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Unnikrishnan Vs Hariharan

Topic started by Puri (@ 202.54.33.208) on Sat Aug 22 04:00:12 EDT 1998.
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Hi guys,
Everybody compares IR with ARR or SPB with HH.I'am a fan of UnniK but I find Hariharan equally good.I would like to listen to your comments on this topic.Let us not make this a WWF match or a Slug Fest

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• From: E. Hari (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Thu Apr 29 14:12:51 EDT 1999
  
  chandy,
  
  Thirakadha kattrukulle is the great example for
  inconsistency in UK's voice, which I was mentioning earlier, and I did nt like it either.
  But in general I like UK voice, so far, I think, I am the lonely warrior here for his support ( only in films).
  I hear people have mixed opinions abt his carnatic performances, Most of my friends consider him very bad.
  
  
  e.hari
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ ss04.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Thu Apr 29 14:26:33 EDT 1999
  
  It's like comparing Deva and Sirpi :-)
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Thu Apr 29 14:27:06 EDT 1999
  
  Hari,
  
  I like UK's voice a lot, but his voice is not as versatile as SPB as far as TFM is concerned. IMO, His carnatic performances are good - I have a big collection of UK's songs and I have also heard him live a couple of times.
  
  I have heard mixed feedback about his songs in TFM. I didnt like him in meenamaa. That song was set to a very low pitch and he didnt sound very good. At high-pitches like thirakaadha kaatukuale, he doesnt sound very good too. I dont say that he cant touch high-pitches in his songs.. but if the song is set to a complete low pitch of high-pitch like the ones cited above, UK's voice doesnt suit such numbers.
  
  In ennavale adi ennavale, when he sings the charanams
  
  "kopurame unnai saithu kondu undhan koodhalail meen pidipen..
  vennilave unnai thoonga vaika undhan viraluku sodukedupaen,
  varudavarum poon kaatrai ellam konjam vadi katti annupi vaipen...."...
  
  His voice brings out the emotions sooo well... whenever i listen to this song, edho sugamana thendral vandu varudara madhiri oru feeling varum enaku.
  
  Theres also a general perception that UK's voice doesnt suit macho-kind-of-heroes, and that UK's voice lacks certain "gambeeram"! (of course, HH's voice has this gambeeram, thoda bit excess :) )
  
  
  chandy
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ ss04.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Thu Apr 29 14:28:22 EDT 1999
  
  ...and Anand (@ news.ntu.edu.sg) takes the cake for the "wrongest" post in the history of DF ! Boy ! how jumbled can you get with facts ?!!!
  
  Chandy, NOM to you....but couldn't resist commenting on "Anand(@ news.ntu.edu.sg)'s" post !
  
  
• From: hari (@ hud04a01.ml.com) on: Thu Apr 29 15:35:39 EDT 1999
  
  chandy,
  K, much better place to discuss.
  i gottu go now, but I will write later,
  
  hari
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp01.sprint.com) on: Thu Apr 29 18:16:06 EDT 1999
  
  Srinath,
  
  I totally agree with you ( I know it's scary, strange, but true!!). Certain rules have to be set before an attempt is made to compare UK with HH. First, on his worst day, SPB is far superior to these artists in playback singing. So, UK's and HH's name should not be mentioned even in the same paragraph as SPB's (which Anand sacrilegiously did). Comparison between HH and UK is an exercise in establishing mediocrity in playback singing TFM. Both have their fair share of songs which they have ruthlessly murdered, though I would blame UK more because he is from Chennai and should be more aware of Tamil Film Music than HH.
  
  
• From: srinivasan (@ mathlab03.csm.uc.edu) on: Thu Apr 29 21:16:42 EDT 1999
  
  HI to all,
  I totally agree with what Srinath says. SPB is matchless & No seconds thoughts about it. Coming to UK and HH, just look into the variety of songs they sing nowadays. HH has his own style of modulation (worth mentioning), has control over his voice, but is there life?!!!Note the songs we hear are not his private albums that do require an exhibition of his hindustani background. Will HH be able to give a punch to songs like 'Singari Sarakku', 'rambambam aarambam ', 'bumchiku bumchiku' etc..
  His tempo is generally the same like 'Konjanaal poru thalaiva'...I doubt if he would stand for a longer period. Coming to UK, a classical background doesnot mean that he is an excellent singer. No depth of voice, very surfacial, and a bit feminine. He has sung a few good numbers, but obviously I feel he can be taken over. Just hear the song 'Yetho ur paatu' sung by both UK and HH. HH stands better. Though his classical rendering is appreciable, is his voice 'Ghaneer'?!? Opinions differ, and U may be right.
  
  Signing off,
  Srinivasan
  
  
• From: Anand (@ peso.ntu.edu.sg) on: Fri Apr 30 07:38:12 EDT 1999
  
  Srinivasan and Raja G,
  
  I beg to differ on this often debated topic.SPB is a good singer , no doubt.He has sung a lot of film songs well, and dominated the scenefor long.And, the fact is that he has not learnt music, as he claims.TRue,....its a great thing to have achieved without having learnt music.
  
  But,
  HH is a much moe knowledgable, and versatile singer.He has FULL CONTROL over his voice which can span 3 full octaves and more.he is a seasoned artiste, and has a moving, soothing melodious voice.He employs a wider range of variations in his singing, uses a lot of creativity and modulations, making the song lively and enjoyable.
  He has alos sung songs of extreme types-koothu songs like Romeo Aatam Pottal, and Very Carnatic based songs with ease, and has come out succesfull.
  
  Listen to SPB sing those classical songs...I'm sorry to say that I have not been gifted enuff to appreciate them...They are all deplorable!...example : Shankarabharanam...!that one says it all!
  
  Another point about LIFe into a song-who said HH does not put "LIfe" into his singing...???I totally disagree....There is so much of involvement , and EMOTION in his voice.Its really worth mentioning!
  
  
  Definitely HH is a better singer, but SPB must also be given his due credit.
  
  Now,About Unnikrishnan.He is a very talented carnatic singer, and his musical abilities are getting better day by day.He has a very thin, and melodious voice,..and that does not make it femine for god's sake! He also has sung quite a few difficult songs which I bet SPB wud not have been to render as well.(u know it!)...(imagine SPB singing "Ennavaley, Ennavaley!"...!
  
  As for Unni vs SPB, I again prefer Unni for his effortless singing, and his golden voice...His voice is really clear, and soft!...
  
  I ofcourse like SPB for some of his songs and I feel he would have been the best suited for those type of songs...example Padaiappa song...it suits his voice.....but, He shud not try something different, what He does not know...(i mean the classical parts)...and spoil his name.
  
  Regards,
  Anand
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Fri Apr 30 07:57:22 EDT 1999
  
  HH does bring in emotions into play..no doubt...only whether they are appropriate is the question . For instance "Uyirae, uyirae", I felt, and I hope I am not being biased, sounded like a beggar seeking food in the midst of a seven day forced hunger strike. "I often used to feel the lyrics were
  "Vayirae, vayirae, ennai kollathae, vittu vidu"
  Such was the emotion evoked by the singer;-)))
  
  While that sounds strong, that sadly was the impression I got. To hear that HH is superior to SPB in versatility provokes me to share this feeling of mine with you all. I am no fan of SPB, infact no more than I am of rajaG;-)). Still, one has to give the devil its due. If versatility is the criterion which people want to pitch fork as the candidate for evaluation of superiority, I guess SPB takes the cake..and wholly at that with no little piece leftover.
  Now, the knowledgeable fans can take over..I am off..BB,BB;-))
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.159) on: Fri Apr 30 10:02:51 EDT 1999
  
  In TFM, SPB has been the most versatile singer so far; though I personally favour KJY more, that could partially be due to his great Malayalam works. But when you consider tfm alone, SPB is THE BEST and MOST VERSATILE.
  
  Running far behind will be other `manly' singers like TMS, CJ, IR. Then comes singers like DC,TLM,HH,MV. Who's this UK to talk about? If KJY or SPB has sung Ennavale, probably I would have liked it!! In fact, UM is much better!!! (All IMO, strictly as per TFM and not the classical field)
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.159) on: Fri Apr 30 10:06:12 EDT 1999
  
  First of all one has to pronounce the song well!
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Fri Apr 30 10:30:36 EDT 1999
  
  ethukkappa SPB-ya izhukkareenga ithula? athukku thaan SPB vs. HH thread irukkE? Please stick to UK vs HH in this thread. (round robin mudinja appuram final vechchukkalaam. ;-).
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ ss06.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Fri Apr 30 10:44:24 EDT 1999
  
  Anand:
  I planned to write an elaborate response to your mail. But now, I am pretty sure that you are kidding ! HH emoting better than SPB ?!!! C'mon man, not even a HH fanatic would say that! Even without quoting all the negative points of HH's singing, SPB tops him in every dept. Like RajaG said, even on his worst day SPB is better than these guys ! I don't want to dwell on this subject any longer for 2 reasons - one is as Ravi said, this is not the right thread. But more importantly, there are simply too many reasons why SPB is so far ahead of the rest of the field. !
  
  Raj:
  Couldn't agree more with you on Uyirae ! In fact, HH was one more reason that I started hating ARR's insipid numbers !
  
  
• From: hari (@ hud04a01.ml.com) on: Fri Apr 30 10:52:48 EDT 1999
  
  I beg to differ here. UK may have some limitations in his voice. But his singing style is purely his own. He never indulges in unnecessary allatal, kullukal, while singing, which, sounds refreshingly differnt from SPB and others.
  I loved the song, Then merku parva kattru,
  specially, at the end of second saranam, the lines
  'vanavillin thundondru mannil vandhu yarukkum
  sollamal pennandhe', he brought enough emotions, with out doing any of the uh-hah stuff, SPB and others bring in all the time.
  Puyal, the latest offering from the duo phil-jerry, UK marvelled in two songs. I strongly feel that songs like 'veesum kattruku', 'ajooba','en pennandru pirandai', were better off
  with UK than HH or SPB. Even UK pronouncing is better than HH, not if as good as SPB. SPB is great singer, but he does have his own share of
  bloopers, as does UK and HH.
  It seems in this forum, either you will be either considered as a god or just nothing, but not in-between. IMO, I wish, I can replace some of
  90s SPB songs with UK or HH, as it may get some life.
  :-)
  
  hari
  
  
• From: Mr.Kuzapam (@ 206.139.13.152) on: Fri Apr 30 10:53:00 EDT 1999
  
  Anand :
  "HH is a much more knowledgable, and versatile singer"
  Kunakudi is much more knowledgable than Lalgudi Jayaraman,
  V.S.Narashiman has completed more classical theories than IR,
  But still you see Lalgudi is a better violinist than KV, IR is the greatest
  
  Greatness of SPB lies in the fact that he is not a tranined carnatic musician like KJY, or HH or UK etc. Regarding your claim on Shakarabaranam -- can you justify your claim, frankly spb does better than KJY in Sidhubharavi.
  
  Unni Krishanan -- Loves to scream looses the feel of the songs, unable to pronounce -- pronounces all the words in Classical Style, eg:hayra Rabba in Pure agmark carnatic style of pronounciation.
  
  HH -- Long to way to go to come near SPB, he is singing because SPB is not around,
  
  Spb is not accepting any new songs currently, (Srikant told me this when I spoke to him last)
  He sings only if he is requested by some one he knows well( eg: IR, Rajni)
  
  

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