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Writer Charu Nivedhitha's comments on IR's music

Topic started by ash (@ 12.5.196.254) on Tue Jun 4 12:25:49 EDT 2002.
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• From: ST (@ 64.229.179.177) on: Fri Aug 23 13:19:05 EDT 2002
  
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  From: ash (@ 12.5.196.254) on: Tue Jun 4 12:30:55 EDT 2002
  
  
  Sorry, I forgot to give the link. http://www.vikatan.com. Its in the section "Konal Pakkangal" by writer "CHARU NIVEDHITHA"
  I feel he is right. Even though Iam a hardcore fan of IR, I still agree what he says. Anybody has his or her own right to decide/speak about his/her likes and dislikes. Eg:I dont like IR's music. I dont like Rajinikanth's acting. I dont like SPB's voice etc..
  
  
  From: ash (@ 66.25.52.229) on: Thu Aug 22 22:08:17 EDT 2002
  
  
  Unmai
  I do definitely agree with your point(s). Yes Charu is not a musical genius like Yesudas or Subbudu, but his article has appeared in "Vikatan" which is a very popular magazine. I'd like to bring to your notice my earlier posting on this thread "to put a full stop" to this thread. I now again request all the TFM page surfers to put a full stop. I have also send a mail to the webmaster of TFM to take this thread out of TFM page. Anyhow IR is the greatest and there is no doubt about it.
  >>>
  
  Those two statements above were made by the same person with different user ID's [(ash (@ 12.5.196.254) & ash (@ 66.25.52.229)]. The second idiot things that Unmai knows better than Yesudas & Subbudu and urging to put a full stop to this thread. I think Unmai is disguised as ash & trying to close this thread by calling himself as genius. This fu[king mental idiot Unmai is desperately trying to prove that IR's craps are the best in the world. Just see what others think of him
  
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  To all the guys who are trying to reason with Unmai. Unmai doesn't speak. He spits venom.
  Beyond all his paragraphs and paragraphs of writing, we can only see a frustrated IR fan clutching at straws. Let us be magnamious. Let him rattle on and on.
  
  Do you note something interesting: Uthaman --> JJ --> Unmai. When one disappears, the other appears and the one gone, never returns! >>>
  
  So I will urge the admin to delete all postings made by this pathetic pannadai Unmai under different names. Please stay away from this mental disorder person !!!
  
  
• From: ash (@ 66.25.52.229) on: Sat Aug 24 12:20:00 EDT 2002
  
  Hello guys This is ash. Those two addresses are my work and home addresses. I recently subscribed for a broadband Internet services, hence I am using it from home. Earlier I use to login from my work. I do not know anybody by name "Unmai" except that I have seen his postings in the TFM page.
  And one more kind request. Please put an end to this topic.
  Thanks to you all.
  
  
• From: ST (@ 64.229.179.177) on: Mon Aug 26 12:37:50 EDT 2002
  
  This clearly shows that you got to be really stupid to be IR's fan. I will urge IR fans not to start a thread to discuss this because I have commented on IR (like Charu Nivedhitha's comments on IR).
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ ) on: Thu Jan 16 03:40:26 EST 2003
  
  Hey heck....
  What the comment is all about...?
  
  Does any one have the links to the exact article that this CN has written....
  
  Every thing is given in this thread except for that article...
  
  Hey come on..some one please diurect me to that exact article.
  
  
  
  
• From: CN (@ 195.107.47.225) on: Thu Jan 16 06:31:08 EST 2003
  
  AY,
  try this link, it might give you the lead, anyway why are you so desperate to find out?
  
  http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/15583.19.18.32.html
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.11.66) on: Thu Jan 16 07:24:53 EST 2003
  
  AY,
  
  Get it here:
  http://www.vikatan.com/vc/2002/may/vc0314.shtml
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 192.127.94.7) on: Thu Jan 16 08:58:09 EST 2003
  
  I had mentioned already.
  The Charu Nivedha is just seeking popularity thru controversy. Nothing better.
  
  
• From: ARR FAN (@ 64.231.115.151) on: Fri Jan 17 09:54:41 EST 2003
  
  charu unakku pudikaliya potheeddu poooooodi
  unna yaaru keaddu aaluthaaaa
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.115.31.67) on: Mon Jan 20 02:31:34 EST 2003
  
  Not desperate actually, but even when this thread came into being, I couldn't find that article..Now when the same issue is recked about now..then I am bit curious.
  
  
• From: mythila (@ 137.237.12.109) on: Thu Jan 23 12:43:53 EST 2003
  
  MSV,IR,ARR can be said as tfm trinity.
  Unlike MSV who had KD's backing and ARR who has VM's backing, IR doesn't have great lyricist backing. Yet most of his songs stand out for sheer musical credit, greatness in composition. Eg: Edo mogum(mediocre lyrics with landmark music), Anandaraagam ketkum kaalam( again mediocre lyrics and great music in Simhendramadyamam raagam), Chendoorapoove(haunting melody with ordinary lyrics). I can quote lots of songs like that. Among the 3, MSV's and ARR 's songs are not topics of (I mean technical) discussion as much as IR's songs. IR's songs are talked more for musical value, technicalities as they are of immense interest to a person who is interested to analyse the music.
  But all the 3 deliver good music.
  
  
• From: L (@ 144.42.9.23) on: Thu Jan 23 14:25:12 EST 2003
  
  Guys,
  
  After reading his KONAL PAKKANGAL in VIKATAN, I too felt that he is ARROGANT and not fit for writing.
  
  But after reading his wife's (AVANTIKA's KADHAI) story, how she was raped when she was a little girl etc, how she went through her first marriage, and yet he married her etc, made my respect for him to grow.
  
  This is just my feeling. Visit http://www.charuonline.com to find out what I am talking about.
  
  L
  
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 192.127.94.7) on: Thu Jan 23 17:12:13 EST 2003
  
  well told mythila123. I always have the feeling that IR delivered better music than MSV. But I agree with you on the lyrics part of it.
  
  
• From: Sharma (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Thu Jan 23 20:36:45 EST 2003
  
  mythila
  
  1. VM came into the field when IR was ruling!
  Big joke saying that IR didn't have good lyricists. In fact, IR's downfall began when he broke off with VM.
  
  2. Lyrical content was at its worst during IR's time, simply because he gave such prominence to the music that everything else was secondary.
  
  3. Technicalities of music has been always there during the entire evolution of TFM. It is just that YOU are interested in IR's period only.
  
  
• From: Bala (@ 4.37.102.100) on: Thu Jan 23 21:40:12 EST 2003
  
  hey comon sharma.. ilayaraja is always good.Vairamuthu was completely kicked from the industry when he refused to pen for ilayaraja.Then also ilayaraja was doing good only.But i wont agree that Raja didnt work with good lyricists.Vaali, ponnadiyan, kaamakodiyan,pazhanibarathy.. are really very good lyricists.Vaali is compritively good like vairamuthu.Even M.G.R. replaced kannadasan with vaali in padagoti which was a roaring success.Same thing with gopalakrishnan.. he replaced kannadasan with vaali for karpagam.I don't need to tell how good the songs are.Ilayaraja himself is a good lyricist which is a very good talent that any other music director can think of.What r u talkin about as technology.Technology will never come when u just inherit a western song and made it as indian song .Technology comes when u create ur music to the quality that western songs have.Ninaithaalae inikkum and Priya were released at the same period.But Ninaithaalae inikkum songs were like that u have already heard them somewhere.But Priya songs looked fresh.Plz don't think that i am criticising msv.He was a legend of his times.I'm sorry to say that he literally tried to westernize the tamil music whereas ilayraja tried to orcahestrate the tamil song to the western quality.He won in doing that also.Thats what raja is.Music is not only on the songs.. it has a lot to do with the BGM... i am leaving a open challenge to ARR .. will he be able to do a movie without any songs.Even if he does that will it be a successful movie.Its not only for ARR.. its for all this generation MD's including yuvan.For instance i have a chinese roommate.He use to watch a lot of indian movies(recent) with us.Whenever he listens to the songs he will tell its like that rap song its like that jazz song, its like an arbian song.Where is ur native music? Then only i have shown him some of raja's work.He is really impressed by his work. I like the hindi music bcoz of this only.Whatever the song that will always have a hindustani base.But we people are loosing our identity.
  
  
• From: Sharma (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Thu Jan 23 21:57:46 EST 2003
  
  Bala
  
  1. IR is good, not always good.
  
  2. When VM and IR split, it was IR who failed not VM. Don't forget another good lyricist Gangai Amaran. In fact, many people believe that GA was behind IR's 80s success.
  
  3. I guess you don't understand mythila's point on technology. Read her point and then read my response. You may then understand.
  
  4. In my opinion Ninaithaale Inikkum is far superior to Priya. Priya is significant because of the introduction of Stereo. With NI, MSV proved that he is THE mellisai mannan.
  
  5. Your suggestion on MSV westernising tamil music shows that you know VERY LITTLE of TFM pre-IR. I suggest you read up, listen and then comment on that period. No offense.
  
  6. As for BGM, even IR was totally influnced by MSV in his early days. See those early movies and you will know what I mean.
  Anyway BGM is like icing of the cake. The cake is THE MOST important thing you know.
  
  7. Talking about movies without songs, it has also been done pre-IR. Do some checking please. Do you know for the last 15 minutes of Aval Oru Thodarkathai, there was no dialogues at all. The entire story concluded with JUST music. Music by MSV.
  
  8. Your story on your Chinese friend does not impress me. If you invited your friend to your house and serve him saambhar saadham, he will say it is excellent. But will he eat that every day?
  Present day's music however, has transgressed all boundaries. Give credit where it is due please.
  
  
• From: Bala (@ 4.37.102.100) on: Thu Jan 23 22:34:49 EST 2003
  
  1. VM didnt fail.. where was this vm after he left Raja.. till Roja came.Then vm's complaint about ilayaraja saying that he tried to supress his lyrics with his music.My god..what is this ARR doing...Y he is not talking anything to ARR.. bcoz if ARR kicks him again then he has to wait for another decade to give a reentry.
  
  2. I hope u didnt understand my view on the techology.I'm not talking about the sound engineering.if that is only thing then we r always living with good technicians from the chandralekha peroid.I'm talking about the music directors knowledge over the world music and the vast usage of the musical instruments.Tamil music was in lack of all those in the pre-IR peroid.. If u didnt agree with this tell me the reason y the people were fond of listeneing hindi music than tamil music on pre-IR period.
  
  3. Everyone know that Viswanathan - Ramamoorthy were good than MSV. Its becoz Ramamoorthy is good in carnatic music and msv is good in western music.So that combination worked out.When MSV.. started working alone..directors approached K.V.Mahadevan for the rich carnatic music. Thiruvilayaadal, sankarabaranam kind of projects left the hands of msv even he was popular than k.v.m becoz of this reason only.And moreover MSV is much leaned towards the western songs.
  
  4. Its his problem of not using the available technology.. i am talking about the stereo.He gave so many movies after the introdution of stereo also.Y they were not so good.. atleast like Priya. If i talk about jhonny then u have to be speechless.
  
  5. Ilayaraja is completely influenced by msv in the bgm in his early years.. really an interesting piece. I dont know whether u have seen annakili or not. Every frame of the movie was spilled with the contry side music.. which ever msv tried. Even MSV will accept this. I can give u lot of examples like this.Another great
  piece is mullum malarum.
  
  6. Movies without songs.. i could only say Veenai Balachander who comes close to ilayaraja. his Or Iravu.. is really a very good example. But thats also becoz of shivaji's acting and the tight screenplay made that great.
  
  
  
• From: Sharma (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Thu Jan 23 22:56:42 EST 2003
  
  1. I can also say the same thing. Where was IR after Rojaa? VM made a comeback. IR didnt.
  
  2. You really don't understand what mythila and I were talking about. She claimed that there is not much technical discussion on songs prior to IR and after IR. I disagreed to this. What are you saying, in relation to this?
  
  4. People were listening to Hindi music as well as Tamil music then. With IR, they were only listening to Tamil music. With ARR, the Hindi people started to listen to Tamil music. See the evolution?
  But nearly 80% of MSV's song of 40 years ago are still being listened to. How many percent of IR's songs of 20 years ago are being listened to?
  
  5. It is your opinion that V-R is better than MSV. Apparently the producers of those times, prefered to use MSV compared to TKR. Maybe you know some thing they didn't know?
  
  6. Your analogy of producers using KVM instead of MSV is not right. Say you give me two shirts and I use the blue one. Are you going to ask me why I don't like the other one? :)
  
  7. I agree with you that after IR's arrival and over a period of time, MSV's production became stale as compared to his earlier years.
  Similarly, IR has also deteriorated so much after the advent of ARR. Kaalathin kattaayam?
  
  8. If I become speechless with Johnny, you will become dumbstruck with so many movies like Karnan for instance.
  
  9. As for BGM, it was with Kavari Maan that IR departed from the normal practice then. Until then, he followed MSV's footsteps.
  Your claim that MSV can't do village BGM is ignorance to the max.
  
  10. Finally, why do you credit, directors and actors for good movies when it comes to non-IR movies but take the sole credit when it comes to IR movies? Ithu ungalukke gnyayamaa irukkaa? :)
  
  

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