Topic started by Vijay Venkatram J (@ 202.54.33.170) on Fri Jul 6 05:24:48 EDT 2001.
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Dear Friends,
Yesterday's Maalai Malar Cinema Malar (July 5, 2001) says that MR and IR are joining again as if it is a confirmed news and that the hero will be Surya. The same news was put up in www.tamilcinema.com too. What do you all think about the reality of this news?
Hope this becomes true!
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- From: Trend (@ dev.hrchally.com)
on: Thu Jul 12 13:15:19 EDT 2001
krishna,
I agree with you here.There is no point in being pessimistic about people's behaviour.To really understand their behavior we have to give little more respect and consider in detail the parameters that influence their decision(to consume products).
- From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com)
on: Thu Jul 12 13:15:33 EDT 2001
krishna
I totally agree with u on that but just have another question
step 1:relating to music is something very individualistic
step2: liking what appeals to u as an individual
step3: buying the cassatte bcoz u like it as it appeals to u as an individual
ona global scale
step4: A lot of people performing step1 - step 3. for a particular album.
how can u decouple step1-3 and step 4 as irrelevant entities.
both with regards to politics and cassatte sales.
- From: krishna (@ mailserver01.sb.com)
on: Thu Jul 12 13:21:43 EDT 2001
Bharath:
I think you mis-read my statement.... I do not want IR-MR to work together....
- From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2)
on: Thu Jul 12 13:32:48 EDT 2001
Bharath
1.People rejected jayalalitha based on corruption etc.,
2.Karunanidhi came into power
3.Same people again elected jayalalitha.
What do we get from here. they know jayalalitha is corrupt and rejected earlier, but why did they elect JJ?
This doesnt prove that JJ is clean and clear. This doesnt prove that people like JJ. what I think is that they didnt have options. They had to choose from the available options.
Can we relate this to Casette sales?
- From: krishna (@ mailserver01.sb.com)
on: Thu Jul 12 13:41:43 EDT 2001
Trend:
I apologize if it sounded as I am pessimistic about other's behavior..I am not...I am just stating that I don't make my value judgements based on what is the popular view.
Bharath:
In your stepwise analogy, my position is that the results of Step 4 being an input (or influence) for Step 1.
(I am doing a lot of conference calls this morning and hence my indulgence with all these messages while I am on the phone..)
- From: yaaro (@ spider-loh-tb083.proxy.aol.com)
on: Thu Jul 12 13:54:40 EDT 2001
i remember some one trumpeting abt "barathi" sales. yes ! I agree it was good and thats why it sold better.
If barathi sold more and album x didnt sell well bcoz barathi is better. I think we can extend this to a universal field. (plz check rediff for deva, sar sales figures b4 u use that angle of argument)
bharath,
if u seriously beleive that, kushi is probably better than barathi-or a lousy album like tenali is better than barathi.talk about delusions!
trend,
The best according to you or considered best by most people or considered best by few "intellectuals" who disapprove(usually) of others' taste? -so IR now becomes the preserve of intellectuals is it?.mozart played for the masses-time turned him into a classical composer.what is contemporary today is classic tomorrow-if the quality is there.
bharath,
here are couple of your postings-are u polite!
''pretty jingoistic right! well thats how ya'll sound!!!
what r talking abt dude!''
- From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com)
on: Thu Jul 12 14:09:47 EDT 2001
//"I think you mis-read my statement.... I do not want IR-MR to work together...."//
i did not mis read it. plz un-mis-read my response once more :-)
//"In your stepwise analogy, my position is that the results of Step 4 being an input (or influence) for Step 1. "//
probably only for a couple of times may be half a dozen times but not 50 times!
//"''pretty jingoistic right! well thats how ya'll sound!!!
what r talking abt dude!'' "//
yes I am polite! plz dont find feeble evidence to trash the person and plz concentrate only on the logic of comments independent of who is commenting! I think that is the correct way!
Yaaro I can find out ur anti-arr comments and simply say they r impolite for the sake of it.
//"1.People rejected jayalalitha based on corruption etc.,
2.Karunanidhi came into power
3.Same people again elected jayalalitha"//
this only can be mapped bak to a statement that people judge buying decisions on idividual albums similar to juding a party by the current term.
you seem pretty convinced that there is no alternative! I am sad!(that there is no alternative :-( )
no lack of alternatives is not the correct interpretation. It is an insult to rehman now and a double insult to IR both in his 70's-80's days and now also.
I dont think its correct!
- From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com)
on: Thu Jul 12 14:12:01 EDT 2001
//"kushi is probably better than barathi-or a lousy album like tenali is better than barathi.talk about delusions"//
why do u think I believe that. I believe barathi wud have sold more than both.
kushi! why pick this one?
- From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.237)
on: Thu Jul 12 14:41:16 EDT 2001
krishna,
You didn't have to apologize.I could be wrong. Cool it,man.:-)
yaaro,
I quoted "intellectuals" for it to mean people who consider themselves to be intellectuals but may not really be.
- From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2)
on: Thu Jul 12 14:53:21 EDT 2001
Bharath you got my point, Thats why I had put a question mark in "Can we relate this to Casette sales?".
When you feel bharathi would have sold more than many others, if it didnt does it mean bharathi is not good.
What i want to say is from just sales we cant infer many things as similar to political votes.
- From: Trend (@ dev.hrchally.com)
on: Thu Jul 12 15:00:00 EDT 2001
NCR,
Bharathi was a very good album .People immediately recognized that and bought it.There's no point or no way in determining if the effect could have been opposite would the cause be different.
- From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com)
on: Thu Jul 12 15:55:06 EDT 2001
//"if it didnt does it mean bharathi is not good"//
If it didnt barathi probably would not have been good. is a better way of putting it. barathi wud have been kushi lets say!;-)
//"People immediately recognized that and bought it"//
hit the nail on the head. the above is true for most cassettes that r good. which is why my respect and value for "people" in the "common man" sense is high.
- From: Deepak (@ jcpfw2.jcpenney.com)
on: Thu Jul 12 18:43:58 EDT 2001
Bharath,
An album being good could be one of the criteria for it selling well... But a good album need not always sell well.
To give you examples, do you know that there were albums by names "Ponnu Vettukkaran", "Poonjolai", "Kanmani Oru Kavidhai" etc. by IR?? Many people didn't even know they existed!! This is not to blame people... These albums were probably not marketed well... But these are not indications that the album is bad.
On the other hand, hype can lead to cassette sales... even before the cassette is released, the labels would say "hit songs of the year"... This can cause more albums to be sold... Think about it, if ARR did an album with MR and if ARR had given the same songs to some other director at the first place, do you think the sales would be the same??
- From: GK (@ 12.146.128.15)
on: Thu Jul 12 19:34:03 EDT 2001
kanmani oru kavithai really stank!
- From: IsaiAdimai (@ stargate.metera.com)
on: Thu Jul 12 19:44:51 EDT 2001
KAnmani Oru Kavidhai was REALLY good. Especially the songs, sung by Charan and Sujatha(I don remember the starting words), and also the third song, Ulagile Adhisayam... I really don have words to say how great the words. For instance, the middle stanza, narrates something like, two ppl being forced to do something, and the amount of pain they really feel , increases and after a limit, they just strike back ... exactly, the feelings are shown by the lines starting from "Silayaa vadithaaye ennai.... " . I have to really say, they were some master representations of the scenario thro music. If somebody has missed it, buy this cassette.
- From: bharath (@ ac9c191c.ipt.aol.com)
on: Thu Jul 12 20:47:17 EDT 2001
//"Think about it, if ARR did an album with MR and if ARR had given the same songs to some other director at the first place, do you think the sales would be the same?? "//
i wud only say that if ARR sold 1000 units with MR he wud sell only 800 with the other.(not like only 200) plus! post movie release will see another 700 cassattes being sold bcoz of song picturization and other movie related plus points. that in my observation has always been MR's trend be it with IR/ARR.
thats where the imp of movie dir. comes into play!
ofcourse the #'s r for explanation sake only!
- From: S T S (@ c1319060-a.stcla1.sfba.home.com)
on: Thu Jul 12 22:58:28 EDT 2001
post movie release will see another 700 cassattes being sold bcoz of song picturization and other movie related plus points. that in my observation has always been MR's trend be it with IR/ARR. . This could be after Mouna Raagam. How about Pagal Nilavu and few more films before that?
In fact MR is pathetic in song picturization.
- From: eden (@ dialpool-210-214-5-247.maa.sify.net)
on: Fri Jul 13 05:54:47 EDT 2001
Some arithematic and logic:
TN has a population of about 60 million, means around 15 million households. And what is the biggest block buster cassette sales that anyone can talk about today? (Let it be MR/Shankar/ARR/IR/HJ/YSR/T..D..H) A few lakh pieces, that's all. Then who knows what the maximum popuation is listening to? It could even be the MGR songs:-) Bottom line: CASSETTE SALES IS NOT THE BENCHMARK FOR POPULARITY, IN THE CONTEXT OF TN. This may be OK in some consumerist western lands.
Once again, even among these sales nos., for an album with big names and promo -whether it is average or great or bad- max quantity comes simply based on expectations (in the first week etc.) and not necessarily based on quality of songs. Some may not even listen to that after buying and it might be collecting dust at home. Can you term it hit? May be music companies but not music lovers!
I have often observed that 100's & 1000's of recorded cassettes of very cheap quality (for Rs20 etc.) in places like Palani bus stand and most are not these big names. Who counts them?
That brings back the same old question, how does one define a song as `HIT'? Whatever it is, simple arithematic shows that cassette sales is not the indicator as it is a pathetic minority of the total populace!
- From: eden (@ dialpool-210-214-5-247.maa.sify.net)
on: Fri Jul 13 05:58:53 EDT 2001
of very cheap quality (for Rs20 etc.) in places like Palani bus stand should read as of very chear quality (for Rs20 etc.) are sold in places like Palani bus stand ! Sorry for the typo:-(
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