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why should'nt IR be called ''THE'' indian film music composer of the century

Topic started by k.arunprakash (@ 213.17.49.218) on Wed Jan 23 06:17:52 EST 2002.
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the only composer with incredible versatality,matchless in quality,i think he should be rated as ''THE'' indian film composer of the century.what do u feel guys?

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• From: yaaro (@ 64.12.106.28) on: Sat Jan 26 06:21:43 EST 2002
  
  lV,
  isnt exactly what u r doing from last year?
  :-)
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Sat Jan 26 11:20:59 EST 2002
  
  >>>The trademark feature of all these guys - assert and insist that something, which requires proof to be established as truth, is true --- just because they feel it that way.<<<
  
  Very well said, LV. Can't agree more.
  When you point out these things, HCIRF will react as if you've just insulted IR himself, but don't realise that it's the HCIRF we have a problem with, not IR himself or his music.
  
  
• From: arun_uk (@ 195.99.125.204) on: Sat Jan 26 15:13:28 EST 2002
  
  Hello all
  
  To my agony I see that the 'Arguement'(IR or ARR) continues forever in different threads.
  
  I am a HCIRF, but that does not prevent me from appreciating any other music that sounds good to my auditory cortex. To me IR is a composer par excellence & a genius! On the other hand I do believe that ARR is a genius in his own way. What both have achieved is phenomenal & cannot be disputed. If you get some real music experts from around the world to do an 'in-depth' analysis of their music, IR will be the definite winner by miles. But I have to sincerely admit that as far as 'today's' TFM is concerned ARR is the winner by miles. LET ME REMIND YOU AGAIN- We are talking about current TFM & not about who is a better music composer. Many HCIRF's seem to be blind to the fact that in commercial terms ie. at 'face value' ARR's music is much better than IR's film music today(excluding BGM). I believe IR is past his prime. AGAIN I am not saying his music has degraded or that his knowledge OF MUSIC has regressed. All I am trying to say is that in terms of commercial success the 'magic-touch' of the past is evading him. This is where ARR steps in with his own 'music-magic'. Having said this, I am well aware of ARR's way of composing ... and..about his alleged inspirational lifts from foreign music. But you have to remember that he is not a crap copycat like for eg...sorry I don't want to drag more people into this arguement...!
  
  ARR comes from a family with a strong music background & has learnt music the hard way. He has a good knowledge of our own traditional carnatic music and appears to be using it to good effect. Further I don't see a problem in ARR having a predominantly western tilt to his music. So what? He's doing a good job in delivering enjoyable music to scores of people.
  
  To me these arguements are senseless as music is all about individual perceptions. If I should quote an instance- one of my english colleagues here in England, after listening to many IR an ARR songs told me that both their music sounds strange to her. She said IR's music sounds ancient & ARR's music sounds like corrupted western and spanish music. To sum it up she said she couldn't understand how 'strange' our music tastes are. What in the world could I have done? Am I going to spend a lifetime trying to convince people that our men have more music knowledge that Britny Spears,Boyzone,Hearsay & West-life,to name a few.
  
  HCIRF's - Please understand that IR is a Genius no doubt, but at he moment his commercial success is negligible. The comments you are seeing against him come from "music lovers from a different cadre" and not 'real music experts'. Consider yourself to be more gifted than them to be able to appreciate IR's music. The mud-slinging will stop if you folks restrain yourselves because most comments are from HCIRF-haters and not IR-haters. IR is beyond all these trivial stuff.
  
  HCARRF'S- You don't achieve phenomenal success by chance. You need to have knowledge, be talented and work hard. ARR has all these qualities. So you folks don't have to feel threatened by unwarrented comments by a selective group of HCIRF's. There are many HCIRF's who can appreciate ARR's capacity as a Top Class Indian Film Music composer. There is no need to glorify him at the expense of IR who is no ordinary music composer. Those of you who are not used to his music or cannot enjoy them please keep your ignorance behind locked doors.
  
  Today is Republic Day! We Indians are meant to boast of " Unity in Diversity"
  
  With due respect & regards to all of you
  
  arun
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.80.175) on: Sat Jan 26 21:59:55 EST 2002
  
  whynot:
  
  exactly - very well said. It is the HCFIRs who are spoiling the image of a real real genius. If someone else is as good as IR, that does not mean IRs greatness is reduced or that IR is not great.
  
  But these muddleheads do not understand that. Also their defence of IR is truly miserable,sycophantic and pathetic. They try to proclaim IRs greatness by trashing every other MD. I am sure IR is himself embarassed with his own fans.
  
  Poor IR!! Wish he were luckier!!
  
  
• From: arun_uk (@ 195.99.125.204) on: Sun Jan 27 02:47:37 EST 2002
  
  LV
  
  I presume you are not calling all HCIRF's 'muddleheads'! I wish you read my posting above. Maybe you refer to a selective group of HCIRF's.
  
  I agree with you. IR is probably embarassed(I sincerely hope he never ventures into these pathetic forums).IR is beyond all this 'trivia' and so are other greats like ARR,MSV,Salil Chaudry etc. etc.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 205.188.200.192) on: Sun Jan 27 06:06:14 EST 2002
  
  //From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Sat Jan 26 11:20:59 EST 2002
  >>>The trademark feature of all these guys - assert and insist that something, which requires proof to be established as truth, is true --- just because they feel it that way.<<<
  Very well said, LV. Can't agree more.
  When you point out these things, HCIRF will react as if you've just insulted IR himself, but don't realise that it's the HCIRF we have a problem with, not IR himself or his music.//
  how pious and holy you sound whynot-I almost would have beleived you-since it was you who made me lose my cool (and a few other really indecent statements from ARR fans)I had to fish from archives for your previous postings-read them and enjoy-and try to stay true to what you have typed above!
  //Picchakkaran as Rama rajan's next movie title. IR can compEnga OOr Raa Pichakkaran. Podum daa saami. Kavundamaniye than kuppidanum ungallellam thitaradukku. Javvattam vidave maatingalla?
  After thought: how about Enga OOr Raa Picchakkaran as Rama rajan's next movie title. IR can compose music,GA can direct& the Ir fans can produce.//
  . //From: KITKAT (@ 65.92.85.133) on: Sat Jan 26 13:29:26 EST 2002 Even Gangai Amaran's "ramayee Vayasukku Vandhutta" went to the oscar's if u mean Oscar's as Oscar video center somewhere in nungambakam :) //
  · //From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.66) on: Wed Jan 23 23:41:37 EST 2002
  I only wish he & his followers go away from the face of earth. Let him be the MD of heaven & let us be. Pied piper & the rats than Ninaivukku varugirathu. //-what a wish !
  //You go to Himachal Pradesh or Assam or Punjab or Gujarat and ask someone about Ilayaraja, and they might at the best think that you are asking about tribal 'Raja'. :D)))//
  //Ha ha ha... First, convince me he is "A //Composer"... I'll accept he was "A Composer
  · //HJ (as of today) is miles ahead of IR or any of his kids.//
  and your reply to the above-how cool you sound!
  · //From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Fri Jan 25 22:46:50 EST 2002
  Way to go HJFan!
  I dont have the answer to ur question...but someone here might....
  So at the moment, the SCORE stands at
  HJ:5 //
  IFrom:
  · /./BABA BLACK SHEEP (@ 202.9.180.61) on: Sat Jan 26 04:35:26 EST 2002
  HJ compared to IR doesnt that show how crap Ir is. You see ARR isnt compared with any such idiots.//
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  and answering a sincere query from a fan-it is you again!it is really sad that tfm geniuses like msv and ir have not been recognised with these awards.any comments please?
  · From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Sat Jan 26 03:30:06 EST 2002
  Yes, let's sob....BOO-HOO
  · //IR not getting the award ::::::::: YOU NEED TALENT OR SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING GREAT TO GET THE AWARD>>>>>>> WHAT HAS HE DONE//
  so,why not we are not fools.you know,while i dont love ARR's music,i dont dislike it.I even started a thread -it was called ARR vs IR with a difference where I invited the fans to list out their favorite songs of the other mD for which there was a good response.It was your posting taunting the threads created by IR fans that really pi***d me off-if you have a problem with those threads , stay away from them.if you go into archives you will see equally inane threads by ARR fans.
  have a good day!
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Mon Jan 28 00:28:42 EST 2002
  
  :-) Yaaro, I'm sorry to hear my posts evoked such strong emotions, wasn't expecting that at all.
  But u must understand where my posts were coming from. It was the result of frustration.
  
  >>>It was your posting taunting the threads created by IR fans that really pi***d me off-if you have a problem with those threads , stay away from them.<<<<
  First, I must say I do stay away from them mostly yaaro, except to add my sincere contributions once in a while, and secondly, u must understand I wrote this post in RESPONSE to a 'taunt' by a HCIRF on the existence of that thread where I wrote the post, regarding having too threads for each movie and each song by ARR and I wanted to point out the hypocrisy behind it.
  
  And though u may not believe this, I do have a sense of humour and if u look at my posts in that light, u may not find them as offensive as u do right now.
  
  And finally, half the quotes u wrote in ur post above were not by me....so I don't know if u r trying to state that other HCARRF provoke u as well, but i just wanted to point out I did not write most of those stuff, as u left out the name and ip address of those who wrote some of those posts when quoting them.
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163) on: Mon Jan 28 09:22:58 EST 2002
  
  yaaro
  
  you are correct. these 'sensible' arr fans have made most atrocious comments recently and they do blame that hcir fans spoil the image of a genius (who is out of market or focus, do not sell, do music for doc.s, became stale... anything)
  
  disgusting.
  
  i find only ir fans defending their views.
  
  anbudan
  
  mahabs
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Mon Jan 28 11:55:58 EST 2002
  
  All ARR Fans Please Note:
  
  If any ARR haters (sometimes a.k.a HCIRF) says anything offensive about ARR (eg. he supports Pakistani terrorists, there are too many threads for ARR, he copies from Deva & IR, MR is bankrupt bcos of ARR, his music is soul-less, synthetic, and as his fans we are eating his dump, etc, etc) then please chew on it and keep your DISGUST to yourself, cos if you did express YOUR DISGUST then some ELITE HCIRF may be offended and may actually be themselves DISGUSTED!!
  
  Uh-OH...how can we, the pathetic ARR Fans risk the DISGUST of the GREAT HCIRF??? SO let's hang our heads in shame and bow in reverence to the HCIRF, lest they get DISGUSTED with our own expressions of DISGUST, cos they were just 'defending their views', whereas we are being DISGUSTING.
  
  

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