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Yesterday - Illayarajah Today - A.R. Rahman Tomorrow - Yuvan Shankar Raja

Topic started by Pras (@ 66.185.84.71) on Sat Jan 25 08:43:29 EST 2003.
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Who Do You Think Is The Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow MD of TFM?

I think its:
Yesterday - Illayarajah
Today - A.R. Rahman
Tomorrow - Yuvan Shankar Raja

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Responses:

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• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.128.157) on: Wed Jul 30 05:37:34 EDT 2003
  
  jag,
  
  thx for the information.AW as far as i remember sathya was a 1987 tamil new yr release[ april 14th].after sathya kamal did the movie soorasamharam which was deepavali realease. as iam a kamal fan too iam able to remember this, i may be wrong, pls confirm this and also whether udayam/shiva was a release prior to these movies.
  
  wheres MADDY MADDY MAD MAD MADDY, we IR fans r overloading him with facts i believe?????
  
  
• From: Prabhu (@ 161.114.64.71) on: Wed Jul 30 06:25:51 EDT 2003
  
  Post-95 hatched chicks like Maddy, Paran have to hide in an incubator once the topic moves to anything prior to 1995! ;-)
  
  
• From: Whatever (@ 203.131.109.66) on: Wed Jul 30 06:41:11 EDT 2003
  
  To give credit where it is due, ARR's biggest achievement has been the quality and clarity of recording. I don't know if this can be attributed to him because the technology and equipment might play a hand too, but it surely is better than the muffled sounds we heard pre-ARR. I cannot think of anything else that he did to "revolutionize" the music industry. He is successful and good luck to him.
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.9.26.160) on: Wed Jul 30 11:52:09 EDT 2003
  
  rajasaranam,
  I think you are right that Satya(1988) came before Shiva(1989). Though Shiva brought together a lot more elements of techinicality than Satya which included the audiography I was talking about. But in fact Suresh Krishna is also noted for technical brilliance, but he ended up becoming a mass masala director.
  
  Mr.Thangaraj,
  You want techinical astuteness? watch Mouna Ragam or Apoorva Sagothargal or Udhayam or Anjali or Nayagan or Veedu or Satya. I'll give you one thing that ARR did bring about the downfall of the TFM industry with the MD taking a back seat again. People stopped going to movies because of some MD, they started caring about story , director etc...
  Except for a couple of movies which ran due to initial euphoria ARR was never the reason for many of his movies' success. Even oridinary movies become blockbusters due to IR, and its a fact.
  
  
• From: k (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Wed Jul 30 13:23:27 EDT 2003
  
  ARR has consistently good recording quality..IR never had. YSR and HJ are making this as important part of their offering like ARR.
  IR has done very good recordings too even much earlier..even ARR's does not sound that transparent. viz. ninaivellAm nithya, geethanjali, ananda ragam, thanikAttu raaja, and later thalapathy, siraichAlai, avatharam and many early 90s like singaravElan. Many people dont realise IR's recording are good mainly because it is all real instruments done acoustically. They are placed well behind the vocals, whereas ARR close mikes them (when he is not using a keyboard/drum machine) and puts them up in the front.
  
  
• From: V (@ 147.129.99.180) on: Wed Jul 30 15:00:18 EDT 2003
  
  To give an analogy,
  
  IR situation - one college student(like IR) goes and competes with 1st standard kids in mathematics and says he came 1st in all exams and was never beaten.
  
  ARR situation - one college student goes and competes with other college students and obviously sometimes he comes 3rd 4th or 5th in some exams, but overall has won the admiration from the whole college.
  
  
  SO, It means ARR has good competition in his Era and he has still succeeeded, although recently he has been overtaken by his peers. I fully accept that!!
  
  IR on the other hand had no competiton. so even his trash music was recognised and obviously when you have only one MD with no competition, directors better goto that MD to make his film a hit!!
  
  but in the end both are college students of good calibre. But both study different subjects and hence cannot be compared.
  
  Currently,
  
  In the present TFM position, it is true that MD has taken a backseat. It is actually good for TFM since other "real" film areas like story, director, camera have been given importance.
  
  The reason for this is that ARR or VS can do the job that film directors want and nobody cares who does it.
  
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.132.133) on: Wed Jul 30 15:00:46 EDT 2003
  
  jag,
  
  thx again for the info.
  
  a follow up on K's post on recording quality.well i accept that ARR's recording quality is far superior to IR's when looked generally.but considering the budget of movies all these allegations can be shattered. of the total movies IR has composed for, abt 75% will qualify to be low budget or medium budget movies. the budget doesnt allow IR to record the movie to the top quality. but all his mega budget movies like MR's or Kamal's movies had far superior recording quality.
  ARR has done only mega budget movies. this shud make everybody understand why his recording quality is superior.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.132.133) on: Wed Jul 30 15:20:49 EDT 2003
  
  hi V,
  nice to see u again.
  
  IR situation - one College student sincerely studies for the exam and passes out no.1 ahead of his competitors like MSV, Shankar ganesh, Chandrabose, Deva, Amsalekha,S.A.Rajkumar Adithyan, V.S. narasimhan, L.Vaithyanathan, Kunnakudi Vaithyanathan, Ravi devendran, Laxmikant Pyarelal, Bappi lahiri, R.D.burman,Manoj Kiyan and many more.
  
  ARR situation - when nobody else was present for competition other than IR, sincerely copies during the exam and passes out no.1.
  
  Summary- after this episode many other students followed his footsteps and copied right and left to get into no.1 position. finally some of them became masters in copying and ocassionaly claim the no.1 position ahead of others. but a student is still striving with his sincerest efforts to genuinely study and get the no.1 position. we all know who is that. dont we?
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.132.133) on: Wed Jul 30 15:37:19 EDT 2003
  
  Some more competitors of IR era
  Dakshinamoorthy, V.Kumar, Salil choudhry,T.Rajendhar, Shyam, Sangeetharajan, G.K.Venkatesh. Vijayabaskar,Gangai Amaran [lol]
  
  Ravi devendran of earlier post shud read as raveendran, devendran
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.9.26.160) on: Wed Jul 30 17:53:17 EDT 2003
  
  School and college?
  Fact:
  IR-Trinity College, Gold Medalist in Piano and Guitar
  
  ARR- Trinity College, Scholarship and Passed out on Guitar
  
  V is being V ery unreasonable in
  comparisons. You must be really something to think that MSV and KVM were no competition.
  
  Another Fact: VS was there when IR was in his peak and he could not survive the competition.
  Let me also mention telugu MD's like Ramesh Naidu, S.Rajeshwara Rao(genius) and Raj-Koti(plagiarists but still) who were competitive enough.
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 165.121.137.142) on: Wed Jul 30 20:08:09 EDT 2003
  
  Yes, I believe V is being unreasonable. No one in his right mind will talk like that about IR. May be V did that in retaliation to some IR fanatics' bashing of ARR, but still it is in poor taste. IR is an all-time great MD, period. If someone can replicate his output that would be really something.
  
  It is news to me that VS was there when IR was at his peak. Jag, I thought that VS debuted in the mid nineties.
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.9.26.160) on: Wed Jul 30 21:03:23 EDT 2003
  
  Music4ever,
  VS debuted in late 80's in telugu, around 1989. Initially he used to imitate IR's instrumentization and did come up with some good scores, even gave music to one Chiranjeevi starrer. But Raaja was churning out masterpieces left and right at that time and VS quietly vanished into oblivion, only to resurface with Arjun's Karna which was hit in Telugu too. I think he was keyboard player for Raj-Koti and IR for a while.
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on: Wed Jul 30 21:12:14 EDT 2003
  
  Whatever>> I agree. ARR's Roja songs reached greater hights more due to clarity of recordings than the tune itself. Still, recording clarity is better wrt to ARR compared to HJ/YSR. IR could have bothered less about this partially because production quality is not really composers job & also the pace he works with.But for film MD this proves to be far more important in presentation.
  K>> Your post is too techie, can you explain further
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.110) on: Wed Jul 30 21:27:32 EDT 2003
  
  Vetti V
  
  Realize the IR's contribution to the TFM and then you talk about the college competition. See How many movies IR was doing in an year. He relieved many crap movies with his music I mentioned some example. Insted doing that he can simply do the hindi and all other films. As you think no competetor how sincerely he worked for tfm.He was the reason for more no of movies.
  Do you know IR made several enemy they were trying all the way to pull down IR for several years. Still he was sincerely doing for TF industry. As you people's logic we can say it was his mistake to do for hindi since you people are claiming with ARR's hindi popularity. But IR himself realised who will do then?. He himself knows the industry was depends on him from superstar,MR,BR....
  So he avoided all hindi films. SO you have nothing to claim with ARR's hindi album with IR if you have sense to realize IR's contribution and ARR's contribution.
  
  Do you agree with now there is no value now for any MD?.
  
  So ARR entered in to the field with IR's enemy MR,BR,KKB,GV,kathir etc...some exception sankar,kunjumon. Both of them need support from each other. He did many movies selectively with particular directors and his many albums were flop without support.His poor ability of composing for years decreased no of movies and artist become dominated. Finally the importance of the MD vanished in the film industry.Only one thing ARR achieved he could become with rest of tamilnadu.But you have nothing to compare with IR. Realize IR's contribution and ARR's contribution. You go and tell that with HJ,YSR,VS etc..Then what ARR contributed for TFM.
  
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 61.8.210.77) on: Wed Jul 30 22:01:56 EDT 2003
  
  "To give an analogy,
  
  IR situation - one college student(like IR) goes and competes with 1st standard kids in mathematics and says he came 1st in all exams and was never beaten.
  
  ARR situation - one college student goes and competes with other college students and obviously sometimes he comes 3rd 4th or 5th in some exams, but overall has won the admiration from the whole college."
  
  sorry, V. ur posts got shot down badly for writing rubbish anology. U must try harder, If not, u r the one who may need to go back to school. :)
  
  
• From: N Teja (@ 131.170.6.141) on: Wed Jul 30 22:55:03 EDT 2003
  
  hi xml,
  
  "He relieved many crap movies with his music"
  
  the only thing IR did this year is not to relieve but to torture us with some of the worst crappy music he has ever composed for even more crappy movies and just as expected the albums flopped big time. manaselleam was such a crappy album, i know quiet a few music shop owners who told me they had to return the cassetes. i made these checks after some of the IR fans claimed that these cassettes just disappeared from the shops and went to the peoples houses... (it was ambleen who said that).
  
  " Insted doing that he can simply do the hindi and all other films"
  
  ya right, IR has decided not to do hindi films. i cant believe how rediculous that line is. he can do hindi films only if some producer or director approaches him for some movie. he is struggling to find good ones in tamil itself and with the kind of music he is giving for those movie... good luck finding a movie from hindi.
  
  "Still he was sincerely doing for TF industry"
  
  the same arguement holds. he hardly made a mark in the hindi film industry. the only place people bother to listen to him is here in the south, and in the recent years only the hard core IR fans like you are listening to his music.
  
  i said this some time back, and i say it again, IR's short stint at hindi was not that successful that is the reason he is still here. on the other hand ARR was not only successful in hindi, but now he is succeeding in the international scene too.
  
  "The show, which I saw in London last year, has one huge asset: a
  marvellous score by A.R. Rahman, well known in India for his film
  work."
  
  this was quoted in toronto star newspaper
  http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1058393418398&call%20%20_pageid=968867495754&col=969483191630
  
  there is some more international news, it is an article in the time magazine(online one) abt bollywood, read what they have to say abt bombay dreams music at the end of the second paragraph.
  http://www.time.com/time/columnist/corliss/article/0,9565,471885,00.html
  
  i have deviated from TFM but the reason is that, some people have the misconception (some how they have formed it) that bombay dreams is a flop and the music isnt good and stuff. about one thing you are absolutely right though... you cant compare ARR with IR. it is like you take the boy next door, who has been playing cricket in the playground behind your house and is a very good batsman againest the bowlers in the playground, and try to compare him with tendulkar, who was successful that that level too and then he went on to play at the national level and was hugly successful and then has gone to the international level and winning accolades at that level too. this is for you ambleen since you have the habit of totally misunderstanding or misinterpretting the posts, let me clarify some thing, my anology is like this , the boys next door, who failed to make it good in the national level and is currently not doing so well even in the local play ground is IR and tendulkar -> ARR.
  
  N Teja
  ps: to the guys who write replies with indecent language, you are wasting your time cos i am neither going to read them not reply to them.
  
  

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