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Who gave more hit songs in First Ten Years - IR or ARR?

Topic started by Pozhudhu pogadhavan (@ 12.92.214.200) on Mon Jun 25 22:47:19 EDT 2001.
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• From: S T S (@ 65.3.195.189) on: Thu Jun 28 22:04:13 EDT 2001
  
  Sabesan/Fliflo,
  
  Thanks for the understanding :-)
  
  
• From: Sugrutha (@ 65.11.240.45) on: Thu Jun 28 22:29:26 EDT 2001
  
  My bit on ARR and IR.
  
  I think both of them are spiritually inclined. That is their main strength.
  
  IR's music catches one by surprise, the very first time, and the pathos, even in some romantic songs, leaves a lump in the throat.
  
  ARR's music on the other hand has to grow in you. At first listening it is not impressive, but when you listen the next time, something stirs in you. Especially his songs based on sufi-like tunes are terrific. I love his chaiyya, ramta jogi, main samajh gayee, dil se, boondon se baatein, rang de, anjali, kaathal rojave, thaniye, ennna solla, raasathi, and so many many more.
  
  It does not matter if their songs are different or not. Hits or not. As long as they have made a difference to your lives, brought a little happiness, even a smile, they have been successful.
  
  
• From: BugSpray (@ 66.21.129.96) on: Thu Jun 28 23:11:11 EDT 2001
  
  The sole intention of Trend is to incite people in the forum, and then watch. He came as "Bug" in an earlier avatar and did the same thing. Now this. What an idiotic moron. May his creed disappear from this forum!
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Fri Jun 29 00:26:44 EDT 2001
  
  STS,
  
  that "TOTAL ratio for IR and ARR is ALMOST EQUAL. Isn't it amazing???" - stuff is idiotic to say. i apologize for the wrong calculation done at the beginning.
  
  Also, as i said i took a lot of liberty in IR's case.
  
  1) i just ignored some films by the names which i did not feel appealing.
  
  2) i ignored all but one non-tamizh albums.
  
  3) i did not consider films with one-song (and) one super hit song with other songs (and) no songs but with very good BGM.
  
  what i wanted to say that inspite of these IR hit albums touched the number Bharath was unbelievingly said.
  
  but i should have stopped by giving these facts. i should not have given wrong statistics like 3*ARR number and all sorts of things and my inference based on that.
  
  i understand your point that in this discussion more weightage should be given to numbers not the ratios or other statistical figures. if so BalaBharathy, PM, HJ etc beat all MDs left and right because their hit ratio is 100%.
  
  finally, that posting was not aimed at appeasing anybody. as i said it would have been nice had i stopped at the point of giving facts.
  
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Fri Jun 29 00:59:41 EDT 2001
  
  STS,
  
  one more point, all along my posting "hit movie" in my words means not the film becoming hit. it is the songs-album hit. so as you said nizhalgaL and N.Nithya, in my counter were HITS.
  
  sabesan, the reason for not including those films are because i did not know them earlier and i do not remember listening to songs from those films(yes! i agree; just because i did not listen, it does not mean that that film-album is not a hit). but as i said i took that liberty in being so ..mmm..stringent in IR's case. also, i could have opened and seen those movies with those *unusual(imo)* names but i did not have that much patience(deepak, so i proved that what you thought about me is wrong :-) ).
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Fri Jun 29 01:08:38 EDT 2001
  
  STS,
  
  one more point. i think the film malayoor mambatiyaan is a hit, it ran for about 100 days or so. but you know, i did not count that film even though one obvious hit song kaatu vazhi pora ponnae kavala padadhae. i think such instances happened some more times in my counts AND STILL IR's HIT COUNT REACHED 120 (see here too i omitted 3 films).
  
  i think i should stop my blabbering here. after reading this please read my first posting and see that what i said makes sense or not.
  
  thanks
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 64.169.160.56) on: Fri Jun 29 01:21:14 EDT 2001
  
  Kupps - that's the exact problem.... not only you, many of us would discard a movie just by looking at the name.... i used to do - even now :-)..... first time when i heard the name "aandaan adimain" i thought what junk movie.... but only after hearing the songs i decided, hmm another album that will go unnoticed by our thamizh maakaal :-)......
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 64.169.160.56) on: Fri Jun 29 01:24:21 EDT 2001
  
  also Malayooor mambatiayaan was a big hit as u said.... it had one more good song "CHinna ponnu selaai"..... so i would count that in :-)
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Fri Jun 29 01:58:49 EDT 2001
  
  sabesan,
  
  actually m.mabatiyan has 4 songs in that 2 are hit chinna ponnu saela shenbagappoo pola and kaattu vazhi pora ponnae kavala padadhae kattu puli vazhi maraikkum kalangi nikkadhae. Plus one pep song veLLarikka pinju onnu veedhiyilae aadudhadi plus one not so known aadudhadi aadudhadi.
  
  I considered "chinna ponnu" and "kaattu vazhi". they accounted to 50%. i, to be stringent, did not consider "veLLarikka". Hence i omitted the album.
  
  One reason for i brushing aside "unusual named" films is because of this stringent factor.
  
  But in spite of this, what to do, IR mananged to reach the "sceptical" number "120+" ;-)
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Fri Jun 29 10:32:04 EDT 2001
  
  BugSpray,
  
  First of all,I didn't post as "Bug".You get me the IP address from which Bug (or whoever that is) posted I'll probably prove I had nothing to do with that IP address.I posted once or twice as highly jobless and names like that.
  
  Sabesan,
  
  I'm not denying I do the "Vanja Pugazhchi" thing.I'm not going to say that it's right for me to do.But my intention is just to act as a "Smart Alec".If people get incited that's not my problem.They should grow up first.
  
  STS,
  
  Nothing personal here too.But I think you shouldn't post that 0 is the number of IR songs ARR fans listen to and folk songs are a disqualification and stuff like that.Maybe you should say pun intended at the end.:-)
  I didn't discount anybody's analysis here.
  
  Since the primary intention of almost all film songs is to make the movie a hit and blend in with the movie accordingly,I think it is quite necessary for the movie to be a hit.But the songs should not be discounted if the film director scre*s up big time.
  IMHO,ARR shouldn't have produced that kind of score for DilSe/Uyire.I would say it spoilt the realism of the movie.
  
  
• From: bharath (@ 172.137.249.23) on: Fri Jun 29 10:39:38 EDT 2001
  
  kupps,
  
  gotta hand it out to u. u really have a lot of a patience and have done an amazing job.
  
  Right now I may be listening to ARR by buying cassates even b4 some one has given a traving review( except recyled ones) whereas with IR the volume is so high that.. I HAVE to buy only after I listen to it on TV or if someone I trust is talking good things abt the songs.. its economicaly not feasible tobuy 30 cassettes a year.
  
  Plus The calculation I set was mostly because I personally believe IR and ARR thinkmore or less alike with regards to "to whom to give good music".
  
  although people have unconvincingly argued b4 that IR has given good music to unknown folks... He corrected himslef to become shrewed enugh to start judging people b4 giving qualitymusic..
  
  I wud say Ninaeivellamnithya , Meera, Nizhalgal, Nadodi thendral r as much examples of hits with flop movies as much as, kadal desam, kadalar thinam or even Iruvar and dilse...
  
  The only exceptions that IR has was MOhan, Rajkiran, ramarajan movies and that too he did not deliver a full fledged hiot album there but 2 briliant songs followed by 3 not so bad songs... I bet it wudnt pass kupps filter.
  
  The 1 thing I see people unable to do and which I and my other frnds gave trained ourselves to do is to put ourselves in IR shoes and do some Management thinking..
  
  is it humanly possible to put 35*5 songs a year which is 160 songs with complete effort dedication ... and still not get burnt out. No its not humanly possible. IR had to have a trade off somewhere did'nt he????
  
  1 more things I agree ARR #'s is far less than IR. I only think its good bcoz ARR understands his limitations more than others and thats a very good quality.
  
  especially in this age of money andmore money. It is tugh to shun $ and gamble on u being good enugh tomake enugh in the long run. Imagine ARR has done everything thats traditionally taboo
  1) charge high
  2) compose slow
  3) has availability problems
  4) insists on being inspired
  
  makes a dir or producer think. "who does this punk think he is"
  
  but he is still survived. which just shows that ARR's innovation worked.
  
  I just say IR was not advised properly enugh early in his career by the right people to conserve himself.
  
  Most of sabesans and STS posting stand testimony to this. They have to advertize good songs to TFM people.. They say good songs have got unnoticed.
  
  Which is precisely mypoint. ARR makes a concious effort to know he is credited and he is reached...
  
  IR unfortunately did not have Manirathna, PSBB educated, city bred hhoo haa to make "car salesman like negotiations"
  
  My point is IR was more like saravanm bhavan giving quality food(the best I like) but having crowd problems and ARR like Mathura, high price effectively shunning away some crowd and stillgiving quality food.
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 63.224.65.186) on: Fri Jun 29 11:45:58 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath:
  By any chance did you live in Mambalam??? :-))
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Fri Jun 29 13:08:22 EDT 2001
  
  close to it why?? I lived in T.Nagar?
  
  do u know me???? or does Mambalam residence evidence = previous posting
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 63.225.17.254) on: Fri Jun 29 13:42:53 EDT 2001
  
  Well, I know a Bharath(my friend) who lived in T.Nagar and talks the same way you do. Can you send me an email?
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Fri Jun 29 14:41:27 EDT 2001
  
  UVII,
  
  reply to my e-mail!!!
  
  
• From: Deepak (@ 146.235.4.20) on: Fri Jun 29 17:17:24 EDT 2001
  
  "is it humanly possible to put 35*5 songs a year which is 160 songs with complete effort dedication "
  
  Bharath, I too have tried thinking about it. We need to add the bgm effort that goes in too. But with whatever qualifications I've got with listening only, I wasn't able to find any lapse in his dedication in any of his songs. Try listening to his songs with a headphone and you'll defniitely be amazed at the amount of effort that goes into every song that he does. I think it's his sheer love of music that keeps him going like this. Man, he is one big miracle - and one of the biggest inspriations in my life!!
  
  
• From: IsaiAdimai (@ 63.114.212.254) on: Fri Jun 29 17:46:38 EDT 2001
  
  
  To Answer Bharath's Q
  
  Carnatic music is been here for the past 2000 years, yet ppl are able to find unique tunes in it. The three great gurus each, have composed atleast 500 songs each, but they never matched each other. As long as the song goes with the creator's mood, they cannot be the same. In IR's case, he had a chance to compose for different sets of emotions and their combinations. So it may not be humanly possible, but It may be Musically possible. Music surely has that diversity and we see a little bit thro IR.
  
  

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