this case)
  
  sorry for this post that is totally unrelated to music.
  
  N Teja
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 61.8.210.76) on: Thu Jul 31 00:38:50 EDT 2003
  
  N Teja,
  
  Manasellam was released this year and it has very good songs. Your blind ear and blind eye has blocked your brain. Like MusicIsLife mentioned, ARR copied his idols mj, yanni, kitaro, jean michel jarre, etc etc. and translated them to 'his' music. ARR is a 80's person. He has also helped himself a lot generously from those period for his music now. Don't know which well u live in. But some of us are exposed to all other artists music around the world becoz we do not live in wells like you and wait for a fly to come by and get excited.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.131.13) on: Thu Jul 31 01:27:35 EDT 2003
  
  i dont understand howcome all ARR fans hav become stupids overnight!!!!!
  they r trying to compare tajmahal with a modern day skyscrapper.
  they r trying to compare symphony with rock and heavymetal music.
  they r trying to compare Einstein with Abdul kalaam.
  they r trying to compare Picasso with M.f.hussain.
  they r trying to compare Don Bradman with Sachin tendulkar.
  good keep comparing and history will do justice to greatness as it has already done.
  
  i still hav doubt over N teja that like his predecessors he too will disappear.AW wat did u try to mean by that post on maths. be specific please.
  
  
• From: Sreeni (@ 203.56.247.132) on: Thu Jul 31 01:52:12 EDT 2003
  
  "Your blind ear and blind eye has blocked your brain."
  
  Speak for yourself. Why else would you would you fail to notice that IR has lifted the Axel F theme from Beverly Hills Cop for Nilavinile?
  
  As for MJ, Jarre etc, ARR actually *collaborated* with them. He has not copied anything more from them than IR has copied from Mozart etc.
  
  
• From: N Teja (@ 131.170.6.142) on: Thu Jul 31 02:32:36 EDT 2003
  
  ambleen
  
  as usual you have made statements without any proof. tell me which songs arr copied from mj, yanni, kitaro, jean michel jarre.... whatever. "Blind?" look who is talking. you are the one who closed your eyes to the reality that is the extraordinary success of ARR. I used to listen to the old songs of IR and i still try to listen to the new ones. the problem is the only ones worth listening are the old ones, when i listen to the new ones from IR, i constantly wonder if it is the same person, who composed those hits in the 80s.
  
  analogys are not done to equate 2 people, they are rather there to see the same situation from a different perspective. if you guys still think that i equated any of the people, i am sorry i cant help your ignorance.
  
  "Manasellam was released this year and it has very good songs"
  
  are you serious.... i think that was one of the most rediculous statements i have ever heard, even for you ambleen. the opening song during the titles was so pathetic, i was really shock that IR would have done something this bad. he has reached a new low with that. we were watching the movie and one of my friends(IR fan and i always have arguemnts with him on ARR-IR topic), personally movied the slider past the songs after a few lines of the song gets started. even he couldnt listen to them.
  
  Musicislife
  
  "Anything in excess is Poison: including recycling"
  
  the fact is ARR oda recycled tunes ku irrukura demand kuda IR original tunes ku illa, that is the situation...
  
  N Teja
  
  
• From: Sharmi (@ 217.44.94.246) on: Thu Jul 31 02:36:22 EDT 2003
  
  N Teja,
  I happen to think that Manasellam was a superb album. Almost all of the songs were good. I loved Iniya Naal, Iniya Nadhi, Oru Jodi Kuyil and Nee Thoongum Neraththil. When has ARR every created any songs with this much feeling. Only IR can relay so much feeling and emotion through his music. When I saw the movie, even though the film was not great, the songs brought tears to my eyes as they really suited every moment in the movie.
  
  ARR has copied from numerous artists.Even in Boys if you hear the trailer there is a copy of "Speed Demon" by MJ.
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on: Thu Jul 31 03:22:59 EDT 2003
  
  Sharmi >> Iniya nathi - instrument version good. Instrument verison very good.
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on: Thu Jul 31 03:23:40 EDT 2003
  
  Sharmi >> Iniya nathi - vocal version good. Instrument verison very good
  
  
• From: Sharmi (@ 217.44.94.246) on: Thu Jul 31 03:36:24 EDT 2003
  
  I actually liked the vocal version as well. The song fit the scene aptly and did great justice to the movie.
  
  Also how about En Mana Vaanil, even though the film was poor, the songs were spectacular.
  
  But we are going away from the topic here. Without a doubt YSR is the future of TFM. All the ARR fans are saying that ARR is the best and he will always be the best. Guys,understand that ARR won't be around forever and after he is gone, theonly ray of light for TFM is YSR>
  
  
• From: Sreeni (@ 203.56.247.117) on: Thu Jul 31 04:02:32 EDT 2003
  
  "I happen to think that Manasellam was a superb album. "
  
  Well, you happen to think wrong. Even if we grant you your opinions, they certainly say nothing about the music. Since there are no unanimously agreed-upon objective criteria for musical excellence, the only thing we can go by is the number of people interested in an album and its commercial success. By that criteria the album failed, period. There are other criteria like posterity - but, obviously, we can't go by that since we'll all be dead by then, and critical opinion - but we all know that critics have their own biases, agendas and areas of ignorance.
  
  Why do you people always bring up the brought-tears-to-my-eyes argument? Tears prove nothing except, perhaps, your willingness to be regarded as a sissy. Thousands of women weep everyday while watching soaps on Indian tv - does that mean the composers of all those serials are geniuses?
  
  Here's my opinion to counter your's. The music in Manasellam is crushingly bland. The beats are hilarious. Even a 5-year old Casio-owner would hesitate to use those beats. It's a good thing nobody outside his small circle of hardcore fans bothers with this stuff, or else IR's past achievements would be besmirched.
  
  If you and your ilk profess to find this bilge enjoyable, even moving, that's because you are fixated upon the past. It's precisely because of nostalgic and undiscriminating fans like you that IR's music today is largely failing to engage neutral listeners. But that is alright, I guess that is what you want.
  
  However, your scorn for everything else is misplaced. You have chosen to hold onto a piece of flotsam in the raging torrent of time and harangue passers-by. From your hardly-very-stable vantage point you claim access to universal standards and absolute judgement. Like retired Government employees you regard everything around you with a jaundiced eye, excepting those cases where dynastic succession is involved. But time sweeps on and your ranting is already growing tinny and incoherent in our ears.
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 61.8.210.76) on: Thu Jul 31 04:48:32 EDT 2003
  
  to the gypsies,
  
  We can also sum up that if you claim to enjoy your stolen music without it ever touching your soul or getting goosebumps or tears then we very well know how much these stolen music is working for you.
  The reason we buy CDs is to listen over and over again. I guess with the music u r listening, u only need to turn on the radio, get some excitement from the beats of your kind music and move on to the next one.
  
  
• From: Mythila (@ 208.220.245.72) on: Thu Jul 31 05:16:27 EDT 2003
  
  Sreeni,the topic of this thread also agrees with what you say. Just substitute Manasellam with Parasuram, ARR with YSR ,"brought tears to eyes" with cliches like "ARR rulez, rocks " and so on.
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on: Thu Jul 31 05:34:16 EDT 2003
  
  Sreeni, thanks for explaining how NOT to enjoy music. Height of your comment is "we can go by is the number of people interested in an album and its commercial success". No individuality itself. Aattu mandhai taste! By this logic, DHOOL should have been better musical than Bharathi. POTD (post of the day). It is just unbelievable you guys come up with credit POTD. Tax payment = Musical quality, Casette sales (as if you guys have clear statistics) = MQ. Real junkies.
  Instead of tears, i got Brrrrrrrrrrrrr because of BABA.Is it Ok Guruji?? Or was it due to "vaitherical" or "Ajeeram"?
  
  
• From: Sreeni (@ 203.56.247.117) on: Thu Jul 31 06:09:23 EDT 2003
  
  "..without it ever touching your soul or getting goosebumps or tears.."
  
  Ah, how easily you declare that your soul is touched! It would appear that your soul is no deeper than your sole. Surely, someone whose soul has been really touched would be more accepting and tolerant of others?
  
  If our feelings are touched by music, we don't rush to make that fact public, we don't present it as proof of the merit of the music we love. Most importantly, we don't employ it as a cudgel to extract the concurrence of others. One man's heartrending music is another man's unbearable mush.
  
  Feelings of this sort are at best peripheral to the discussion of the music for they could equally be provoked by non-musical sounds like your mother's voice or the cry of a bird. But if we are here to discuss songs we must strive to exclude their extra-musical aspects. For example, if I say that I like a particular song because it reminds me of a fond childhood friend, that might be an interesting biographical fact, but does it say anything about the music?
  
  I notice some sort of implicit value judgement in your comment about beats. I find it amusing, I must say. No piece of music anywhere, whether classical or jazz or pop, is without rhythm of some sort, to mark out time and provide steady underpinning to melodic and harmonic superstructures. However, it is only in modern pop music, that too in the pop music from India, Africa and Cuba especially and also, of course, in dnb and garage, that great attention is paid to the rhythm or "beats", there is constant expectation from the audience for increasing innovation, complexity and detail.
  
  Today, just using tablas and dholaks and teen taal will not do. Today our ears expect rhythmic adornment *in addition* to melodic twists and harmonic development. In dance songs the goal of this innovation might be "excitement" but in other kinds of songs it is a matter of avoiding stale patterns and textures, of attracting the listener's ear by giving him/her interesting complexity.
  
  Your constant whining about "stolen music" is growing increasingly boring and meaningless. We are all immersed in the matrix of culture and everyone channels it to an extent. This is as true of IR as it is of ARR.
  
  In fact, if they did not channel culture at all, we wouldn't understand them since the very faculties that we use to understand music have been created and formed by that culture. If you want to listen to an un-channeled cultural artifact, try Chinese opera. You'll quickly understand why a degree of familiarity is inevitable and necessary. Where would IR be without his interludes from Mozart and Beethoven? Have you listened to the Axel F theme?
  
  ARR's music is playing all over the world, the most far-flung people are now listening to it and enjoying it; your accusations remain unsupported.
  
  

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