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- From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2)
on: Fri May 11 16:37:57 EDT 2001
arrfan:
don't copy paste and fill a wrong thread.
- From: (@ 213.11.117.254)
on: Sun May 13 05:26:16 EDT 2001
vijay - I think both Maniye and Aagaya are in Natabairavhi or a janya of Natabairavhi. Just like Jiya Jale(Nenjinile) and Vaseegara.
- From: Saketh@Binghamton (@ 128.226.22.161)
on: Sun May 13 10:54:15 EDT 2001
"Kannukul nooru nilava... idhu oru kanava" from Vedam Puthithu is Shanmukapriya right?
- From: Saketh@Binghamton (@ 128.226.22.161)
on: Sun May 13 10:55:53 EDT 2001
"Kaalayum neeye... maalayum neeye" from a Gemini Ganesh movie is Vasantha?
- From: Amritha (@ 63.17.243.139)
on: Sun May 13 13:56:03 EDT 2001
What are the raagas of these songs:
Eechi elumichi (Taj Mahal)
Poraale Ponnuthaayi (Karuthamma)
Also what do the first four lines of 'eechi elumichi' mean? They go like this:
Eechi elumichi, Eri karuvachi
Thanni kulla ponavalum needhaan pechi
Katthi vacha kann irandum thaaney saatchi
Thanks
- From: IR (@ 4.3.190.253)
on: Sun May 13 18:25:17 EDT 2001
Saketh - you are right about Kannukkul Nooru Nilavaa
Kaalayum Neeyae is in Basanth Bahaar
- From: Kupps (@ )
on: Mon May 14 01:33:33 EDT 2001
what is the raaga for the songs:
1) seer kondu vaa ven maegamae (naan paadum paadal?)
2) yeadhaedho yennam vaLarthaen (punnagai mannan)
- From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.71)
on: Mon May 14 05:03:34 EDT 2001
kupps,
yededo-(P.M)-is in the raaga pahaadi.
and porale pannu starts with mohanam(quite obvious)and then.....i feel its a major cocktail!
- From: Isav (@ 203.199.224.105)
on: Mon May 14 11:49:57 EDT 2001
Porale ponnuthaye has been already discussed a lot in this thread.Going on see(paathukkittae ponga) old responses.
Friendz what about the raagas in the songs of the film Paarvai ondre Podhumae
- From: Isav (@ 203.199.224.81)
on: Tue May 15 09:42:33 EDT 2001
Following are the songs
Song1 - Thirumba Thirumba paarthu paarthu
Song2 - Thuli Thiliyai Malaithuliyai
Song3 - Thirudiya Idhayathai thiruppikodu
Song4 - Nee paarunnu sonnalum .. kittae than iruppaen
- From: saketh@binghamton (@ 159.48.248.2)
on: Wed May 16 10:48:01 EDT 2001
Is "Neengal athanai perum uthamar thaana koorungal..." from a Sivaji movie based on Mohanam?
- From: Isav (@ 203.199.224.154)
on: Thu May 17 10:39:21 EDT 2001
Seems Neengal athanai perum is in Natabairavi.
- From: (@ 213.11.117.254)
on: Thu May 17 12:52:35 EDT 2001
Eechi Elumichi - ABHERI Raga, like Kannodu Kanbadhellam
Sotta Sotta Nanaidhu from Tajmahal has touches of Vaachaspathi and a mix of Ragas.
Poraale is in Mohanam, with Shruthi Bhedhas and then the sad version goes on to Vaasanthi.
- From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170)
on: Thu May 17 20:14:20 EDT 2001
are there any songs by IR in saveri ( not sudha saveri) , begada, bhairavi, kundhalavarAli...
- From: kumar (@ 131.124.100.125)
on: Fri May 18 00:25:46 EDT 2001
azhagi nee paerazhagi...(enga ooru paattukkaaran) is in Kundhalavaraali.
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.209)
on: Fri May 18 12:28:45 EDT 2001
I dont think Poraale Ponnu thaayi has any kind of Sruthi bedha raga of Mohanam in it!
- From: sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.41)
on: Fri May 18 13:27:23 EDT 2001
IR,
exactly!....
- From: Isav (@ 203.199.224.245)
on: Sat May 19 12:06:58 EDT 2001
Friends what about the Paarvai ondre podume songs raagas?
- From: IR (@ 4.3.188.21)
on: Sun May 20 07:32:21 EDT 2001
Isav: this is what i think...
Thuli Thiliyai Malaithuliyai - Keeravani
Thirudiya Idhayathai thiruppikodu - Natabhairavi
Nee paarunnu sonnalum .. kittae than iruppaen - Madhyamavathi
Would listen to thirumba thirumba yet another time and post...
- From: (@ 213.11.117.254)
on: Sun May 20 08:52:56 EDT 2001
Sinduja/IR - care to explain?
- From: Isav (@ 203.199.224.146)
on: Sun May 20 10:31:19 EDT 2001
Tnx IR. Thirumba Thirumba ... When I heard it thirumba thirumba it sounds like Sivaranjani.
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.125)
on: Sun May 20 12:28:45 EDT 2001
explain what???
- From: IR (@ 4.3.190.77)
on: Sun May 20 13:21:57 EDT 2001
Hello 213.11.117...
This is my observation on Poraale ponnuthaayi: C & P inga a previous post of mine!
From: IR (@ 38.220.167.217) on: Fri Apr 20 10:30:15 EDT 2001
Swamiji - yes Poraale ponnuthayi has traces of Shivaranjani in the charanams...
as SL mentioned - it starts off with mohanam..
sounds like Jana Sammodhini ( Sa Ni2 Dha2 pa Ga3 Ri2 sa) in the line : vetkatha "vittu thallaama"
Uses Shiva Ranjani notes a lot in the charanams... (uses ga2 - and mohanam with Ga2 instead of ga3 = Shivaranjani)
like: Manasula "Kallamilla", "Vyaazhanum Velliyum Irupadhu Dhooramilla" etc...
I guess I heard a ma1 in the "yelaelo yelaelo" humming between pallavi and charanam...
******************************
There are no traces of any sruthi bedha raagas of mohanam in this song!
- From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.111)
on: Sun May 20 13:37:01 EDT 2001
213.11.117,
"IR,exactly"=>"yes,even i feel there is no shruthi bedham"
- From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2)
on: Sun May 20 18:35:11 EDT 2001
Has anybody listened to "isaimEdaiyil inba vELaiyil" from iLamaikkOlangaL ? This song IMO has very good influences of darbaari kaanada. And hence a punctuated similarity with "mullai malar mele".
- From: (@ 213.11.117.254)
on: Mon May 21 07:10:11 EDT 2001
Thanks IR, really informative - I too thought of the Misra Sivaranjani bits in it, but couldn't/can't remember the song too well. I shall listen to it again, as there are 2 versions of it, one happy and one sad.... I still felt the presence of some Suddha Saveri at points.
Many Thanks Again.
- From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170)
on: Mon May 21 21:13:55 EDT 2001
are there any songs by IR in saveri ( not sudha saveri) , begada, bhairavi, varali. sorry to ask again but just curious..
- From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170)
on: Mon May 21 21:14:47 EDT 2001
kumar. thanks for the kuntalavarali number... i wasnt' aware of that..
- From: Isav (@ 203.199.220.72)
on: Tue May 22 10:24:30 EDT 2001
MS - Isai maedayil inba velayil is in Kanada or Dharbari Kanada?.B'cos Mullai malar is in Kanada and Malarae Mounama is in Dharbari Kanada.Isai medai is similar to Malarae.
- From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2)
on: Tue May 22 12:51:10 EDT 2001
Isav - Mullai malar is in kaanada - true. Isai medaiyil is in pseudo - darbaari kaanada. But u will find that there is a triking similarity between both.
- From: rams (@ 148.87.1.170)
on: Tue May 22 17:13:12 EDT 2001
Can anybody tell me the raaga of the song
chinnanchiru pen pOle sitrAdai ....
I believe the song is composed by TR Pappa and quite often sung by Dr.Sirkazhi Govindarajan.
Also I am eager to know the raaga of the song
Thendralathu unnidathil sollivaitha
from MSV in Andha 7 Naatkal.
The starting notes go like
SGMP GMGS NSNP GMNP S.
GGR MMG PPMG RNS.
Thanks
- From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134)
on: Wed May 23 01:06:15 EDT 2001
what is the raaga for the song seer kondu vaa ven maegamae (naan paadum paadal?).
Sorry for the repost, i'm just curious about knowing the raaga for this because, to me, this song and yaedhaedho yennam(Punnagai mannan), which is in Pahaadi(told by Sindhuja), sound to be based on same raaga or something like that.
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.15.20)
on: Wed May 23 04:43:31 EDT 2001
Kupps,
Just a clarification-It was Dr.Sk who pointed out that Yededo in P.mannan is in Pahaadi.Of course,even I'm convinced about it.And abt.the other song u've mentioned,I've never heard it.
- From: Isav (@ 203.199.220.146)
on: Wed May 23 04:51:52 EDT 2001
rams - chinnanjchiru pen poelae - Sindhu bairavi
Thendraladhu - Almost Arabhi(?!)
Kupps - Both seems to be similar.Also Engiruntho Oru kural vandhadhu Adhu endha devadhaiyin kuralo seems to be in Pahadi.
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.197)
on: Wed May 23 10:19:43 EDT 2001
rams, Isav... I think Thendral adhu unnidathil is one of those MSV "classics" which is not necessarily set in "a raga". There are traces of thilang, bahudaari, naattai, etc... it pretty much uses most notes!!
which movie is chinnanchiru pen pole from??
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.197)
on: Wed May 23 10:31:45 EDT 2001
Kupps - from what I can recollect - seer kondu vaa is Shankarabharanam based - and I dont remember listening to any non-SB notes in that song!
- From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2)
on: Thu May 24 02:27:52 EDT 2001
IR, when I was humming "thendralathu unnidathil" I was reminded of "naalaam naalaam thirunaalaam" from Kaadhalikka Neramillai..is this based on any distinct raga?
- From: saketh@binghamton (@ 159.48.248.2)
on: Thu May 24 13:32:04 EDT 2001
What raaga is "Adi aathaadi... ila-manasuonnu rakka katti parakdhu sari thaanaaa..." from Kadalora Kavithaigal based on?
Is it Keeravani?
- From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170)
on: Thu May 24 14:22:56 EDT 2001
vijay. thilang.
saketh. is it not sivaranjani?
- From: rams (@ 148.87.1.170)
on: Thu May 24 14:58:34 EDT 2001
IR - I don't know if it is a film song,but I have heard it many times from Dr.Sirkazhi.Let me add few more lines of the song,
Chinnachiru pen pOle
ChitrAdai idai uduthi
sivagangai kulatharuke
veEtrirupAl
Isav,thanks for pointing out it is sindhu bairavi.
I had an instinct that it should be kalyana vasantham.
Appreciate if somebody could list film/devotional songs in kalyana vasantham. I have heard a few
1. kAnji pattu uduthi
2. Ninnaye rathiyennru ninaikkirenadi
3. nalla manam vazhga
Thanks
- From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2)
on: Thu May 24 15:10:17 EDT 2001
rams:
The sharaNam of unakkenna mElE nindraal has kalyaaN vasantham.
"yaaraarO naNban endru yEmaandha nenjam uNdu ->paal pOla kaLLum uNdu niRaththalE reNdum uNdu"
The second paal pola goes to sindhu bhairavi.
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