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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: Vijay (@ 212.137.179.240) on: Sun Aug 27 11:45:08 EDT 2000
  
  I could believe it if I was told that a song that sounded similar to another song was just "inspired" by the other (without the composer actually intending to copy the original song note-for-note) if it was being said about musicians like A.R.Rahman or Ilayaraja. But it seems that composers like Deva, S.A.Rajkumar and the others get inspired a little too often and a little too much.
  
  
• From: Vijay (@ 212.137.179.240) on: Sun Aug 27 11:55:24 EDT 2000
  
  I don't know if anyone apart from me knew that "Salomiyaa" from "Kannedhirae Thondrinaazh" by Deva was actually copied from a song (I think the song was something like "Seyonee") by the Pakistani group "Vital Signs". I wasn't too surprised when I noticed the similarity between the two songs, since Deva is known for copying the work of other musicians. But I was really surprised when I heard "Meghamaai vandhu poghiraen" from "Thuzhaadha Manamum Thuzhum", for it was a copy of "Salomiyaa" - a copy of a copy!
  
  
• From: SM (@ 205.227.43.13) on: Sun Aug 27 12:16:45 EDT 2000
  
  "adi Aththi" song from 'Pasumpon' seems to be inspired by "sithakathi pooKKaLE" from 'RAjaKumAran', especially the BGM before the charanams.
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Sun Aug 27 13:46:09 EDT 2000
  
  vijay it took so long to find it? lol. That too you think only you know it!.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Sun Aug 27 23:50:55 EDT 2000
  
  Just wondering if "humko man ki shakthi dhEna" and "kaNNum kaNNum kalanthu ingu"( ..sontham koNdaaduthE)..
  
  
• From: Jee (@ 193.188.124.130) on: Mon Aug 28 00:19:46 EDT 2000
  
  Muralidharan,
  
  Pesum maNi muthu rojakkaL by MSV
  
  
• From: vishakan (@ 129.78.15.97) on: Mon Aug 28 02:26:06 EDT 2000
  
  Hi guys,
  
  The "Aaagayam" song from Rhythm (ARR) has strong resemblance (coppied in my opinion) to
  "Shakthi Sahitha Ganapath" by Muthuswami Dikshithar.
  
  vishakan
  
  
• From: Whoami (@ 216.170.146.149) on: Mon Aug 28 13:07:18 EDT 2000
  
  The 'Azhagu' song in Baasha is said to be copied ditto from a song in Hindi movie - "Caravan" starring Jeetendra. I heard the caravan song once in some channel. Has someone head that song. Is it available on the net?
  
  
• From: ramesh (@ 210.214.104.5) on: Mon Aug 28 13:54:50 EDT 2000
  
  Hey there is a difference between being INSPIRED and blatant COPYING ....
  
  IR occasionaly has songs sounding similar to western classical tunes ..this can be called inspiration ..as the small similarity may creep in unknowingly ...or from the vast knowledge of ancient tunes . Similarly some of ARR's tunes are inspired as well from contemporary western music as well as RD Burman's works and tamil golden oldies .... a slight similarity is acceptable occasionally .
  
  However devaa and the rest of the gang would probably be sentenced to a 1000 year jail sentence if there were copyright laws in India
  
  
• From: Caravan (@ 144.9.158.90) on: Mon Aug 28 14:15:28 EDT 2000
  
  Whoami,
  
  the caravan song is - dilbar dilbar jaane
  
  the word dilbar was replaced by azaghu in the song
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Mon Aug 28 20:03:32 EDT 2000
  
  Wondering if "yaadha aa rahi hain" and "yaarantha nilavu" are similar.
  
  
• From: Karthik (@ 12.10.193.123) on: Tue Aug 29 03:20:20 EDT 2000
  
  Sirpi's most famous song, 'azhagiya laila' was a direct lift from Egyptian singer Hisham Abbas's 'Ahla ma feki' from one of his albums released in 1995. Thaks to Krishna Mohan for the information. For those curious to listen to the original version, wait till Rajaram posts it in the 'copied' list. I have mailed it to him.
  
  Karthik
  
  
• From: RR (@ 192.122.134.137) on: Tue Aug 29 03:28:10 EDT 2000
  
  It's up! thanks Karthik.
  
  
• From: shysun (@ 202.9.174.144) on: Tue Aug 29 06:14:36 EDT 2000
  
  dear ms you are absolutely right ,why are you so good in this thread ?
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Tue Aug 29 11:05:27 EDT 2000
  
  I need a change, shysun - I had been a bad boy till date :-)
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Tue Aug 29 11:48:12 EDT 2000
  
  MS,
  
  after the first line, they diverge drastically (yAr andha nilavu and yAdh ArahI hai).
  
  
• From: SHYSUN (@ 202.9.174.140) on: Wed Aug 30 03:02:14 EDT 2000
  
  MS,GOOD THAT YOU HAVE CHANGED FOR THE BEST,HEAR AND HAIL THE ORIGINALITY OF RAAJA !!!
  
  
• From: csg (@ 202.144.64.4) on: Wed Aug 30 09:03:04 EDT 2000
  
  the song'oothikinu katichakava,katichikinu oothikava' is copied from a song in the movie vanangamudi.i was surprised to hear the tune,all these days i was thinking that deva is good at ganas,but to everybody;s disappointment even gana's are being copied and not inspired.
  
  Can any of you guys tell me who acted in the movie vanagamudi and who is the MD for the movie
  
  
• From: VB (@ 4.48.170.228) on: Sun Sep 3 09:50:55 EDT 2000
  
  'Columbus, columbus...' song in Jeans.
  Doesn't it start like 'Oh bladi, oh blada...' by Beatles?
  A copy by Rahman?
  
  
• From: KITKAT (@ 202.188.13.90) on: Sun Sep 3 20:05:48 EDT 2000
  
  The song nandhavana kuyilae pudhu mellisai nee paadu (donno the movie - new one) and aayiram kodi from karisakaattu poovae sound so similar. Is the first one also by IR?
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 194.149.80.1) on: Sun Sep 3 22:51:01 EDT 2000
  
  Kitkat.,
  Nandhavana kuyilee is by IR (From PoNNu veettuk kaaran)
  NagaS
  
  
• From: jeeves (@ 202.9.188.67) on: Mon Sep 4 01:43:39 EDT 2000
  
  katrae en vasal vandhai= nee kettal naan matten endra solven kanna.hum these and see,arr is once again inspired in rhythm katrae song.
  
  
• From: shysun (@ 202.9.188.65) on: Tue Sep 5 03:21:25 EDT 2000
  
  nee kettal naan mattaen endra solvaen kanna:enn kannadi koottullullae kanna kanna:katrae en vaasal vandhai:step by step inspired copying,
  1:original
  2:copied by sar in malabar police
  3:copied by arr in rhythm
  any contradictions,please post asap.....
  
  
• From: yvs mani (@ 164.100.16.161) on: Tue Sep 5 03:42:22 EDT 2000
  
  Palakkattu ponnu pambaram pola kannu from Malabar police - is it sound similar to kokku saiva kokku from Muthu. Can somebody throw some light?
  
  
• From: ID (@ 203.197.224.1) on: Tue Sep 5 07:38:29 EDT 2000
  
  ARR's "katrae en vasal" is not a copy ,it is based
  on KAANADA ragam (also the songs mentioned similar that song are based on kaanada) .
  Another eg:malare mounanma-vidyasagar.
  
  
• From: Chitambaram (@ 203.199.228.228) on: Wed Sep 6 05:48:59 EDT 2000
  
  I'd like to know if strawberry kanne from 'minsara kanavu'is an original song or is it a copy of any western tune. It sounds similar to an old western classsical song.
  
  
• From: Chitambaram (@ 203.199.228.228) on: Wed Sep 6 05:56:27 EDT 2000
  
  I'd like to know if strawberry kanne from 'minsara kanavu' is an original song or is it a copy of some western tune because it sounds similar to an western classical song.
  
  
• From: pg (@ 12.20.190.1) on: Wed Sep 6 08:03:02 EDT 2000
  
  "ARR's "katrae en vasal" is not a copy ,it is based
  on KAANADA ragam (also the songs mentioned similar that song are based on kaanada) .
  Another eg:malare mounanma-vidyasagar."
  
  Whenever anybody points out a similarity of an ARR song to an old song this is the standard defence.
  
  Look at the raga list, take a raga and see how many different songs in one raga !
  
  
• From: Gyani (@ 209.43.57.225) on: Wed Sep 6 10:26:36 EDT 2000
  
  Starting music in Rhythm song "Thaniyae Thana Thaniyae" is a lift from Starting music from MSV's old song "Saravana Poikaiyil Neeradhi ennai thantharul endraen murganidam".
  
  
• From: SL (@ 63.253.6.169) on: Fri Sep 8 02:53:47 EDT 2000
  
  The prelude for Chinna Chinna Aasai (the part before the synth flute piece, set to raggae beat starts) is the same as the title music for New Line Home Videos
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 12.10.193.122) on: Fri Sep 8 03:36:10 EDT 2000
  
  Was wondering if the popular islamiya paadal (i think sung by Nagoor Hanifa)..."iraivanidam kayendungal avan illai endru solluvathillai" is the inspiration for the film song "poove poochooda va"????
  
  Who's the composer of poove poo chooda va, BTW?
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 12.10.193.122) on: Fri Sep 8 06:26:54 EDT 2000
  
  In one of the older threads there was a mention on the late Egyptian singer, Ofra Azha. Its now famous that deva used bits of her song in Aasai's thilothama. There was another message that ARR also used her song in one of his albums.
  
  Does anybody know which song, in particular?
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Fri Sep 8 13:07:56 EDT 2000
  
  SL : link please..
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.201) on: Fri Sep 8 14:17:49 EDT 2000
  
  Karthik S: Nagoor Hanifaa uses a lot of popular film tunes with re-written religious lyrics so that it becomes popular with the followers. That is a separate "style" of copy, that's all.
  
  
• From: Naveen Jebaraj (@ 204.255.14.188) on: Fri Sep 8 14:19:29 EDT 2000
  
  MS,
  
  SL is right. Whenever I rent and play a DVD, I remember the beginning of chinna chinna aasai prelude. but it is a mild trace (just for 1 or 2 bars)
  
  Naveen
  
  
• From: Sankaran (@ 136.182.2.222) on: Fri Sep 8 15:10:19 EDT 2000
  
  Just wanted to add this to the copy list:
  
  I heard a very,very familiar tune in Wal-Mart yesterday.... it was the interlude(both interludes are the same) of "kaalamellaam kaadhal vaazhga" from Kaadhal kottai. I could not recognize the original though ...
  
  Aha Deva, nam thamizh sevigalukku engengellam irundhu thedi pidithu isai mazhai pozhiyareenga !!! Vaazhga umadhu sevai !!!
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.123) on: Fri Sep 8 16:12:33 EDT 2000
  
  Sankaran,
  I too discovered the original of 'pulveli pulevli' In Walmart. So all it it takes is a trip to Walmart to find Deva's inspirations ;))
  
  Karthik S,
  Poove poochoodava is by IR from the film of the same name. I dont think it is an inspiration. The Ofra haza song from which Deva has suttufied thilothamma is 'galbi". See the link at the top of this page for a realaudio clip of the song.
  
  
• From: NR (@ 147.145.40.41) on: Fri Sep 8 17:27:18 EDT 2000
  
  The song "poralae ponnuthayee" from Karuthamma (by ARR) seems to be an inspiration from a western classic or one of Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's works. Any clues??-NR
  
  

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