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Topic started by NagasubramaniaN (@ fw.baan.nl) on Mon Nov 30 22:44:23 EST 1998.
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hi,
In junior vikatan they are publishing an interview of ARR. it started last week & i think it will go upto 10 or more issues. this week there is an interesting Qn. & more interesting answer. I'll try to translate it for U !

Q : When IR was in top of music indudtry., he did music for 4 or 5 films at a time., but he was able to show some variety in songs. none of his 2 songs released at same time will be similar. But u r doing only one film at a time., u take lot of time but the final result -- ??., almost of all ur works look similar ! Why this happens ??

A : This may be due to the fact that i use same set of instruments in all songs with different combinations !

WHAT A 'MAZUPPAL' ANSWER !

DFers., what do u think about this. I think the Qn. is quite valid. for e.g take GUNA & THALAPATHY which are released on the same day. see the variety IR is able to produce between the songs of these films. IMHO ARR is lagging in this & thats why he didn't tried to object the Qn.

UR OPINIONS PLEASE !
NagasubramaniaN

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Responses:

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• From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Sun Dec 6 04:14:41 EST 1998
  
  For a caucasian all orientals look alike. For an oriental all caucasians look alike. :-).
  
  
• From: an ardent ravi fan (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Sun Dec 6 04:23:28 EST 1998
  
  appadi pOdunga!!
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Sun Dec 6 04:28:58 EST 1998
  
  srinath &hahahaha,
  >>udit's voice is so fondling & cute <<
  
  ippadi solravanga kitta music pathi pEsina unga time dhAn waste.
  
  an_ardent...,
  >>>>all the songs seemed alike eg ninaivellam nitha , thendrale yennaithodo, udaiyageetham, manvasanai' jonny so on, all songs romantic songs are alike &sad songs are alike , only tunes different. <<<
  
  ha..ha...ha...ha...ha..haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....
  
  the statement given next to the above mentioned (laughed at ) is worth finding a place in dlkjhdf...thread.
  
  
• From: an ardent arr fan (@ 203.197.129.59) on: Sun Dec 6 07:35:57 EST 1998
  
  you guys have time for haaaaaaaaaaaahahahahah
  haaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha but are tight-lipped
  about ir 's refusal to break his monotony .
  
  
• From: an ardent ceiling fan (@ 212-235-177.ipt.aol.com) on: Sun Dec 6 16:35:28 EST 1998
  
  Hi,
  
  This thread is equivalent to "djkh... in its humor element :-). Ravi, sama punch !!!!
  
  No comments, except for Keep going !! It is a lo of fun.
  
  
• From: Big B (@ 216.0.34.90) on: Sun Dec 6 18:31:59 EST 1998
  
  Hi Warriors!
  
  Interesting reading, this war between the ARR lovers and the "Oh so superior" IR lovers. Just couldn't stand by and watch Udit Narayan being dismissed so easily. His pronounciation may be appalling in Tamil but he is easily the best singer in the north and its obvious that you guys/gals have no notion of the scene in the north. So stick to your guns and ramble on but please stick to what you know only, ie, Udit as a tamil singer, not a singer in general.
  -Big B
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 209-175-148.ipt.aol.com) on: Sun Dec 6 19:23:08 EST 1998
  
  Hey Big B !
  Stop jumping to conclusions and stop throwing accusations around. Get off your own high horse and then spread the good word around.
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 202.54.125.176) on: Mon Dec 7 03:58:14 EST 1998
  
  I don't think anybody out here questioned Udit's musical knowledge or vocal talent. The issue is bad-pronounciation and poor rendering and as a result, not-so-appealing and easy-to-the-ear numbers.
  I feel it is the responsibility of both the lyricist and the MD to be task-masters and ensure that the singer (he may have descended from the Himalayas or from the Heaven for that matter) delivers the lyrics to perfection.
  New voices are definitely welcome. We have had many singers introduced by IR (Krishna Chander, Sujata, Kalyani Menon, Uma Ramanan, Jency, Sasirekha, Mano, Arunmozhi, Sunanda, Swarnalata, Mitali) and many more by ARR, but honestly, how many have actually become successful? They have to put-in the little extra to become star-singers like SPB, Chitra et al. So, if an MD prefers certain artists, what's wrong with that?
  IMO, repeating a couple of singers doesn't matter at all. If anything, the probability of two songs sounding similar is greatly reduced if you get the second song sung by brand-new singers.
  
  (is that what you want to say ARR-Fan?)
  
  Ninaivellam Nitya and Johny and a host of movies that you've picked certainly don't qualify for the 'IR getting repetitive' accusation!
  I would've been happy as a music fan (and not just ARR or IR fan) if you'd really given some food for thought, by mentioning some 'real' examples that show repetition rather than drop names just for the heck of it.
  By the way, what do you mean, "they sound the same, but the tunes are different" (A hot contender for an Oxymoron???)
  My apologies if I sound a bit rude here: that's nt my intention.
  
  Cheers!
  
  Neels
  
  THE LIPPMAN LEMMA:
  "People specialise in their area of greatest weakness."
  
  
• From: oh so superior (@ bowerbird.qut.edu.au) on: Mon Dec 7 05:13:58 EST 1998
  
  Big B(leeding for udit)!
  
  this is TFM, so udit's voice is analysed in context of tamil films only. we'll stick to our guns and insist that he's udit nara(ga)yan until he shows some decent effort in atleast one song. didn't sonu nigam do a far better job in his 1st tamil song "varayo thozhi" (jeans)?
  as for your presupposing that none of us have any notion of the great north of vindhyas,......
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ slip-32-101-16-213.il.us.ibm.net) on: Mon Dec 7 09:21:11 EST 1998
  
  HI,
  
  New singers : ARR introduced new singers in his first few movies, No one will dare or risk thier own intro by introducing someone new.
  
  Bad pronounciation : infact KJY has the worest.
  we have accepted him bcos of his sweet voice, we should apply same to Udit. He does have good voice when compared other hindi singers.
  
  Srikanth
  
  
• From: Mukund (@ 202-155-201.ipt.aol.com) on: Mon Dec 7 12:17:13 EST 1998
  
  Hi,
  
  KJY had bad pronunciations only at the early part of his career (Therukovile) for example. He had after that maintained an impeccable level of pronunciation which was really appreciable. I do not want to cite examples here.
  
  To be frank, I had some good opinion on Udit Narayan when he was singing in hindi. All I remember now is QSQT movie. But IMO, singing in Tamil requires a lot of involvement on the melody aspect which he had sadly lacks. And it shows so badly in Tamil movie singing.
  
  Apart from the pronunciation - I felt that his voice sounded terrible for Tamil songs - If it suits HFM well and good. Remember not one person opposes HH so vehemently, bcos there is stuff in him.
  
  I cannot understand or sync with a comparison which places Udit's voice and KJY's voice on the same platform.
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Mon Dec 7 12:18:36 EST 1998
  
  Srikanth,
  >>KJY has the worst.<<
  At times make me laugh :-)))
  Apart from "theru kOyilE " (in the beginning of his career)what have u found wrong in KJYs pronunciation ?
  At least he's improved,Udit is deteriorating in every tamil number he sings.
  
  BTW,what relevance does ur statement "no one will dare..." have here???
  
  Is this statement bcos he said ARR spoiled VM ( jus kiddin') :-)))
  
  
• From: Swami (@ 129.107.61.91) on: Mon Dec 7 16:36:52 EST 1998
  
  <<<< KJY has the worst >>>>
  
  Well I guess the next posting would be SPB has the worst of all. Really funny indeed.
  Pavam sir avangala koncham vittu vekkalam. Avanga neraya saathichutanga, aana namba (atleast me!!)......verum thagara dappa than.
  
  
• From: kiruba (@ surf0004.sybase.com) on: Mon Dec 7 22:51:55 EST 1998
  
  Srikanth,
  I think there is another motive for ARR using new singers. He expects that to add to the 'newness/novelty' of his creation.(Note, I am not saying he is lacking innovation in other depts to just change the voice :-))
  
  As for IR using the same singers, that may have to do with the fact that these singers are background singing for the same actors. How can Rajni's voice change in diff. movies ? (Especially, even if the character he is playing does not change much :-))
  
  Re: IR using tabla all the time. I think he is using it to just keep the beat. It is not necessarily the main percussion or for that any instrument. For eg. in most songs the vocals are supposed to be the main focus. Ofcourse, I am not that musically savvy so I may be wrong. But to me in most songs the tabla becomes transparent. I have also noticed the interludes do not necessarily have the tabla.
  
  A suggestion to 'An Ardent ARR Fan' - first become a music fan then pick your music (not necessarily the MD).
  
  
• From: N.C. Ramakrishna (@ hil-c45-014-vty116.as.wcom.net) on: Tue Dec 8 00:26:34 EST 1998
  
  Udit NArayana is the best singer available in Hindi at present. He has unique style, he is sweet. No doubt that he is a good singer. Its not his fault that he is not able to pronounce Tamil.If he cant sing Tamil song, why should he allowed to sing. I think its MD's fault that he is allowing this to happen.
  
  If somebody cant pronounce Tamil, MD's either should take care of it or not use the singer. We see this in many of ARR songs only. He doesnt take care of mispronouncation of Tamil.
  
  Once again I dont see any greatness in somebody introducing many singers. I agree with Kiruba. There may be some other reason like non availabilty of singers for them. Like ARR mentioning in Rediff chat that he is forced to used other singers due to non availabilty of SPB.
  
  Srikanth I think you are too harsh on Yesudas. No one can be perfect in languages other than their mother tongue. We have to accept this fact.I think he is better than many singers ( in pronounciation) whom ARR is using.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ slip-32-101-16-2.il.us.ibm.net) on: Tue Dec 8 08:59:28 EST 1998
  
  Hi,
  Inspite of being a south indian KJY has had bad accent - as time passed he improved - we all accepted it, why not give a chance to a northindian singer UDIT - is my question.
  
  The Poor Udit is hated here just for the reason he was introduced by ARR. He is the best hindi singer around, (10000 times better than kumar sanu). I tell there has been days when our singers were longing to sing hindi songs, now arr has changed it updside down, should be proud instead of cursing him.
  
  NCR: Greatness in introducing new singers - it is not a easy task. ARR risked his carrier, he was new when introduced new singers, this is a big risk for a rookie musician. Any new musician will prefer the best singers around when they are introduced for the first time.
  Also this is about Arr interview discussion now once again becomes a ARR bashing topic.
  What ever you guys CRIB --- he is going great guns. He is providing good music to the public. public is happy ---- there it ends.
  
  we have screamed at promoters, actors, directors, singers, etc etc who were patronising ARR directly or indirectly , just few things are left like
  --- KORG, YAMAHA, Roland - ARR uses instruments from them. so we can start cursing these companies.
  --- SunTV and other radio stations which plays ARR songs.
  --- Audio vendors
  --- ARR's sister, brother and his familiy.
  --- His car driver.
  
  many here are more worried about MMDA removing Rajas building - which is no way concerned about music.
  Srikanth
  
  
• From: raja (@ spider-tn032.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Dec 8 09:47:34 EST 1998
  
  Srikanth:
  
  Comparing KJY and UN does not make sense, KJY is far ahead, maybe when he started singing tf songs, he made a few goofs. UN sings well period. His voice is more pleasing than K Sanu - who is quite bad IMO.
  
  ARR experimenting with new singers works well at times.
  
  

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