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- From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12)
on: Tue Apr 24 13:22:41 EDT 2001
the best example for hamsanandhi is "om namaha " frm IT.
bye
bharath
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.245)
on: Tue Apr 24 13:26:08 EDT 2001
Bharath - that would be Hamsanadham :-)
saketh - vaa vaa anbe seems to be again natabhairavi based... mostly uses NB notes...
- From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.243)
on: Wed Apr 25 00:37:58 EDT 2001
are the songs envanilae varum anbae vaa(of thambikku yendha ooru) and dady dady oh my dady(of mouna geethangaL) based on same raaga? i suspect especially based on their chaaranams. if so (or) if not so what is/are the raaga(s) of these two songs...
- From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134)
on: Wed Apr 25 05:22:10 EDT 2001
also are the songs koondhalilae maagam kondu (sung by SPB, i think the MD is IR) and swaasamae swaasamae(KKKK? MD is ARR), set in same raaga? if so (or) if not so what is/are the raaga(s) of these two songs...
- From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.20)
on: Wed Apr 25 06:36:02 EDT 2001
Another excellent (and exhaustive) site to check carnatic base in film songs!
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/8424/carnatic/ragas.html
Sory if it has been posted earlier.
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.245)
on: Wed Apr 25 10:43:03 EDT 2001
Kupps - En vaazhvilae seems to be a mixture of ragas - it is very difficult to say that the song is composed in "a" particular raga... they have used Shankarabharanam, Gowri manohari/Dharmavathi, Karahapriya/Hemavathi notes... (uses the sudhdha and pradhdhi madhyama version - hence I listed the combination)
Swaasamae, as I mentioned earlier, uses Hameer kalyani and Behag prayogas predominantly...
Could not listen to Daddy Daddy at both Dhool and Swara.com... lemme know if there are other links for the song... :(
I would like to get the link for the other song you had asked for.. which movie is that song from? (Koondhalilae Mogam) :)
- From: saketh@binghamton (@ 159.48.248.2)
on: Wed Apr 25 11:28:59 EDT 2001
i donno if you guys have discussed this before...
what raaga is "valli valli ena vandhaaaaaaan... vadi velan thaaaaan... pulli vaithu pottaaaaan pudhu kolam thaaaaan"? (sung by IR)
- From: Isav (@ )
on: Wed Apr 25 11:58:44 EDT 2001
Kupps/IR: Koondhalilae Maegam Vandhu kudipugunthalo kavi elutha is in Bilahari.Swasame seems to be like that song to me after reading Kupps. Other Bilahari songs are "Maman veedu machu veedu"(Ellam inba mayam - Kamal film)."Sa Sa Sa Sa Ni... Nivedha"(film?)
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.245)
on: Wed Apr 25 13:47:09 EDT 2001
Isav - Sa sa sa ni dha sa ni paa ni dha maa dha paa ma ga nivedha seems to be more Shankarabharanam - I think there is a line in the song which rules out bilahari... pa pa dha ni sa ri ga sa ri...
I am not able to find the song: koondhalile megam...
but... swasame is definitely not in Bilahari... :)
- From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2)
on: Wed Apr 25 17:32:42 EDT 2001
Koondhalile Megam vandhu is Bilahari..Its from the movie Baala Nagamma sung by KJY and its hard to find the song on the net..
- From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 63.253.6.134)
on: Wed Apr 25 19:53:17 EDT 2001
Kupps, 'Daddy Daddy' and 'en vAzhvilE' have charanams starting with the same metre or santham and hence the supposed similarilty. 'en vAzhvilE' has notes of natabhairavi, keeravani, gowrimanohari and uses G3 in addition to G2 . 'Daddy..' is slightly similar but uses only G3 and no rishabham at all.
- From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.243)
on: Thu Apr 26 00:03:07 EDT 2001
IR, isav, vijay, sriram lakshman thanks for your clarification
- From: daniel (@ 203.106.139.25)
on: Fri Apr 27 02:59:08 EDT 2001
hello...!apa khabr di sana di sana dan kelurga baik..!
- From: baju (@ 203.116.61.132)
on: Fri Apr 27 04:46:45 EDT 2001
can anyone write back on What is ragam of
"sandhana thendralai'(from kandukondein square)
- From: Pradeep (@ 203.199.58.170)
on: Fri Apr 27 08:41:49 EDT 2001
Can anyone tell me which ragam is Nila Kagiratha
from the fim "Indira" based on.I think it is close to Hameer Kalyani
- From: Kannan (@ 209.185.189.241)
on: Fri Apr 27 09:19:42 EDT 2001
"Valli Valli ena vandhan vadivelan than" is set in Sivaranjani. Other songs in Sivaranjani are "Petthuedutthava than enna vithu vaddiyakattipputta" from velaikkaran, "Anba sumandhu sumandhu" from Ponnimani etc. Mostly IR has used this for sad occasions.
- From: musicurry (@ 129.24.244.224)
on: Fri Apr 27 22:16:06 EDT 2001
Can anyone tell me about the raaga(S) used in ragasiyamai from dum dum dum?
- From: Geetha (@ 213.11.117.254)
on: Sat Apr 28 09:17:57 EDT 2001
Ragasiyamai from Dum Dum Dum is in MALAYAMARUTHAM, a janya of Mayamalavagaula.
KR has given it a real 'sexy' feel in this song.
A Carnatic piece in this Raga is Papanasam Sivan's 'Paadhame Thunai Parama Shiva'. You can hear Sudha Ragunathan singing it.
- From: Venkatesh (@ 206.49.110.156)
on: Sun Apr 29 04:29:05 EDT 2001
I want to know the raga of the song Sadhakkavigal paadidum manadil from the film Metti. It sounds like both Arabhi and Suddha Saveri to me.
- From: Satish (@ 203.199.197.83)
on: Mon Apr 30 08:47:08 EDT 2001
Geetha - I think the carnatic piece of Papanasam Sivan's 'Paadhame Thunai Parama Shiva' is valaji. Please correct me if i am wrong.
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.211)
on: Mon Apr 30 11:29:58 EDT 2001
You are right Satish - Paadhame Thunai is in Valaj.. A popular carnatic piece in malayamaarudham would be Manasa Yetulo (Thyagarajar Krithi)...
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.211)
on: Mon Apr 30 11:39:06 EDT 2001
Venkatesh, could you post a link for the song? tnks
- From: haris (@ 148.87.1.171)
on: Mon Apr 30 13:40:25 EDT 2001
Geetha. malayamArutham is janya of chakravakam. What's the raga of the song 'thoongAdha kannenru onru' from ...?? sivaji/saradha starrer.. and songs from padagOtti. except, 'thottAl poo malarum' (S. Dhanyasi.)
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.211)
on: Mon Apr 30 13:45:34 EDT 2001
thats right - it is a janya of chakravaham :)
- From: musicurry (@ 129.24.244.224)
on: Mon Apr 30 19:22:05 EDT 2001
thanks for the info about "ragasiyamai"...
is it pure "malayamarutham".i thought it had a mix of more than 1 raagam?
- From: Geetha (@ 213.11.117.254)
on: Tue May 1 15:56:12 EDT 2001
Sorry Guys, totally right, the Dha and Ni are Chakravakham ones in Malayamarutham.
Yes, Paadhame Thunai is in Valaji, it's very close to Malayamarutham. It's another song I was thinking of.... Karpaga Manohara, which is also by Papanasam Sivan. It is beautifully sung by Sudha R in one of her first album releases.
In the meantime, I think 'Kanmani Nee Vara Kaathirundhen' by the Maestro is a really wonderful Malayamaruytham.
- From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201)
on: Tue May 1 16:49:53 EDT 2001
Hello,
What raagam is the song KJY's "Nee Pournami" based on?
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.244)
on: Tue May 1 17:38:35 EDT 2001
Swamiji - that is a beautiful song in Simmhendra Madhyamam .... KJY has done real justice to IR's excellent tune... :)
- From: haris (@ 148.87.1.171)
on: Tue May 1 18:25:37 EDT 2001
thenral vandhu theendum pOdhu ( avadharam) is in sankarabaranam right?
- From: Velaiyaththavan+gnaanasoonyam (@ 129.252.222.2)
on: Tue May 1 23:52:36 EDT 2001
It is in avadhaaram
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.211)
on: Wed May 2 11:52:55 EDT 2001
haris - is there a link on the net for this song??
- From: Isav (@ 203.199.220.246)
on: Wed May 2 12:25:10 EDT 2001
haris - Thoongatha kannindru onru is in Charukesi.
Thendral vandhu theendum bodhu - The answer 'Its in Avadharam' was a timely joke.I enjoyed a lot.Tnx to the poster who posted that.
I hav heard that it is in Jonpuri.
- From: haris (@ 148.87.1.171)
on: Wed May 2 12:56:55 EDT 2001
can somebody gimme the a/a for jonpuri? nevertheless i think 'thenral vandhu' is in s.baranam.
IR. links are in swara and dhool. but they dont' work.
any luck on padagotti songs? what about 'vellai pura onru'.
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.211)
on: Wed May 2 13:51:47 EDT 2001
I did not find that song in dhool haris - dhool site is working now... is the starting of the song itself thendral vandhu ??
Jonpuri is a Natabhairavi janya raga
Sa Ri2 Ma1 Pa Dha1 Ni2 Sa
Sa Ni2 Dha1 Pa Ma1 Ga2 Ri2 Sa
( Aasai mugam marandhu pochche is a popular song in Jonpuri - FYI)
- From: haris (@ 148.87.1.171)
on: Wed May 2 14:12:18 EDT 2001
what IR u havent' heard 'thenral vandhu' from avadhAram? are u sure?? actually i was talking about the links for 'thoongAdha kannenru'.
Isav. lemme tell u why i think 'thenral vandhu' cannot be jonpuri('cos of the use of g3). take the part 'thenral-vandhu-theendum-pOdhu-enna-vanna-mO'. 'n3 g3- r2 g3- s g3- r2 g3- s g3- r2 g3- n3'
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.211)
on: Wed May 2 14:15:37 EDT 2001
http://members.nbci.com/rgireesan/926473588/avath/avath1.ram
haris - it sounds like natabhairaviish... (between pallavi and first charanam in the interlude I heard ga3 and Ni3 once)
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.211)
on: Wed May 2 14:21:44 EDT 2001
haris :-) ok - I guess this is another instance of where you place the shatjam :) I placed the shatjam at the "la" of manasula and I heard natabhairavi :)
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.211)
on: Wed May 2 14:36:17 EDT 2001
haris - vellai pura onru from pudhukavidhai is in Kalyani (one usage of Ma1)
- From: Prabu Iyer (@ 63.144.116.253)
on: Wed May 2 17:51:44 EDT 2001
Guys
is "Ninai Charar adaindhen" in Bharathi is set
to Mayamalavagaula raga? I some how feel it
is so close to "Paarthu sirikuthu bomai, ingu
paaril nadikuthu penmai" song [i dont remember
movie name.]
Any clarification will help me..
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