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- From: IR (@ 4.3.190.141)
on: Wed May 2 21:56:36 EDT 2001
Ninnai Charanadaindhen is in Panthuvarali/Poorya Dhanashri (Mayamalavagowlai's pradhdhi madhyama version)
- From: Isav (@ 203.199.220.76)
on: Thu May 3 11:00:32 EDT 2001
I have heard that Vellai pura onru is set in YamunaKalyani.(Krishna nee Beganae Baarao...)
- From: Isav (@ 203.199.220.76)
on: Thu May 3 11:04:24 EDT 2001
haris,
Padagotti songs whatever I remember
Pattukku Paateduthu - Ragam(Sindhu bairavi?!)
Kadal Mael pirakka vaithan (Ragam Natabairavi)
You can mention the other songs of padagotti and our friendz can help you.
- From: Vidhya (@ 206.216.1.3)
on: Thu May 3 11:51:35 EDT 2001
thottaal poo malarum - Sudhdha dhanyasi.
- From: IR (@ 4.3.188.93)
on: Thu May 3 12:07:54 EDT 2001
guys - most songs from padagotti are in the dhool site - but the link is not working again! :(
Isav - most part of the song is in Kalyani - there is one usage of Ma1 in both the charanams - I am not sure if you would classify the song under YK for that reason...
- From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2)
on: Thu May 3 22:46:51 EDT 2001
an observation:
paattukku paatteduththu and kadal mEl piRakka vaiththan have the same sandham.
- From: isai_aarvam (@ 131.124.100.125)
on: Fri May 4 00:14:51 EDT 2001
aarohanam, avarohanam for Hameer Kalyani...please!
- From: Devin (@ 210.186.74.79)
on: Fri May 4 06:40:56 EDT 2001
Can anyone tell me what is the raagam used in the song Vaseeharaa from the film Minnale. As far as i concern, the raagam of this song comes under Melam-20 that is NATABHAIRAVI.But i'm not sure wether its a janya raagam of Nataibhairavi or nataibhairavi itself,.. If its a janya raagam of Nataibhairavi, then what is the name of that raagam and how many swarams does it contains??
- From: Devin (@ 203.106.77.142)
on: Fri May 4 07:00:06 EDT 2001
another thing which is confusing me is the song Varaagaa-Nathi-Karai Oram, from the movie Sangamam, somebody has confused me that the raagam used in that song is a raagam called YAMUNAA KALYAANI, but when i play the song according to the yamunaa kalyani, i feel somehting is really wrong, the D1 in the Yamunaa Kalyaani doesn't really suit to the song varaagaa nathikarai Oaram, infact, when i play the song in Melam-29 under sangaraabaranam, it forms more exact and accurate swarams. Perhaps somebody has even told me that the raagam of the song is Bilahari or etc from Melam-29,. but how about the Yamunaa Kalyaani?? is that true or false,. what is the real melam or raagam of the song Varaagaa-Nathi-Karai Oram from sangamam??
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.205)
on: Fri May 4 15:17:42 EDT 2001
Devin - there have been some discussions on both these songs - you may want to read old responses....
- From: CM (@ )
on: Fri May 4 20:27:13 EDT 2001
An example of Jonpuri is "aandavan dharisanamE mei adiyaar vEndidum anubhavamE" from sarawathy sabadham. If you are a fan of S.Ve.S's drama then
you can find the first line in "Adhirshtakaaran" drama. I think jonpuri also closely resembles saaramathi.
Disclaimer: Im no expert
- From: CM (@ 171.71.229.128)
on: Fri May 4 20:28:25 EDT 2001
One more example of Jonpuri is the mallu film song "sangeethame amara sallaapamE" fromthe movie Sargam.
- From: Rajesh (@ 199.168.32.5)
on: Fri May 4 23:22:26 EDT 2001
Guys, if someone is online, please tell me on what scale, the song 'thanga thamarai' is based ? I am just trying to play that, it fits into different scales...i'm not able to place the shadjamam in the song. please, some one help me out.
Does the song start in panjamam ? what raga is this ?
- From: CM (@ 128.107.248.220)
on: Sat May 5 04:15:12 EDT 2001
guys,
Is the song "AnbE anbE nee en" from the film uyirOdu uyiraaga *ing Ajith , MD Vidyasaagar in the raaga Brindavana Saaranga?.
Thanks in advance
- From: IR (@ 4.3.188.56)
on: Sat May 5 06:13:28 EDT 2001
CM - Anbe Anbe is in Keeravani
- From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2)
on: Sat May 5 16:33:51 EDT 2001
Rajesh:
try the harikamboji scale.
- From: Rajesh (@ 199.168.32.6)
on: Sat May 5 21:59:09 EDT 2001
Hey MS,
It fits into that scale, too. But, placing the pallavi at shadjamam sounds good for me. then, it goes with n3, d1 in charanam. tell me where do you place the shadjamam ?
- From: Rajesh (@ 199.168.32.6)
on: Sat May 5 22:18:11 EDT 2001
sorry, i meant placing the pallavi at madhyamam (m1) sounds good for me...!
- From: Vidhya (@ 128.33.4.116)
on: Sun May 6 18:56:46 EDT 2001
Rajesh: Swarams for first two words "thanga thaamarai" will be Sa Sa Sa SaRi2.
The song starts in Shatjamam.
- From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134)
on: Mon May 7 02:06:08 EDT 2001
i somewhere read the song yengae naan kanbaen un aaraadhanai from the film saadhanai (MD is IR) is "close to" (or) "inspired from" kallellaam maanikka kallaagumaa an old MSV song. But i also feel the saadhanai song has stricking resemblence to the song mayanginaen solla thayanginaen unnai virumbinaen uyirae naanae raaja naanae mandhiri(??) (again MD is IR).
Are these three songs based on same raaga? if so which raaga?
- From: Isav (@ 203.199.220.164)
on: Mon May 7 11:44:07 EDT 2001
Yengae naan & Mayanginaen - Charukesi
Kallellam - Mayamalavagowlai
- From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2)
on: Mon May 7 14:58:23 EDT 2001
than|gath| thaa|ma|rai| ma|ga|LE|| -
sa| sa| sa| sa| ri| sa|sa|ni
will be the notes.
- From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.243)
on: Tue May 8 05:20:53 EDT 2001
are the songs adhikaalai nilavae alangaara thimiLae pudhu raagaam nee paadivaa from ??? (MD IR) and the song iLa nenjae vaa thendral thaedi innum poi varalaam (from a prashanth, vinodhini movie; director Balu mahendra(?) MD IR; sung by KJY) based on same raaga??
sorry for asking same format questions...
- From: (@ 213.11.117.254)
on: Wed May 9 10:45:56 EDT 2001
Kupps: iLa nenjae vaa, I believe is in Suddha Dhanyasi (Uthayaravichandrika)... Don't know the other one.
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.222)
on: Wed May 9 11:53:22 EDT 2001
if I remember right I think the adhikaalai nilavae song is in Gowrimanohari or a janya of that raga...
- From: saketh@binghamton (@ 159.48.248.2)
on: Thu May 10 14:15:22 EDT 2001
What is the raaga of "Maniye Mani Kuyile... Maalayilam Kadhir Azhage"... from Karthik-Bharathiraja-IR-Ranjitha movie.
- From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170)
on: Thu May 10 15:31:42 EDT 2001
have anyone tried playing 'pAlirukkum pazhamirukkum pasi irukkAdhu'? the they notes flow in the pallavi is very interesting and it uses all sorts of notes and
obviously doesnt' fit into any particular raga.. very interesting..
- From: Vidhya (@ 206.216.1.3)
on: Thu May 10 18:48:12 EDT 2001
Saketh: "MaNiyae Manikkuyilae" - is Sindhu Bhairavi.
Haris : paalirukkum pazhamirukkum - sounds like Dwijaavanthi.
- From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2)
on: Fri May 11 03:34:22 EDT 2001
maniye manikkuyile is NOT in sindhubhairavi. It is in some other raga vidhya.
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.224)
on: Fri May 11 09:45:39 EDT 2001
Maniye Manikkuyile sounds like more like Natabhairavi or a vakra janya
of natabhairavi with notes of NB in it... it is difficult to classify the song under a vakra janya raaga of any mela unless it strictly
follows the vakra scale...
for example Sudhdha Desi is a vakra janya of natabhairavi ( S R G R M P D N S - S N D P M G R S) ... unless this song strictly follows the s r g r m pattern throughout it cannot be classified under this raga...
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.224)
on: Fri May 11 11:33:46 EDT 2001
with notes of NB = with all notes of NB
- From: arrfan (@ 203.197.176.188)
on: Fri May 11 12:59:20 EDT 2001
hello!
i know this is irrelevant here,but kindly respond to this-i came across this somewhere....
i'm a grrrrrrrrrreat ARR fan.But i read this disheartening thing:
'd like to know ur comments-only ARR fans to respond please!
list of songs copied:
1. "Chinna Chinna Aasai" - Based on Nusery Rhymes by Linda Seager(sweden)
The cassette is available in Chennai.
And the music score is no different from Jamaican Reggae. There 100 songs like this
in Jamaica.
(FYI - I am currently in Caribbean Island). ARR
Rustic Humming makes the difference in the song.
2. "Rukumani Rukumani" Humming lifetd from-The Profiler (English Rock band Group)
3."Pudhuthu Vellai Malai" - BEAT is a copy of Car Commericial (more than one).
4. "Tamila Tamila" - The Lead piece sounds like
one of the Bryan Adam song. I am not sure (HELP!). A similair piece comes as BGM
in Gentleman. The scene is when ARJUN's MAKE_UP clothes are shown in top of the hill.
5. "July matham vanthal" - Th Guitar piece is
Direct lift from Khaleed song Thilabee... Thilaybe..( AIBUM DiDi)
6. "Kaadhalikum pennin kaikal thotu.."(Kaadhalan)- A direct lift from IR song "Poovin
meethu theenai alli" from December Pookkal or January Pookkal. ARR made IR's violin
as a Humming....(famous)and altered the tune little bit with ARR flavour.
7. "Muqala.. Muqabula.." - Starts with For few dollars more orchestration and the
BELL sound of
Good Bad and Ugly. A tune and BEAT based on
IR's "Yeee.. Unnai thanney, Nee Entha ooru.. Enodu Aadu.." FILM:Kaadhal parusu. The
BEAT is almost same with ARR flavour.
Then song turns into typicall RD BURMAN mode and
stays there.After the end of vocal and when animation starts, there comes BEAT of
Samantha FOX(Album: Satisfaction), Then tranform directly to DR. Alban BEATS of Matha
O..Ya..Ae Oh.... and ends with it.
Somebody saying in some thread about Multiple Inheritance of DEVA. Wow! This song
is Excellent Example Mutilple Inheritance of ARR (GREAT!!)
8. "Ithu sugam.. sugam.."- vani Jairam, Film: Vandi chollai sinarasu.
Orchestration based on IR song "yemm theba thasavuraa..." Film: Ashwamedham (Telugu).ARR
never forgets to add his flavour.
9. "Putham Pudthu bhoomi" - Car commerical for Volkswagen
10. "Thenmerku paruva kattru" - BEAT and Squibble
sound from Dr. Alban's ONE LOVE.
11. "Kaduu.. pootta Kadu.." -Sung by BharathiRaja the start music is again from Dr.
Alban (ONE LOVE) rustic african sound.
12. "Palghatu machanuku pattuna..." from May matham. I heard this tune some where
couldn't find till now. Long standing mystery for me.
13. "Super Police.." (Teluge movie) BEAT directly lifted from Dr. Alban Matha O..Ya..Ae
Oh.... Here ARR didn't moderate as he did in muqala.. muqabula..
14. "Telephone manipol..." - INDIAN, The Second interlude (rustic fulte like) is
from ENIGMA.
15. "No problem.. " sung by ApacheIndian is directly lifted from Caribbean band SQUARE-ONE,
with as usual small changes.
16. "Yedu da..antha suriya mellam" - BEAT based
on BONEY M Album: Booonooonooous.
17. "Venilavay Venilavaee.." -(Minsara Kanuvu)
The Music, sound , Humming all based on Boney M song "The African Moon" Album: Booonooonoous.
It was first lifted by RD Burman. He already customized it for INDIAN audience(its
a Amitabh Film). So it was easy for ARR to improvise??. So it became "The INDIAN
moon" (Vennila, Chanda) Interesting Isn't it??.
Apart from all these ARR has Here and there is DR. Alban touch in kaadhal desam and
KennyG in Duet.
- From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2)
on: Fri May 11 13:27:13 EDT 2001
"Maniye Manikuyile" also reminds me of "aagaya vennilave" from arangetra velai in places..
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