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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

1.Vedha:i know he always go for a hindi tune in his films(mostly for Modern theatres).No alterations! he just copy a full hindi song !

best examble:Manam ennum medai mele(Gil tho ye kulu yahag)

2.MSV: i hear that(from Sujatha's book"Neerkumiligal") "thulluvatho elamai" was a song copied from english to almost all famous indian langages.Is there any other songs MSV copied?

3.Illayaraja:Even the GOD of MUSIC Raja sir did some thing like this.He just used that "I love you"style from BOneyM Sunny for "darling darling"in priya.I have heard a totally same song like "Kanavu kanum valkkai yavum" in Hindi also.(i forgot the film).

and i dont know who is the MD for the song"ehu pal vadiyum mugam! ethai parpathu than sugam".But i heard the same song in an english film.

4.ARR : i was told from my friends that he did copying intelligently.drum beats and some music styels from cassettes like "enigma,ace of base".And the humming before the song "thillana thillana" is a 100%copy from the film"the island of Dr.Mozeru".

5.SA Rajkumar : a lot of help from hindi! best example "mallikai puve malligai puve parthaya" from "didi tera thevaru thevana"

5.DEVA:hee..hee..the master.(better we see how many songs he did on his own instead of seeing how many songs he copied!)

like wise there is a lot of songs are copied from Tamil to Hindi also..

Now its your turn friends....

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• From: S (@ wwwgate1.motorola.com) on: Tue May 23 11:50:20 EDT 2000
  
  bug,
  
  It was bcos of balumahendra's insistence that Raja included that song and the same goes with boney M's song from priya (darling, darling ). this was told by SPB in an interview when the guy asked him every music director copies, even Raja has copied and quoted the latter for which SPB told the above quoted reason. It was in a kumudam.
  This is the millionth time I'm telling this and ppl come back with the same claim all the time (sigh ) :-(
  
  
• From: Madhan (@ 202.41.117.3) on: Tue May 23 12:05:14 EDT 2000
  
  Shankar, thanks for that input - naanum solli solli salachhuppoyittaen.
  DIGRESSION : BTW, did you get my e-mail ? are you free between May 27th to June, 3rd ?
  
  
• From: ! (@ goliath5.primary-server.net) on: Tue May 23 13:06:57 EDT 2000
  
  Iyya S and Madhan,
  I am new this to forum.If i had followed the whole discussion from day 1 when newtfmpage was started, maybe i would have come to know about this news.
  
  Theriyaathanama kettuten.
  :-)
  
  Anyway thanks for the reply.
  
  !
  
• From: bug (@ goliath5.primary-server.net) on: Tue May 23 13:08:01 EDT 2000
  
  ayyoo sorry for the mishap in fonts!
  
  
  
  
• From: bug (@ goliath5.primary-server.net) on: Tue May 23 13:08:18 EDT 2000
  
  ayyoo sorry for the mishap in fonts!
  
  
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.28.227) on: Tue May 23 14:37:26 EDT 2000
  
  what is the source of 'endha poovilum vaasam undu". was it mozart/dvorak or someone else?
  
  
• From: Krishnamurthy (@ esclassau.ceatlabs.okstate.edu) on: Tue May 23 18:45:26 EDT 2000
  
  Very-very slightly sounds like Spring Mov from Antonio Vivaldi's Four Seasons. It may be an inspiration - Definitely not a copy.
  
  
• From: Guru (@ 169.144.16.90) on: Tue May 23 19:50:52 EDT 2000
  
  Vijay,
  
  The actual source for "Endha poovilum vaasam Undu" if from a Spanish guitarist by name, Antonio Ruiz Pipo. I have that CD with me and that starting piece is a 100% lift, though Raaja develops the song on his own, after the starting piece.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.123) on: Tue May 23 20:17:37 EDT 2000
  
  Guru,
  the tamil song actually does'nt have that much of a start. just 2 notes played continuously 4 times in guitar and then by the violins. Could the resemblance be just a coincidence?
  
  
• From: S (@ wwwgate2.motorola.com) on: Wed May 24 01:26:41 EDT 2000
  
  Madan,
  In fact I replied to ur mail immediately and said I'm free....
  
  
• From: ! (@ goliath5.primary-server.net) on: Mon May 29 12:47:35 EDT 2000
  
  folks,
  Ottakathai katikko....song is a lift from a 60-70's old malayalam song which starts like this...
  "kuyilunnu pidichu......"
  
  Unfortunately i don't have the movie name nor the song clip to substantiate my claim.
  
  hope one of the malayala song rasigarargal like me can let me know the movie name.
  
  
  Bug
  
  
• From: (@ goliath5.primary-server.net) on: Mon May 29 12:49:15 EDT 2000
  
  ayyoo....why is this happening to me?
  
  sorry folks for the error.
  
  newtfmpage admin.....manikka.
  
  
  
  
• From: Bug (@ goliath5.primary-server.net) on: Mon May 29 12:53:40 EDT 2000
  
  folks,
  
  Ottakathai katikko song...is a lift from 60-70's old malayalam song which starts like this...
  
  "Kuiylunnu pidichu....."
  
  unfortunately i don't have the movie name nor the song clip to substantiate my claim.
  
  hope one of the malayala song rasigarargal can let me know the movie name.
  
  i think with my earlier posting....i would have drawn enough attention.
  
  i sincerely apologize for messing up the fonts.
  
  Bug
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Mon May 29 13:39:54 EDT 2000
  
  Bug:
  
  Instead of posting in various colors, please use the default settings. This will avoid some embarassment for you. Every regular DFer looks into almost all the postings (irrespective of the its html makeup) though the intensity of perusal may differ.
  
  regards
  
  MS
  
  
• From: Mukund (@ nycma130-0532.splitrock.net) on: Mon May 29 21:37:55 EDT 2000
  
  Talking about copy, Deva has blatantly copied a popular Michal Jackson tune from 'Dangerous' in Kushi!
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.203) on: Wed May 31 05:25:21 EDT 2000
  
  `sorgathin vAsal ingE' (SPB-VJ song from some remake film, I think by Devar films) by S-G is a intentional copy of MJ's Billie Jean. (Including the sounds that create the blues feeing)..Can someone help the panel with the samples?
  
  There's a doubt, however, that Bappi Lahiri was the original stealer who passed on the shame also to TF!
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.162) on: Thu Jun 1 01:23:55 EDT 2000
  
  enna enna vArthaikalO, chinna vizhippArvaiyilE (a PS stunner) is dangerously close to `By the rivers of Babylon' (BoneyM)...according to my hearing perception:-)
  
  Since enna enna predates the west indian number, that too from an era of limited intercommunication inhibiting such exports, one explaination is both had a common ancestor (say a classical movement of a WCM guru)...
  
  There's another explaination though (not serious), that is the cricket route (without involvement of bookies, ofcourse)... say Kumar or Venkat played the PS number to Andy Roberts who carried with him to the Jamaican band:-)
  
  
• From: sk (@ boo.ucar.edu) on: Thu Jun 1 06:11:06 EDT 2000
  
  Eden:
  
  I got very curious after your posting and wanted
  to hear 'By the rivers of Babylon'. Altavista
  gave me this link..
  
  http://www.wizz.net/RealG2Wzrd/BoneyM-ByTheRivers.html
  
  Is this the song you are referring to? I don't
  see much similarity between the songs.. may be
  I should listen to the song a few more times.
  
  
• From: sk (@ harvest.ucar.edu) on: Thu Jun 1 06:20:06 EDT 2000
  
  Eden:
  
  Have you heard a song from a Hindi movie called
  Julie, which goes as.. My heart is beating, keeps
  on repeating. 'By the rivers of Babylon' comes
  a bit close to that song!
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Thu Jun 1 12:53:26 EDT 2000
  
  eden:
  
  "ulagam engum orE mozi" - the starting line is the same as "By the rivers of babylon". But it came much before the Boney - m hit. SO does it imply something ? :-)
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.171) on: Fri Jun 2 01:46:12 EDT 2000
  
  MS!
  probably the Venkat to Holding route?:-))
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Sun Jun 4 23:32:13 EDT 2000
  
  bb,rajaG,
  what happened to the proposed site? ambovaa??
  
  
• From: MS (@ ) on: Sun Jun 11 19:52:02 EDT 2000
  
  Please listen to this song from "Chaithanya" by IR:
  
  http://www.padmalekha.com/NerinaHera/Songs/Telugu/Chaitanya/PaapaEed.ram
  
  the song has strong resemblances to "papa kehthE hein". Can some body clarify as to who copied from whom ?
  
  
• From: gundu (@ l-coe012.win.icaen.uiowa.edu) on: Mon Jun 12 01:13:04 EDT 2000
  
  Hey MS,
  
  r u referring to aamir khan's "papa kehthe hain"? if yes, some how I don't find any resemblance. :) chaitanya came after QSQT .. but imagine ila ... getting inspired from anand milind?!! :) dayaaaaaaaaaaaa ...
  
  anyways, hope u r referring to some other thing .. that movie "papa kehthe hain" that bhagyaraj directed??
  
  just wondering ..
  
  regards ,,
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Mon Jun 12 10:47:40 EDT 2000
  
  gundu:
  
  The first line of the pallavi of IR song is the same as the first line of the sharanam of aamir khan's song. the chord progression is very much similar.
  
  
• From: gundu (@ dhcp80fff2b0.dynamic.uiowa.edu) on: Mon Jun 12 16:02:35 EDT 2000
  
  Hi MS,
  
  I agree ..sounds similar .. I just stopped at the pallavi .. dint go further // .maybe a mnental block about IR .. :)
  
  BTW, me not a tamilian .. just for info.
  
  
• From: e.hari (@ webproxy05qfe0.sbi.com) on: Tue Jun 13 12:45:36 EDT 2000
  
  MS,
  papa kahethe hain,the popular starting music is copied from the moody blues classic 'Ride my See-Saw'.
  
  e.hari
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ ws55.telsoft.net) on: Tue Jun 13 13:19:12 EDT 2000
  
  Was listening to some megam karukkudhu song from 'kushi'(Md-Deva). He has beautifully blended the pallavi of 'dil deewana' and charnam of'kabhootar jaa jaa'(both from Maine pyaar kiya)
  
  
  What an unique way of copying:))
  
  
• From: Swami (@ wp3.ericy.com) on: Tue Jun 13 15:11:30 EDT 2000
  
  Been to "Kushi" last week in Dallas. Usually its the movie that irks and irritates me (if its not good). But this time more than the movie it was Deva & Co. Does that person has any shame at all? How can he ridicuously copy like this? I was totally blown when a song started with MJ's "Dangerous" piece. Man hell with him and the directors who want such music in their movies. Long live creativity (soon to be forgotten)!!
  
  
• From: kk (@ fw-ext.ascend.com) on: Wed Jun 14 18:09:05 EDT 2000
  
  Swami,
  esp. when you happen to listen to those songs
  with other state/nation guys. Its realy embaressing.
  
  

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