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Lyrics which are aptly written for movie-situations

Topic started by Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on Mon Jan 19 02:23:42 EST 1998.
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• From: bb (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Wed Aug 25 13:06:41 EDT 1999
  
  i don't think many TR songs have been mentioned in this thread.. "idhu kuzhandhai paadum thaalaattu" was an excellent song. will come back to it in detail later.
  
  
• From: SK (@ proxyx.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Aug 25 13:55:02 EDT 1999
  
  bb:
  
  By any chance, is there some problem with the way
  the link to this page appears in the main page?
  I am asking this because, in my web browser only
  the last "9937.02:23:42.html" appears and so it
  says "page not found" when I click on it. Can you
  please check?
  
  
• From: SK (@ proxyx.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Aug 25 14:04:28 EDT 1999
  
  bb:
  
  I looked at the html source of the main page. For some links it has the full address, for example:
  "tfmpage.com/forum/22668.04:15:01.html"
  But for others like this thread there is just:
  "9937.02:23:42.html". Now that is ok by rules,
  but my browser (IE 4.02) is getting confused. I
  find that this is the only "*.html" link with a
  ":" in its name! Perhaps this is a problem?
  
  Sorry for the interruption!
  
  
• From: bb (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Wed Aug 25 14:24:46 EDT 1999
  
  SK, it should be okay now.. or else, please send me a mail.
  
  
• From: bb (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Wed Aug 25 14:25:45 EDT 1999
  
  BTW, IE5 kku upgrade paNNunga:)
  
  
• From: SK (@ proxyx.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Aug 25 15:24:19 EDT 1999
  
  bb:
  
  It is ok now. Thanks. OK I'll change over to
  IE5.
  
  
• From: GV (@ d83-fx101h2-lond-pdi.attcanada.net) on: Wed Aug 25 17:47:43 EDT 1999
  
  bb:
  
  I have ie5, but still couldn't access this page until today. Thanks for straightening it out:-)))
  
  
• From: rameshb (@ spider-wo022.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Aug 25 18:01:17 EDT 1999
  
  BB
  IE5 is not a solution to typos ;-)))
  
  
• From: SK (@ azure.nus.edu.sg) on: Fri Aug 27 22:17:14 EDT 1999
  
  Udhaya:
  
  You mentioned about the song sariyaa thappaa
  (TMS; MD: KVM) from the movie, kooNdukkiLi in some
  thread long time ago. I got hold of the song
  yesterday and I have encoded it in RA (see link
  below). Can you write about the background of
  that song, if you know it?
  
  The movie has Sivaji and MGR, with a single lady
  character, Janaki. I think the storyline is as
  follows. Sivaji and Janaki love each other, but
  because of some family reaons Janaki ends up
  marrying MGR, and she is faithful to MGR after
  that. She goes off to live with MGR in a faroff
  place which Sivaji doesn't know. Sivaji roams
  around from town to town unhappily and ends up
  reaching the place where MGR-J live and becomes
  a friend of MGR and then the real story starts.
  Sivaji has bad intentions.. He gets MGR falsely
  implicated in some crime and packs him off to jail
  (MGR's role in the movie ends there). Janaki is
  all in tatters with a child and no one to support.
  Sivaji makes all kinds of moves to win her for
  a bodily relation. How she keeps away from all his
  moves and wins finally is the rest of the movie.
  How Sivaji agreed to act in such a villainish role is
  amazing. What I have forgotten is where exactly
  this song comes. If you know please write here.
  Thanks.
  
  http://members.xoom.com/ppp_songs/sariyaa_thappaa.ram
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Mon Aug 30 14:33:47 EDT 1999
  
  SK,
  Sivaji must have agreed to the role for its rich paradoxes. I've always likened this song to "Hamlet's" tormented soliloquies. Sivaji's character is weighing the options between desire and honor, love and shame, and wondering who's really to blame when the only person he loves is married to another who's been sent to prison. He wonders what's so wrong about picking up where they left off even though the girl is married, since for all intents and purposes she is single. But the song is in a rarefied realm in TFM lyrics, it not only struggles with mortal desires and morality, it asks the greater question, who's responsible for planting the seeds of desire in me?
  
  The song occurs at a crucial juncture either when Sivaji gets turned down initially by Janagi or when he's filled with remorse at his desires knowing that she is there for the taking. The song sequence has Sivaji roaming the streets and singing in despair.
  
  Thanks for the link. I haven't heard that song in ages. It was great listening to it again. Another grand thing about this old song, except the phrase "sariyaa thappaa?" none of the other lines are repeated. Comprehension must have been so profound back then.
  
  
• From: sk (@ azure.nus.edu.sg) on: Mon Aug 30 18:05:31 EDT 1999
  
  Udhaya:
  
  Thanks very much for your comments on the song.
  I think the song comes after MGR is packed off
  to jail. The movie actually starts with the scene
  where MGR saves Sivaji from some accident,
  the two becoming friends, and MGR bringing Sivaji
  to the house where he lives with Janaki. The
  earlier story of Sivaji-J's love etc is quickly
  given in a flashback without any songs.
  
  BTW, the song was written by Thanjai Ramaiah Das.
  
  
• From: bb (@ farm1-cache1.gw.uiuc.edu) on: Mon Aug 30 23:39:24 EDT 1999
  
  SK, thanks a lot for the link.. the lyrics are simple and yet good! looks like a song that was composed to pre-written lyrics though.
  
  
• From: SK (@ azure.nus.edu.sg) on: Tue Aug 31 00:10:47 EDT 1999
  
  bb:
  
  I'm glad you liked the song.
  With KVM, it is always lyrics first!
  
  
• From: bb (@ ts001d42.cha-il.concentric.net) on: Tue Aug 31 02:02:39 EDT 1999
  
  SK, always?? can't believe it:-)
  
  
• From: yvs mani (@ 164.100.9.119) on: Tue Aug 31 03:55:29 EDT 1999
  
  The song "katti karumbe kanna" from samsaram athu minsaram suits the situation very well ( I think rendered by VJ)
  
  
• From: NN (@ morrison.matrox.com) on: Tue Aug 31 08:37:49 EDT 1999
  
  Another overlooked song in "Karaiyai Thodaatha Alaikal'.
  The song is "Poo Parikkum Nerathiley...".
  The hero hesistate to express his love, The heroine finds someone else. The song starts...
  
  alaikal ointha pin kadal neeril kulikavey
  ennum manitharkal innatil kodiyey
  alaikal ointha pin kadal neeril kulikavey
  ennum manitharkal innatil kodiyey
  kangaiyil vellam ponginaal
  karaikal podanum
  karaikal poda thavarinaal
  kalangi vaaazhanum
  kaalam evarukkum ingey kaathirukka koodumaa..
  M.Metha wrote the lyrics. This song really fits into the situation.
  
  
• From: sk (@ mako.nc.singaren.net.sg) on: Tue Aug 31 10:02:59 EDT 1999
  
  bb:
  
  Yes. KVM followed lyrics first, tune later
  as a strict rule. That's why you can see some
  really beautiful Kannadhasan lyrics in most
  KVM songs.
  
  
• From: Kooththan (@ dhcp-css-consult-12.redbrick.com) on: Tue Aug 31 14:21:20 EDT 1999
  
  Beauty from 'nizhal nijamaagirathu'
  Lyrics covers huge range of activities and sentiments and characters. SarathBabu cause for Shobhas pregnancy but Anumanthu will protect her.
  Ilakkanam marutho ilakkiyam aanatho
  ithu varai nadithathu athu yenna vedam
  ithu enna paadam
  
  Kallaana mullai indrenna vaasam
  Kaatraana raagam yenintha gaanam
  VeN megam andru karmegam indru
  yaar sollithanthaar mazhaikkaalam endru
  
  One lyric not suited for the barrel Jayalalitha;-)
  Kannadasan be admonished
  tharayodu vaanam vilayadum kolam
  idayodu paarthen vilayaada ketten
  (describing her melliya idai;-)
  
  
  
  
• From: V. Balaji (@ webproxy03qfe0.sbi.com) on: Tue Aug 31 14:50:30 EDT 1999
  
  SK:
  
  Though I have read earlier that KVM always preferred to arrange a tune based on the lyrics, I am sure it wouldn't have possible for him always.
  
  KVM who used similar tunes in Telugu (where he was a numero uno MD) and Tamil movies must have compromised on the lyrics on many occasions.
  
  Examples : 'Vaani Raani'
  'Enipadigal'
  
  However in 'Vasantha Maaligai', he used the telugu film tunes as a base and adapted them for the lyrics well written by KK.
  
  V. Balaji
  
  
• From: bb (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Tue Aug 31 16:48:41 EDT 1999
  
  Kooththan, that is a wonderful song!
  
  
• From: Kooththan (@ dhcp-css-consult-12.redbrick.com) on: Tue Aug 31 19:06:11 EDT 1999
  
  Most Balachander movies have good sitn. for lyrics/music,esp. challenging for lyricist.Like
  Angum ingum paathai uNdu
  indru nee yentha pakkam
  Gyaayiru undu thingal undu
  unthan naal entha naalo
  
  from avargal when there are 3 guys to woo Sujatha.
  
  Kanna yendral murugan vanthaan
  muruga yendral kannan vanthan
  yentha theivam sontham endru poovai poojai seivaal
  thodarkathayo vidukathayo ........(forgot)
  
  But previous stanza had one punch,
  aval yezhuthum kavithaigalai vithi pugunthe
  thiruthuthamma
  (probably at how every step she take to straight life ends failure). Superb.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: SK (@ azure.nus.edu.sg) on: Tue Aug 31 20:58:19 EDT 1999
  
  VB:
  
  You are talking about unavoidable situations where
  KVM compromised. There is even a case of lifting a
  tune.. when he was working with Modern Theatres.
  Leaving all those out, I think KVM did follow
  'lyrics then tune' approach.
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ pm537-36.dialip.mich.net) on: Tue Aug 31 21:17:21 EDT 1999
  
  koothan complete lyrics for 'angum ingum'
  
  angum ingum paadhai undu
  indru nee endha pakkam
  gnayir undu thingaL undu
  undha NaaL endha naaLo
  
  kallai kandaal(rajinikanthi) kaniyai kandaaL(ravikumar)
  kallumindru mella mella kaniyum thanmai kandaaL
  kadhai ezhudhi pazhagi vittaaL
  mudikka mattum theriyavillai
  
  kannaa endraal murugan vandhaan
  muruga endraaL kannan vandhaan
  endha deivam sondhamendru poovai poojai seivaal
  aval ezhudhum kavidhaigalai vidhi pugundhe thiruthudamma
  
  sondham ondru bandham ondru
  vellai ullam konda pillai naduvil oonjal ondru
  sirukadhaiyo thodarkadhaiyo vidhukadhaiyo edhu indru
  
  
• From: Kooththan (@ dhcp-css-consult-12.redbrick.com) on: Tue Aug 31 21:32:16 EDT 1999
  
  Ramki, thanx very much. I know that 'ippadi or thalaattu' from same movie had good lyrics.
  SK, u are rt. KVM always wanted lyrics first.
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ pm537-36.dialip.mich.net) on: Tue Aug 31 21:36:17 EDT 1999
  
  Koothan i think 'ippadi oru thalattu' was already discussed in this thread. Check out the old responses.
  
  

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