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ARR pEtti

Topic started by NagasubramaniaN (@ fw.baan.nl) on Mon Nov 30 22:44:23 EST 1998.
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hi,
In junior vikatan they are publishing an interview of ARR. it started last week & i think it will go upto 10 or more issues. this week there is an interesting Qn. & more interesting answer. I'll try to translate it for U !

Q : When IR was in top of music indudtry., he did music for 4 or 5 films at a time., but he was able to show some variety in songs. none of his 2 songs released at same time will be similar. But u r doing only one film at a time., u take lot of time but the final result -- ??., almost of all ur works look similar ! Why this happens ??

A : This may be due to the fact that i use same set of instruments in all songs with different combinations !

WHAT A 'MAZUPPAL' ANSWER !

DFers., what do u think about this. I think the Qn. is quite valid. for e.g take GUNA & THALAPATHY which are released on the same day. see the variety IR is able to produce between the songs of these films. IMHO ARR is lagging in this & thats why he didn't tried to object the Qn.

UR OPINIONS PLEASE !
NagasubramaniaN

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Responses:

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• From: ganesh (@ 1cust19.tnt6.beaverton.or.da.uu.net) on: Thu Dec 10 01:21:04 EST 1998
  
  Srinath:
  
  you have been throwing too many judgements. The most profound one being 'ARR being inferior to IR'.
  
  If you can say Minsara Kanavu is mediocre, somebody else is also entitled to the opinion that jhonny is mediocre.
  
  How do you objectively say Johhny is better than Minsara kanavu?? If johhny gave an enthralling experience to 100 people I am sure Minsara did to as many people (if not more!). How do you rate which is better. Personally whenever I listen to Minsara Kanavu I am really surprised at the melody, orchestration, mood of the song 'Vennilavae'. Personally I rate it as the one of the best songs composed.
  
  Since teh quality of music cannot be objectively measured, for me the success of any MD lies in his ability to give maximum satisfaction to as many listeners as possible and in my mind there is no doubt that Rahman has acieved to a GREAT extent and that too very consistently.
  
  AND HENCE I RATE HIM AS ONE OF THE BEST
  
  Even in his latest movie 'Doli Sajake Rakhna' I think he has come out with excellent numbers (like 'Jhula bahan Ka', I think it is a excellent song).
  
  
  you have been ridiculing lot of peoples taste as well. For eg:
  
  "ARR bashing requires more qualifications than you are aware of. It requires a refined taste of the highest level".
  
  If appreciating rahmans music means having a inferior taste according to you, so be it! If you cannot appreciate it pl dont make statements like this! I think they are in bad taste!
  
  
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 202.54.125.145) on: Thu Dec 10 01:32:22 EST 1998
  
  Srinath,
  
  Bravo. You rightly said that true music lovers do accept changes but NOT anything that's unfair. I agree with you in almost all points that you've put down.
  Don't take for granted the things closest to your heart. Cling to them as you would your life, for without them, life is meaningless.
  
  ARR has marketed himself so well (and the environment has been conducive and the media has been more thann kind to him) and IR hasn't. (He is still not doing it!!!!) What are his children doing??? Don't they feel anything about it?
  
  This does bug me often, why such a genius of a person shies away from marketing himself. Well, we can't do anything about it, can we?
  
  By the way, ARR has been apparently paid some huge signing amount for a BG score for a film by a British producer. This offer came in after the guy watched FIRE. Deepa Mehta, the film's director has been marketing him quite well. He is also composing music for her forthcoming films (part of the elements trilogy) viz. EARTH and WATER.
  
  Neels
  
  
• From: UV (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Dec 10 07:17:21 EST 1998
  
  "why such a genius of a person shies away from marketing himself"
  
  He composes for his satisfaction (only) as Mr. Madhan ,cartoonist/editor of AV. that's why.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ slip-32-101-16-66.il.us.ibm.net) on: Thu Dec 10 09:03:55 EST 1998
  
  swami : Calling Udit (many songs),Anupama (chandralekha has been rendered perfectly by her), sukuvinder (Thiya thaiya he sings pretty well) shows you have not heard good voice. or you hate them just bcos they were introduced by arr.
  
  When people like Arun mozi, Bhavadharani are called as singers, you and me can scream in the Studio and call ourself as singers.
  
  Good work Ganesh, make them understand. I tried my best.
  Srikanth
  
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ ss01.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Thu Dec 10 11:39:36 EST 1998
  
  ganesh:
  If I am guilty of judging ARR you are equally guilty of judging me ! I ONLY said that to criticize ARR also one must have good taste. I NEVER said that to appreciate ARR one needs poor taste. I don't even want to argue with a person who can so callously contruct his own ridiculous interpretations of others' arguments to justify his BIAS. Thanks mister..but no thanks, I'd rather not waste my precious time debating with an unreasonable person like yourself.
  
  Srikanth:
  What were you trying to make us understand ? That johnny was a mediocre album ? I am afraid you are at your anti-IR nadir this time....
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 202.54.125.177) on: Thu Dec 10 11:53:32 EST 1998
  
  Srikanth,
  
  Have you listened to Arunmozhi's song NENJE GURU NATHARIN SEVADI NINAINDU from the film Mohamul?
  It is a mind-blowing number set to a rare raga NatakaPriya and has been soulfully rendered by Arunmozhi.
  (There is an MG Sreekumar version too, you can play both the numbers and decide for yourself)
  
  I am quite sure you'll change your opinion after listening to the above song.
  
  A singer can not be branded as a good or brand singer just because so-and-so has introduced him/her. No body can take the credit for that... I think you are going on the same beaten track, that people don't like (or as you said, "hate" Udit because ARR introduced him. No body said THAT. And I don't think anybody dislikes them (or their voice?) JUST because ARR has introduced them. IMO, new singers should always be introduced to get interesting sounds and as I said earlier, ARR is doing well on that ground.
  
  Neels
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ ss05.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Thu Dec 10 11:54:40 EST 1998
  
  For those "Ayn Randers" who keep yakking on and on and on about objectivity...go and look at my posting - yes, the same silly one with Andromedean Disco, etc., etc. Even at my worst, childish behaviour I have been OBJECTIVE about ARR's achievements. Now, how many of you can claim that you are as objective about IR ? Who needs your patronizing postings where you guys keep saying IR was good - in his time. IR has always been a good - nay, great musician ! Analyze his music properly first and come out with his weakness - or for heaven's sakes atleast the reasons for his success ! The ONLY person who has pointed out any flaw in IR so far, that is a genuine critique, is Srikanth to a certain extent. He just gets pissed off when people put down ARR unfairly and so loses his temper and says something unfairly negative about IR. Apart from that, I am yet to come across anyone who has posted any genuine flaws in IR. Stop educating ME on objectivity. Objectivity is part and parcel of my character.
  
  
• From: Swami (@ 129.107.61.91) on: Thu Dec 10 12:59:58 EST 1998
  
  Srikanth,
  I never included Bava in the list of worthy introductions by IR. Infact I personally object her voice. But I can't accept the fact that Arunmozhi is bad. As Neels said NENJE GURU NATHARIN SEVADI NINAINDU, is rendered well as compared to the new breed of singers today (not all). Just compare the pronounciation of Sujatha, Chitra and Anupama..... Thank God for small mercies, we have some good sense of Tamizh.
  
  Coming back to your statement of Udit and Suk are hated by me because they were introduced by ARR. Well I register my protest to this. I still say, they are good singers in Hindi. But in Tamil, they are like noise sources.
  
  >Swami
  
  
• From: Shanmugam Murugappan (@ 208.236.83.16) on: Thu Dec 10 14:44:15 EST 1998
  
  Srinath,
  
  No one can say that ARR is better than IR. There may be some flaw, in any MD's music, for that matter, after all, every one are human beings, and not GOD. IR has given great songs which was accepted by all people. Same is the case with MSV and ARR.
  
  If IR fans say that "It is stupid to say ARR is better than IR", then, IT IS EQUALLY STUPID AND IDIOTIC TO SAY IR IS BETTER THAN ARR OR MSV. What do we people want from them? Good music. If you like it, well and good. Else, hear to music which we like. Why do we need to compare MDs?
  
  Hello, please put an end to this never-ending (irony?!) controversy.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ ss06.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Thu Dec 10 14:49:17 EST 1998
  
  Shanmugam:
  IR IS BETTER THAN ARR OR MSV. So say I. Now, let's see you call me 'stupid' and 'idiotic'...
  
  Spend some more quality time in the DF and then throw your worthless comments around.
  
  
• From: Shanmugam Murugappan (@ 208.236.83.16) on: Thu Dec 10 17:31:01 EST 1998
  
  Srinath,
  
  You were the one who gave the statement, "it is stupid to say ARR is better than IR". Is this a worthy comment after a quality time in the DF? As a matter of fact, this is a worthless comment.
  
  And read my statement again, if IR fans say that, "it is stupid to say ARR is better than IR", then, IT IS EQUALLY STUPID AND IDIOTIC TO SAY IR IS BETTER THAN ARR OR MSV. It was very generalized and I meant IR fans, not Srinath (even though you were the one to give such a statement). Again, I didn't call anyone stupid or idiotic. I repeat, makkal aadharavu petra oru kalaingara vida makkal aadharavu petra innoru kalaingar mel appadinnu solradhu muttalthanamdhaan. It all depends on each person's taste. You can always say IR is better. That's your opinion. IMO, all are better and such comparisons are incorrect. And, of course, everyone has the right to express their opinion.
  
  Again, I repeat, I never said ARR is better than IR.
  
  You spend some more time and analyze what others said. Otherwise, you will end up in throwing, in your words, WORTHLESS COMMENTS around (like what you have just done).
  
  
• From: vimal (@ 129.219.38.215) on: Thu Dec 10 17:58:25 EST 1998
  
  Srinath,
  Pl. stop taking these kinds of things personally. Even it pains me very much if they say ARR has surpassed IR or something like that. Guys like Srikanth who try to project themselves as some big "Sangithathileye oorina Bhagavathar" will keep on annoying us with more of their comments with "Neutrality and Expertise" and give some crap, concluding that ARR is the best because he grows long hair. These things will keep on happening.
  
  ARR is a temporary phenomenon, a phenomenon that's being blown up by some, why, lots of Nanriketta Manidhargal. KB, MN, BR, PVasu(That *&*&(^*&^!), why even Rajni and Kamal were all promoted to the top only because of IR's music. look what happened to KB, BR, or even MN for that matter. Machi, ella oothikichi. I used to watch all their movies only for Music. Illata padatha parthuttu tharkkolai annikavendiyathuthan.
  
  Well, I can assure you on the basis of my prolonged observation that 99% of ARR's fans are lack music knowledge or the the gift to appreciate it. My neighbour here, listened to a very rubbish song from the Movie "Daud" sung by the "Genius" that is Remo and said that the song is much better from the ones from "Varusham 16"( incidentally, I was playing that tape before he came). SURRENDER!!!!! Indha madhiri pasangala vechindu, music pathi discuss panni, sattaya kizhichika vendiyadhudhan.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ spc-isp-tor-uas-82-55.sprint.ca) on: Thu Dec 10 19:06:42 EST 1998
  
  When in pete's sake are you people going to stop fighting over these two.
  
  I honestly can't wait till some new MD becomes a phenomenon in TFM. Then you will all be praising ARR and IR together and dising the new guy.
  
  Salichu POnaval
  
  

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