Topic started by Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on Mon Aug 5 07:31:53 EDT 2002.
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I am great fan of both IR, ARR, but with most of ARR's albums, you will have to listen to it over & over again to like the tune, but this was (not now) not the case with IR songs.
take Baba for instance, I never liked it initialy but I started to like the songs, once I have listen to it several times?
Why ARR's music does NOT make an impact on the very first instance of listening?
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- From: MilkMan_Automan (@ 129.49.81.18)
on: Mon Aug 5 21:12:22 EDT 2002
hello jj...we are even desperate rajini fans....okvaa?
- From: JJ (@ 65.69.59.154)
on: Mon Aug 5 22:41:37 EDT 2002
Well i can see some interesting comments from IR fans and desperate comments from ARR fans!!
- From: JJ (@ 65.69.59.154)
on: Mon Aug 5 22:43:54 EDT 2002
BABA SONGS SUCKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
- From: Are Yaar (@ 203.115.31.67)
on: Tue Aug 6 03:44:46 EDT 2002
http://www.telugucinema.com/audio/reviews/baba.html
Baaba
Director: Suresh Krishna
Music Director: AR Rahman
Lead Stars: Rajini Kanth, Manisha Koirala, Ramya Krishna
Playback: SPB, Karthik, Srinivas, Sadhana Sargam, Shankar Mahadeva, Sujatha, Udit Narayan
Lyric: Siva Ganesh
Rating: 4 / 5 (Very Good)
Review By Kiran
"Known is a drop, unknown is a ocean", says the tag line of Rajinikanth'a Baba. This is an indubitable axiom from the Hindu philosophy represents man's eternal quest to know the unknown. Human Being is the only entity within all of God's creation which is genetically capable of interpreting and comprehending the abstract form of God. And yet, there are endless phenomena in this universe that are beyond the human knowledge. Though science advanced to sub nuclear 'Neutrinos' levels, there are several mysteries that are unsolved. As a renowned 'yogi' says, 'although this world is vast to us, it is only a speck in the universe. It is impossible in this life to acquire all the wisdom that human beings have gathered from time to time in the school of life. So long as you live on earth, so long as the power in the eye gives you strength to see the stars, so long as you enjoy God's sunshine and breathe His air, so long will you yearn for knowledge'. Spirituality begins where science ends.
Rajinikanth seems to have acquired a powerful spiritual dimension to his personality. He hasn't acted in a single film after the block bluster 'Narasimha'. The idea of the film Baba seems to have sprouted from his visit to Satchitaananda Ashram in Virginia. According to Rajinikanth, the film aims to touch the spiritual instincts of people, highlighting the Vedic heritage and explaining Hindu philosophy in an entertaining way. The film is woven around a disciple of a Himalayan yogi as the central character. The yogi is none other than Mahavatar Baba, who is said to be 2000 years old. He taught the techniques of Kriya Yoga to Lahiri Mahasaya , which were passed on to Guru Yukteswar and then to his disciple Paramahamsa Yogananda (His 'Autobiography of a yogi' happens to be a spiritual classic and the highest sold book in that genre in US for decades now). Hindu philosophy in itself is a huge ocean of spiritual enlightenment. It preaches the precise way of leading life. Due to several distractions and distracters in past several centuries, people are becoming unaware of the might of Hindu Dharma and Vedic literature. Most of them often misinterpret it. An attempt to explain Hindu philosophy through the most popular media - cinema, is highly laudable. Rajinikanth should be appreciated for having taken step in this path, an probably his counter-parts can take a cue from this.
Comingto the audio of the movie, Rahman score for Rajini's earlier film Padayappa was unimpressive and he had to face the wrath of his fans. Will he face the same this time? Well, that is solely dependent on what Rajini's fans are expecting from it, but for this reviewer, this album sounds to be a good mix of mass and class tunes leaning more on towards the class audience. As with other ARR albums, these songs also take time to grow on you. Nevertheless, there are couple of songs that impress you in the first hearing itself. The lyric is highly inspirational and more importantly, it gives little or no importance to love, an word without which most of the tollywood lyricists may cease to exist. After listening to repetitive love songs, teasing songs and folk songs churned out by a few young tollywood music directors, Baba songs are like a whiff of fresh air.
Shakthi nivvu (by Karthick)
A excellent composition in recent times and this is surely one of ARR's best ever. This song is a prayer to Godess Kali known for 'dusta sikshana , sista rakshana'. Baba prays Kali matha to give him the power to fight the evil. After a vigarous start with shakthi nivvu, the song takes a smoother turn with the lyric ' thallivi neeve, thandri neeve, pranavamu neeve, praanamu neeve, renuvu neeve, sthaanuvu neeve'. and then quickly bounces back to the heavy percussion lead, shakthi nivvu. The guitar interludes and the chords are perfect. Great piece of work by Vairamuthu the lyric writer and Siva Ganesh, the translator. The second stanza seems to have some political references.
Baba Theme (by Srinivas):
The songs starts with the chanting, Ekamevaadwithiyam (There is only one entity, that is Paramaathma and there is no other entity) rendered by Srinivasan in a base voice. This is the opening song of the album and creates a perfect pleasant mood with Sanskrit chants and temple bells. Nevertheless, one can notice Rahaman lifting a score from "The Untouchables" (by Ennio Morricone) in the beginning of the song.
Maya Maya(by Udit Narayan, Sujatha)
Excellent lyric by Vairamuthu. SivaGanesh translated it into telugu without out tampering the original meaning. With a philosophic touch, the lyric says everything is a Maaya and one should lead the life as 'taamaraku meeda neeti bottu'. The pallavi is very catchy and the charanam also matches it well. The percussions are racy. Sujatha joins Udit in the later half of the song and lifts the song further. The flute interludes are beautiful. One can see ARR maintaining the same mood through out the song including the interludes. The only negative point of this song is Udit Narayan. It would have been a great song but for Udit Narayan's singing. You will need to pay more attention to his voice understand what the words actually mean. He pronounces 'Undi lenattu gaa' as 'Undi lenaddu gaa'.
Baba Neeku mokkutha (by SPB and Sadhana Sargam):
This is probably the only romantic duet in the whole album. The beat is very rhythmic, and the bass electric guitar sound is the most alluring part of this song. The first interlude with flute and trumpets is okay. SPB sings ARR song after long time. For some reason, Sadhana Sargam sounds like Swarnalatha. The charanam is composed in carnatic style.
Raajyamaa (by Jayachandran):
Another philosophic song, probably a background song describing the happenings in Baba's life. The song describes how a atheist changed into a theist. The tune reflects a sad mood , the BGM and interludes maintain the mood of the song. Though the song might fit well with the situation in the film, it is not on par with the rest of the album.
Tippu Tippu (by Shankar Mahadevan)
Even though the tune is not very great, the the lyric once again is interesting. It mixes mass words like 'Tippu sindari' with the philosophic description of three stages of life 'balyam, yavvanam, vardhakyam'. The composition has the typical Punjabi folk touch to it. The tune could have been better. Shankar mahadevan sings with gusto. The interludes do not impress much.
Baba album is packed with Rajni's ideology. The whole album has more of a class feel to it and one has to see how Rajini's fans receive it. More importantly it doesn't have the typical self introduction (read it as self boasting) mass number quintessential in all Rajinikanth movies, which is a welcome relief. AR Rahman made a laudable attempt to transform Rajni’s usual loud and jingoistic style into a philosophical and insightful note. This album may not go well with the masses, but those who have good ear to music will love some of the songs.
- From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29)
on: Tue Aug 6 04:40:16 EDT 2002
Raghu:
One possible reason is 'cos ARR uses fairly radical tune formations, sometime completely changing the usual charam-pallavi patterns. IR did it too but I think he didnt do it as often as ARR.
I remember I hated the songs of Minsara Kanavu initialy and went on to love them. And no I'm not cheating myself by saying I like them...I dont think anybody would want to cheat himself in the public consciously. Its just that you understand the flow of the song better once you listen to it away from the initial hype and hoopla when listening that album was more of a crowd-driven necessity.
There are people in this forum who said they didnt like IR's Ivan and some came back after a few weeks to defend Ivan as really good. Are they cheating themselves? Heck no!
Music is extremely subjective and if you can find one person liking Baba, I can find 2 who hate it. People who like it will continue to defend it no matter what and vice versa. So its best to put forth your positive comments to those who like it and not try to convert somebody who hates it. There's little point in that as you might have witnessed in the ongoing battle of wits between JJ and Kum-Laden in the Baba review (!!!!) thread! Its crossed the all caps stage and reaching all new levels previously unseen in TFM page!
- From: Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226)
on: Tue Aug 6 04:54:38 EDT 2002
Karthik S;
>>One possible reason is 'cos ARR uses fairly radical tune formations, sometime completely changing the usual charam-pallavi patterns. IR did it too but I think he didnt do it as often as ARR.
<<
possibly, but many of us never had this problem when we were listening to late IR/MSV/KVM music, it was either u like @ first intsance or never, but with ARR, it is totally different, the song u have never liked b4, u begin to love it after a while, perhaps it is human nature to get used to some thing, it is abit like when u c a girl who may not pretty @ all @ first sight, but once u get used to looking @ her, eventually u will begin to like something about her look, hehe
enna sarithana :))
- From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29)
on: Tue Aug 6 05:25:05 EDT 2002
Absolutely right Raghu. Good example. But frankly I cannot pin point one single reason for this factor in ARR's music! I also used to think on these lines. When I was school IR was the numero uno composer and we used to look forward to his big scores...there were dozens of them week after week anyway! Then our only outlet was cassettes and that we used to buy them in moderation after listening to the same songs over radio...I used to wait for a new songs program in Radio Ceylon in the evenings, forgot its name something like 'Pom maalai pozhuthu'...I used to sample the music there first and then if I like just 3 songs out of 6 I used to get those 3 alone recorded and nto buy the cassette. These days I think the songs are overexposed to the hilt. You have online versions, you have people buying the whole cassette and hating 3 out of 6 songs and complaining that the whole tape isnt worth the price and so on.
This cannot be a very appropriate reason but as I said I can never understand why it happens every time with ARR's numbers. Happens every time...I hate the songs the first 3 times and complain the living daylights out of my family and friends about it. Then the 4th time I hear I actually start making sense of what ARR has actually conceived and start loving that number! Wierd!
- From: G (@ 129.49.80.204)
on: Tue Aug 6 05:26:40 EDT 2002
Vetti Pasangala...poi avan avan velaiya paarungada....vera velaiye illaya ungalukku?
pongada...pozhaikkara velaiya paarunga....rajini, arr-a naalaikku vandhu nammalakku soru podaporaanga.....
neenga ippadi irundha...ini aandavanaalaiyum ungala kaapatha mudiyaadhu
Vetti Pasangala...poi avan avan velaiya paarungada....vera velaiye illaya ungalukku?
pongada...pozhaikkara velaiya paarunga....rajini, arr-a naalaikku vandhu nammalakku soru podaporaanga.....
neenga ippadi irundha...ini aandavanaalaiyum ungala kaapatha mudiyaadhu
Vetti Pasangala...poi avan avan velaiya paarungada....vera velaiye illaya ungalukku?
pongada...pozhaikkara velaiya paarunga....rajini, arr-a naalaikku vandhu nammalakku soru podaporaanga.....
neenga ippadi irundha...ini aandavanaalaiyum ungala kaapatha mudiyaadhu
Vetti Pasangala...poi avan avan velaiya paarungada....vera velaiye illaya ungalukku?
pongada...pozhaikkara velaiya paarunga....rajini, arr-a naalaikku vandhu nammalakku soru podaporaanga.....
neenga ippadi irundha...ini aandavanaalaiyum ungala kaapatha mudiyaadhu
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