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IR GETS LATHA MANKESHKAR AWARD !

Topic started by NagasubramaniaN (@ fw.baan.nl) on Fri Dec 4 01:26:45 EST 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

hi,
today's dinakaran has this info.
IR gets Lathamankeshkar award given by MP state govt.
http://www.dinakaran.com/daily/12041998/cinema/award.html
Any idea about this award & other persons who got this award ???
NagasubramaniaN

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• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.225) on: Thu Apr 12 08:35:12 EDT 2001
  
  Kupps, no problem on that (hype or no hype). I don't have anything against Asha or Alka or any north person singing TN folk...But Asha should sing `shenbagamE' correctly (like PS/SJ) and not `shenbhAgamEi' (if I try to pronounce like her, my face will get ashtakOnal)..such horrors are there through out the song...
  
  BTW, I'm not `garu' but maRam...:-))
  
  Recently Asha killed the `nee pArtha pArvaikkoru nandRi' in HR...the `nandRi' becomes `nondRRi':-(
  
  
• From: Kannan (@ 209.185.189.241) on: Thu Apr 12 09:38:26 EDT 2001
  
  Kupps,
  
  SJ's first tamil song was "Singara Velane deva" which had perfect tamil(I mean 100%) pronunciation. The uniqueness of all south indian languages is that they are easily pronouncable by fellow southies but definetely not the northies. To prove that you can take all the TFM singers right from the 40's and 50's till now. You will find it is predominantly non-tamil voices that have been great all along. For eg. P.Leela, P.Susheela, TMS, P.B.Sreenivos, SPB, SJ, KJY, Chitra, Sujatha Unnikrishnan, Unni menon and on and on. I doubt even AM raja/Jikki pair to be tamil. Inspite of being non-tamil their tamil has been atleast 99% good though not 100%. None of these people, barring a few could talk tamil perfect without their native accent. But their tamil diction has always been excellant. This is not the case with LM/Asha or any northie for that matter. So Eden was right in saying that SJ could have sung Shenbagame song exceptionally well.
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.82.153) on: Thu Apr 12 09:53:57 EDT 2001
  
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  LV, I have nothing against anyone praising anyone else (see, even LM praises copy cat Anu Malik), but it's just that I'm not going to form my opinion based on such comments and I don't think it's healthy for anyone to do that way...analyse personally & then form a opinion... In today's businesses (espcially in movie business), praise is often equal to flattery...and analyse is often equal to ,tear down...so much of equations behind the scenes...
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  Reply: As far as LM praising AM goes, read my post to Srinath. I've said enough about that. She praised him for THIS ONE good album, which is correct.She has not praised him for a dum album like say 'Har dil jo pyar karega'.
  
  I dont see anything wrong in LM singing that song - she just made an attempt to sing in a language she (or Asha) dont know. And after all LM has sung just about 4 Tamil songs( I heard from somewhere that she had sung Tamil as early as the 50s in the Tamil version of Udan Khatola and Mughal-e-Azam. I havent heard the songs - if anyone knows about it please tell me), and a few in the other languages. What this proves is how much all good music people in India love Lata's or Asha's voice.
  
  One more point: I dont know why you've formed an opinion on LM at all, when you dont seem to have heard her great songs at all. In fact early in this thread you have even admitted the same.
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.82.159) on: Thu Apr 12 10:00:32 EDT 2001
  
  to all the hcfirs:
  
  Lets stop this discussion about Annu Mallick (he's not worth wasting our time on) and return to the topic 'IR gets LM award- is it good or bad'. Some people here were saying that a composer is above a singer. Please elaborate.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Thu Apr 12 10:42:20 EDT 2001
  
  eden:
  
  `nee pArtha pArvaikkoru nandRi'
  
  
  This song reminds me of "Oh butterfly....butterfly" song of meera.
  
  Stop...don't bash me.. Do any body feel the same.? I strongly beleive that both the tunes(atleast initial portions) are similar.
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Thu Apr 12 11:41:40 EDT 2001
  
  CF: the only similarity is the way the sisters murdered the songs :-))) (listen especially to lata saying "butterfly"; i get a feeling she was working as a chinese fast food hawker :-))))) )
  
  
• From: cff (@ 203.197.80.65) on: Thu Apr 12 12:42:00 EDT 2001
  
  to hihi,
  
  The song 'oh butterfly' is by Asha not by Lata.
  Its surprising: you can't even make out the difference between the voices of Lata and Asha!!
  So before talking about Chinese food hawkers (thats a disgraceful word to use), collect a few facts, and learn to identify the voices of the singers first.
  
  In any case, going by what you say, IR was a fool in giving the sisters a few of his songs. That they became popular makes it worse for you.
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Thu Apr 12 16:07:21 EDT 2001
  
  okay: i just got infected with foot and mouth disease :-))
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.195) on: Fri Apr 13 01:48:10 EDT 2001
  
  CF, I don't think they are similar. If you try to write down the notes, you'll probably know. (I've just begun learning the notation and very strongly feel these melodies are dissimilar)
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.195) on: Fri Apr 13 01:53:28 EDT 2001
  
  I dont know why you've formed an opinion on LM at all
  
  The fact is I have not formed any wholesale opinion on LM as a singer yet:-) Whether I'll be able to spend a lot of time listening to her in the future, though, appears doubtful (unless I'm forced to move to north)...
  
  However, I have very strong opinion on a composer greater than the singer! He creates it buddy, while the other just renders it! Who's great, car designer or driver?
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.82.145) on: Fri Apr 13 07:15:39 EDT 2001
  
  Dear eden,
  
  Comparing a singer to a driver is totally atrocious, its a pathetic thing to say.
  Though the composer creates the skeleton tune and orchestration for a song, its ultimate execution is in the hands of the singer. The singer brings in the nuances,the subtle pronounciations, the expression, the beauty spots.
  In the past several composers have taken he singer's voice into consideration while creating their tunes. Lets take IR himself. We all know he recorded nearly 900 songs with S Janaki. He has chosen talented people like SJ, PS, SPB ,KJY etc. Why? Would he have been famous as a TFM composer without these people? I just read on a thread dedicated to PS about other singers singing her songs at public concerts, and making a mess of them.
  If you've ever heard mediocre singers like Anuradha Paudwal singing Lata's and Asha's songs composed by great composers, you'll realize the mess she makes out of those. In fact, I've heard Chitra singing Lata's old tunes composed by RDB at a concert in tribute to RDB. The songs were 'Chunri Sambhal gori','Raina Beeti jaye' and 'Tere bina zindagi se koi....'. It was terrible!!!
  On the other hand, Lata has turned the tunes of very ordinary composers like LP,KA, Rajesh Roshan,Bhappi Lahiri, to gold!!!
  
  Several composers have had their favourite singers, and have had longlasting associations with them. If the singer were a mere car driver, these associations would not have been possible.
  Remember out of SJs nearly 12-15 thousand songs, just 900 are those by IR. It would be unfair to say that she was created by IR. IR benefitted immensely due to her evocative and multi-faceted vocals.
  
  No matter how good a tune or the orchestration, the range,sweetness,flexibilty , voice modulation etc of a singer do matter to a great extent.
  
  That's why 'Vande matarm' is first a Lata song, and only then a Hemant Kumar song, 'Piyaa tu ab to aaja' is first an Asha song and then only an RDB song. The song of Swathi Kiranam is first a Vani song, and then a KVM song.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 172.154.6.212) on: Fri Apr 13 08:57:53 EDT 2001
  
  Dear LV,
  i beg to differ-take for eg tune of poongatru pudithanadhu-kjy in tamil,with slight modification went to hindi when suresh wadhkar sang it and then came back to tamil when spb sang en vaanile-all 3 were hits.
  so many of IR's telugu songs had spb singing them in telugu and mano doing them in tamil-again there were so many hits.
  if a singer sings a thiyagarajar krithi well whom should the credit go to-to the singer for singing it well or to thyagaraja swamigal for giving them something to put their heart and soul into?
  
  
  
• From: comment (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Fri Apr 13 09:47:35 EDT 2001
  
  Singing is a special ability. It is a natural talent. Like wise a composer has a natural ability to create some thing for the singers to sing.
  
  It is like using colors in a painting, singers are the colors, a composer is an artist who should have the ability to pick the right color combination in order to make his work look bright and better.
  
  An artist needs colors to work with, without them he cannot do much, like wise without the artist colors will be keep tightly locked in the bottle.
  
  I have seen a kjy interview long time ago in DD (1979 I think), he was asked about some song, kjy promptly replied as far as the film song goes, it is the composers ability to make the singers sing well, which is true till date. People like msv or ir or arr give lots of emphasis while singing, they explain the singer about the voice modulation, emotions. The singer using his/her ability sings them accordingly; a singer is a collection voice, emotion, modulation and the new industry word “feel” etc, it is the composer’s responsibility to bring them out of a singer. Singers like Spb, Shanker Mahadevan, (for that matter my SPB - rajaG ) are creative enough to add some more improvisations on the score, this more like adding an ornament, if composers are open to it, they accept this little bit extra talent. (IMHO, they should accept it.) Though some composers like msv or ir don’t prefer this.
  
  A composer can give you a poor song in spite of having spb and chitra. I can quote many examples. Composer vs Singer …it not a great theme to argue, there will be no music if both of them starts to fight.
  
  
• From: comment (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Fri Apr 13 09:50:42 EDT 2001
  
  btw, the above posting is no way connected to the title, sorry about that, I read the earlier posting and just posted mine. :)
  
  
• From: Opinion (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Fri Apr 13 22:11:51 EDT 2001
  
  Assuming that an average movie has five songs of 5 min each, the singer's role is for 25 minutes. It's the composer that fills in the remaining 2 and odd hours of movie with some meaningful music. If he were to rely on the singers for this duration also, he would become SAR, who with his lalalala... BGM can get on your last nerve before the movie is over or you are dead whichever occurs first!
  
  Now tell me if you want more from the composer, or from the singer!
  
  
• From: comment (@ 65.9.136.158) on: Fri Apr 13 23:13:18 EDT 2001
  
  opinion, remaining 2+ hrs of music, are we talking about thirunelakandar kind of movies ?
  
  
  :)
  
  

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