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Topic started by NagasubramaniaN (@ fw.baan.nl) on Mon Nov 30 22:44:23 EST 1998.
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hi,
In junior vikatan they are publishing an interview of ARR. it started last week & i think it will go upto 10 or more issues. this week there is an interesting Qn. & more interesting answer. I'll try to translate it for U !

Q : When IR was in top of music indudtry., he did music for 4 or 5 films at a time., but he was able to show some variety in songs. none of his 2 songs released at same time will be similar. But u r doing only one film at a time., u take lot of time but the final result -- ??., almost of all ur works look similar ! Why this happens ??

A : This may be due to the fact that i use same set of instruments in all songs with different combinations !

WHAT A 'MAZUPPAL' ANSWER !

DFers., what do u think about this. I think the Qn. is quite valid. for e.g take GUNA & THALAPATHY which are released on the same day. see the variety IR is able to produce between the songs of these films. IMHO ARR is lagging in this & thats why he didn't tried to object the Qn.

UR OPINIONS PLEASE !
NagasubramaniaN

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• From: Neels (@ 202.54.125.151) on: Tue Dec 8 09:58:55 EST 1998
  
  Udit is a good singer. (And I love his voice. And I agree he is miles ahead of the Sanus and the Rathods.)
  M.G. Srikumar is a good singer too. (Ditto; I love his voice too)
  Udit is a leading singer in Hindi films and the latter is a leading singer in Malayalam films.
  
  But listen to Sonia Sonia (Rakshagan-Tamil)and Kissa Hum Likhenge (Doli Sajaake Rakhna-Hindi)sung by Udit and MGS respectively and you'll know what I mean. I feel very very uncomfortable listening to the above song(s) primarily because of their poor pronounciation rendering. I understand that no one can be perfect in their accent owing to various linguistic influences, but it IS the responsibility of the lyricist and the MD to make them realise the places where they err and give a decent rendering. In case of MG Srikumar, I have a feeling that ARR has been kinda emotionally blackmailed by Priyadarshan (who I believe is MGS' friend) to take him for atleast one song in his films. He has done that earlier where MGS has spoled a good number in which Chitra is brilliant! I would also like to add here that Swarnalatha, who ARR introduced in Hindi was near-perfect in her rendering! In case of Udit, well, it's probably the novelty that ARR was keen to bring about and not bother much about the accuracy of the lyrics!!!! But honestly, there needs to be an earnest effort from the creators' end (that includes the singer too).
  
  Well, this is the digital age and no one seems to devote any time practising the songs. They come in; listen to the tune and probably the basic score and dub over it and forget about it. It's appalling to note that even duets are done this way; There's hardly any interaction between the lead singers...!
  It's nice to note that ARR is keen to introduce lots of new talents (some may be 'known talents' in other languages) to TFM. But whether it's him or IR or any other MD, the responsibilty of the final delivery is very much theirs.
  So, Srikanth, don't get too worked up and get defensive. Take it easy!
  
  Neels
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 202.54.125.151) on: Tue Dec 8 10:01:56 EST 1998
  
  OOPs! Errata in the above post:
  
  "I feel very very uncomfortable listening to the above song(s) primarily because of their poor pronounciation and hence poor rendering"
  
  Neels
  
  
• From: Ramkumar Perumanam (@ ants.lucent.com) on: Tue Dec 8 11:00:53 EST 1998
  
  Hi,
  In case you have not read it already there is
  an interview with ARR in THe Hindu(dated Dec 5).Here is the URL:
  
  " target="_top">http://www.webpage.com/hindu/daily/981205/13/13051105.htm">
  
  Happy reading.
  
  
• From: UV (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Tue Dec 8 11:29:55 EST 1998
  
  Srikanth,
  What I say is that udit became "poor udit" to u bcos he was introduced by ARR (in TFM).
  
  well, neels, if the MD himself is yet another udit ,How can u expect him to correct udit???
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 202.54.125.151) on: Tue Dec 8 11:37:42 EST 1998
  
  Well, I'm sure he can rely on the Tamil knowledge of his "aasthana kavi" Vairamuthu!
  (I haven't heard VM, but I do hope he is not one of those who can't differentiate an 'n' and an 'N' (I mean 'rendu chuzhi na' and 'moonu chuzhi Na')
  
  Neels
  
  
• From: Ravy (@ eagle.vapower.com) on: Tue Dec 8 13:19:57 EST 1998
  
  <<>>>
  
  This is what Deepa Mehta ('Fire' fame) had to say about ARR - the MD of that movie.
  
  Source : Today's Rediff chat
  
  
• From: Ravy (@ eagle.vapower.com) on: Tue Dec 8 13:23:10 EST 1998
  
  Sorry. I don't know what happened. The words are missing. I'll try to post again; Otherwise Pl. check today's Rediff at www.rediff.com
  
  "Brilliant, I think he is the consummate composer that I know of in the world. His music comes from the characters and is an extension of them. I think he is the best.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ proxy1.dpn.deere.com) on: Tue Dec 8 13:35:57 EST 1998
  
  Hi Neels ,
  very good thoughts,
  Arr has to check his singer which he often fails, VM makes most of the checks on pronounciation etc.
  
  Also you have discussed about a basic differnce between a North Indian and south Indian.
  We tend pick up things pretty quickly.
  
  Srikanth
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 202.54.125.151) on: Tue Dec 8 14:46:21 EST 1998
  
  Hey Srikanth,
  You may like to read this:)
  (I am repeating something I mentioned in another thread...)
  
  Last week I heard an English song, which sounded very much like a remixed version of Ottagathai Kattikko. I know for sure it isn't a remix, but, can anyone throw more light on this song? Has anyone heard this one?
  
  (I'll be proud if this one turns out to be a copy of ARR's number!, after all, imitation is .... )
  
  
• From: Shanmugam Murugappan (@ 208.236.83.16) on: Wed Dec 9 20:05:59 EST 1998
  
  Srikanth,
  
  Forget all the bashing. Let's put it like this and end the ongoing controversy (IR vs ARR).
  
  IR was THE MD of the previous generation
  ARR is THE MD of the current generation
  
  Anyone (ARR bashers) can deny it. But, for all they say, ARR is the best MD in the Indian Film Industry, let alone TFM. He is giving us good songs and they are all welcome by the public, as you said. That's all. Why should one fight for known facts? IR was a great MD of his days and his days are passing. These are ARR days. And it is very difficult for people to accept changes.
  
  As you said, ARR was bold (and to a great extent, successful) enough to introduce new singers and making entire India dance for his tunes. The fact that TFM, as well as Tamil Films, got accolades across the country was only after the arrival of ARR. As you can see, even though, KB, BR, Sridhar and many directors were there, giving great movies, they were not a hit across India like ManiRatnam or Shankar. A striking fact is that ManiRatnam was called the nation's best director only after his "Roja" (MD : ARR), even though he had given "Mouna Raagam" and "Naayagan" (MD for both the films : IR) before. One should thank ARR for the popularity of Tamil films and TFM throughout India.
  
  To sum up, ARR IS THE MD OF THE YOUNG GENERATION
  
  
• From: swami (@ 129.107.61.33) on: Wed Dec 9 21:36:15 EST 1998
  
  When IR was at his peak, Internet was not so popular. The fact is as simple as this, his (the so called brave feats) introduction of new singers went unnoticed. As pointed out by others, Mano, Chitra, Sujatha, Jency, Minmini..........well can anyone question the quality of these singers? Now compare with what ARR had done, Suresh Peters(Oh God), Anupama, Udit, Apache, Sukhwinder, couple of guys in the movie Love Birds (of course he did bring Unni); just look compare the class of singers both IR and ARR have introduced. It clearly demarcates the quality expectation of the two.
  
  I accept, Udit is too good a singer.........but in Hindi. You can't expect a doctor to write a Java code.
  
  >Swami
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 167-211-155.ipt.aol.com) on: Wed Dec 9 22:51:05 EST 1998
  
  Shanmugam:
  Interestingly Mouna Raagam and Nayagan are infinitely better than trash like Roja. The fist time I saw that movie, I felt bored. Since it was the first Tamizh film to become a national rage, I watched it again - this time I couldn't keep my eyes open and dozed for most of the duration of the film - it is a national outrage. MR has been going down in quality, no matter what anyone says, this is my firm belief. He is one gimmick using director who uses a gimmick like ARR to prop up his insipid movies. Funny thing is, ARR himself uses gimmicks to prop up his music. ARR fans don't understand something - the only reason that they appreciate ARR is because they have not had the opportunity to appreciate IR. Like you said, the current generation is like that - they can only relate to things happening in their generation - fact of life. But there are some people who are bitter about MSV's ouster by IR and therefore to "prove" that IR is not the greatest, they keep harping about ARR, though they would never accept a statement like, "ARR is better than MSV", which IMO is as stupid as saying that ARR is better than IR.
  
  For all the hundreds and thousands of reasons given by ARR fans, please guys give us a break !!! IR has done ALL of that and then some !!!! New singers ? Yes ! North Indian Singers ? Yes !!! Western Music ? Oh ! God ! IR is even better than most of the best contemporary western musicians !!!! Songs without instruments ? Yes ! Fully synthesized songs ? Yes !!! Harmonies ? Yes !!! Melodies ? Yes !!! Humming ? Yes !!! Tabla ? Yes !!! Drums ? Yes !!! Male singing in female voice ? Yes !!! Female singing in Male voice ? Yes !!! Human singing in animal voice ? Yes !!! Animal singing like human ? Yes !!! Martian Disco ? Yes !!! Andromedean Waltz ? Yes !!! Vulcan Twist ? Yes !!! This ? Yes !!! That ? Yes !!! Yes !! Yes !!! Yes !!! Whatever ARR has done, IR has done it already....better. ARR caters to modern tastes better than IR. ARR has caught national...no, international attention with his style - even if he uses commercially available beat loops, there are thousands who use them and still don't succeed. ARR is a much better marketable commodity than IR. ARR is more careful with his image and the expectations from him - ultimately ARR is more successful than IR...and that has been the story for the past 7 years. But NEVER claim that ARR is better because of a particular facet of music at which he is better than IR !!!! He is NOT !
  
  It is not difficult for me to accept changes. I just cannot accept anything that I feel is unfair. I owe IR nothing - except his beautiful music. I don't personally benefit in any way 'supporting IR. It is just my sense of justice that appeals to me when people blindly say that ARR has done this better than IR and that is why he is popular. ARR has not done anything that IR has not already done. He is just doing it in a way that finds relevance with today's generation.
  
  BTW, Shanmugam, ARR has certain inherent drawbacks that will always keep him a few notches short of the mantle of genius.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.28.66) on: Thu Dec 10 00:23:02 EST 1998
  
  srinath,
  enna bayangramaana moodla irukeenga polarukke (:-))
  
  

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