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bollywood vs kollywood!!!

Topic started by shwetha (@ 219.65.96.58) on Wed Jan 1 23:26:33 EST 2003.
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I feel the Hindi audience, these days, is totally tasteless...seeing the kind of movies made in bollywood! They seem so unbelievably idiotic. And the music...even worse!!! Even lagaan and devdas, i feel were not as great as they claimed they were. Definitely not Oscar caliber :O When Lagaan was nominated for Oscar... we had pop-ups on MSN saying "Ask Spielerg to watch Lagaan"!!!! I mean idhellam konjam over-aa therialay??!! All the Hindi movies ever have is standard-aa one family bzness and a wedding and a holiday some place like NZ, Swiss et al. Tamil movies are far far better in content and music and everything. What do u say?

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• From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.16) on: Mon Feb 16 07:44:41 EST 2004
  
  ssvn,
  Well said. If all people followed this, things would be great.
  But on a lighter note, without these, newtfmpage wouldn't be as interesting as it is! ;-)
  
  
• From: jacky (@ 61.1.200.247) on: Mon Feb 16 10:03:22 EST 2004
  
  ferrari,
  indeed i feel its a waste of time replying anything to RS.
  Now that he's made it clear that he wants to use Tamil culture and so many things as a facemask to bash ARR, Let him crow for anyone he loves, i won't care.
  
  
• From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13) on: Tue Feb 17 05:46:03 EST 2004
  
  Good. Rendu kai thattina dhaane osai? Just dont respond to people who are hell bent on bashing. Just enjoy your music and the healthy posts which are giving info on something interesting.
  
  
• From: Bollywood music sucks (@ 68.161.199.252) on: Tue Feb 17 08:04:59 EST 2004
  
  I can't comment on Bollywood films. I am not as much a desi film fan as most films suck IMO. I like desi music. Bollywood sucks with regards to music. The last good and original bollywood music directors had retired by the end of 60s. Starting from RD Burman till every one of them excluding Rahman is a big thief. I am not AR Rahman fan. But, he is better than any one else since 70 with regards to originality. Rahman is a TFM's gift to Bollywood. Bollywood may have better larger fan base and talent base. But truth of the matter is they have not produced one good music director since 1970. Look at the number of musical hits of RD Burman that are listed in i2fs. Lesser said the better about Nadeem-Shravan, Jatin Lalit and Bappi. That is a such a pathetic bunch. TFM has produced Raja, Rahman since 1970. Besides Vidyasagar despite odd copied songs(which I think is deplorable) has churned out more original music than anyone else there. I am not commenting anything with regards to tamil films vs hindi films. Even there I think more tamil films are remade into hindi than vice versa. Not that it matters as most of the films suck anyways.
  
  
• From: Bollywood music sucks (@ 68.161.199.252) on: Tue Feb 17 08:18:46 EST 2004
  
  Mumbai Ramki,
  I am not questioning the quality of pre 70s Hindi film songs. But kindly leave out RD Burman the cancer. He started large scale stealing and becoming #1. Previously those who stole were not #1 at least. They were never considered talented. Many of RDB's musical hits are tainted by copying. It isn't as if TFM was short of talent prior to 1970s. It is not single MSV as you are presenting the case. MSV, KVM, G.Ramanathan, Papanasam Sivan were quite talented. MSV alone scored for as many films as SD Burman, Madan Mohan, OP Nayyar, Naushad and Shankar Jaikishan put together. These 5 were great MDs of Hindi in the past. Salil was more a bengali music director than a bollywood music director. He scored about as many films in Malayalam as in Hindi. Quite a few hindi songs he recycled from Bengali. Other than SD Burman, Madan Mohan, OP Nayyar, Naushad and Shankar Jaikishan others in HFM were thieves.
  
  
• From: Bollywood music sucks (@ 68.161.199.252) on: Tue Feb 17 08:26:40 EST 2004
  
  Ferrari said: "Tamil Movies are targetted at tamilians"
  
  While it is true that tam films target only tams, it is also true that bollywood movies are targetted towards people living in a few cities. It is impossible to make a film based on classical musician/dancer or a folk artist or some such in bollywood. Sankarabharanam in Hindi flopped because, major chunk urban audience in many of the cities of the North don't appreciate classical music. I have a lot of respect for Hindustani classical music. But, it is true that city audience there don't give a darn for Hindustani music. They try go for the in thing. For the record, I do think most Tam films suck as much.
  
  
• From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13) on: Tue Feb 17 08:50:59 EST 2004
  
  There is a basic thing you need to note.
  1. Hindi music caters to all over india like gujarat,maharashtra etc, which have their own traditional music as well.
  2. They have something called ghazal as well which most people listen.
  3. They have lots of variety. I am not saying that tamil music doesnt variety. Most tamilians listen to just movie songs or classical music.
  Thats all. No one makes conscious effort to listen to naatupura paatu etc.
  My point is that, you cannot compare both the styles.
  Can you compare sachin tendulkar and narayanamurthy?
  Can you compare Paravai muniamma and Pak nuke scientist?
  Can you compare Hindu N Ram with saddam hussein?
  
  Stop the crap of comparing irrelevant things
  
  
• From: r (@ 202.156.2.115) on: Tue Feb 17 09:18:18 EST 2004
  
  Ferrari,
  
  We are not comparing Hindi dialogues with Tamil lyrics. WE are comparing songs with songs and I guess that is ok
  
  
• From: elnx (@ 203.197.138.167) on: Tue Feb 17 09:53:24 EST 2004
  
  of course bollywood movies have a wide market (pak,bangladesh,some even in uk) and so they have to be made to satisfy atleast the urban people there..tamil films(songs) are targetted to southindia-dubbed in other states,songs that are huge hits here -u can trace the inspiration for almost every song
  except those by IR in early times-no,i am not his fan!!
  
  its not apt comparing bw and kw
  
  
• From: Bollywood music sucks (@ 68.161.199.252) on: Tue Feb 17 18:44:16 EST 2004
  
  "There is a basic thing you need to note. "
  We will see.
  
  
  "1. Hindi music caters to all over india like gujarat,maharashtra etc, which have their own traditional music as well. "
  
  It caters to a wider audience than Tamil film music in India. But, Tamil film songs cater a large audience too. Besides Tamil nadu, Singapore, Malaysia etc. But Hindi films do cater more people in India.
  
  " 2. They have something called ghazal as well which most people listen. "
  
  Not in modern films. Modern film songs are out and out copied songs from east & west. Barring Rahman, there is not a single original composer there.
  
  
  "3. They have lots of variety. I am not saying that tamil music doesnt variety. Most tamilians listen to just movie songs or classical music.
  Thats all. No one makes conscious effort to listen to naatupura paatu etc. "
  
  We are talking about filmy music here. Filmy music in Hindi films lack variety. Only copying.
  As far as classical music goes, it is fading out in cities in North. Chennai is a home for classical music. You will find more tamilians appreciating Hindustani music or western classical than North Indians appreciating carnatic or western classical. Can you think of one other city in India where you have such an elaborate annual music festival?
  
  
  " Can you compare sachin tendulkar and narayanamurthy? "
  
  You cannot compare the two alright. But, the two cases are different. Your analogy sucks. Try something better.
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 24.1.109.101) on: Tue Feb 17 22:13:14 EST 2004
  
  The name 'bollywood vs kollywood' itself reeks of an inferior copycat product of Hollywood, so why fight over which is the better of the two?!!! Unless one wants to suggest that Tamil and Hindi movies are cheap imitations of Hollywood movies stop calling them Bollywood and Kollywood. Since Tamil movies are made in Kodambakkam and not in any any fictional Kollywood, please stick to that name or just call it Tamil movies. That's my 2 paisa's worth of rant!
  
  
• From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13) on: Tue Feb 17 23:47:17 EST 2004
  
  1.It caters to a wider audience than Tamil film music in India. But, Tamil film songs cater a large audience too. Besides Tamil nadu, Singapore, Malaysia etc. But Hindi films do cater more people in India.
  My dear friend. Poonai kanna moodinal boologam irundadhu. You are forgetting the huge audience in middle east,USA and UK
  2.Not in modern films. Modern film songs are out and out copied songs from east & west. Barring Rahman, there is not a single original composer there.
  You dumb idiot. I didnt say hindi movies have ghazals. I was referring to music as a whole.
  3. We are talking about filmy music here. Filmy music in Hindi films lack variety. Only copying.
  As far as classical music goes, it is fading out in cities in North. Chennai is a home for classical music. You will find more tamilians appreciating Hindustani music or western classical than North Indians appreciating carnatic or western classical. Can you think of one other city in India where you have such an elaborate annual music festival?
  
  Where all in north india have you been? Leave north india. Atleast have you been to mumbai or pune? Do you know every week there is a classical music program or ghazal program or something of that sort.
  
  Have you heard of people called adnan sami, pankaj udhas etc.
  
  Have you heard of a music director called ismail d.
  Heard of shankar ehssan roy.
  
  All of them are copiers eh???
  Great!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  I am again saying the same thing. You just cant compare hindi songs and tamil songs.
  
  If you want to argue just for the sake of arguing with no sense in it go ahead.
  
  One more silly guy added to the list of useless comparisons and argument
  
  But majority of people like me who enjoy all forms of music are having fun.
  
  As venki rightly said, there is nothing called kolly or holly. :-))
  
  
  
• From: Maverick (@ 192.128.167.68) on: Wed Feb 18 01:21:02 EST 2004
  
  It might not make complete sense to compare different genres of music. and to me, HFM & TFM are also two different genres. Though we might be people of the same country, just look at the difference in tastes between HFM & TFM audience and the music the MDs come up with. But, I still feel HFM lacks the versatility of TFM. Barring SEL, ID and once-in-blue-moon good numbers you can easilt categorize HFM as dolak-beats based genre. But if thats what HFM audience loves....well let them enjoy it coz I've got TFM playing on my headphones :-)))
  
  
• From: Maverick (@ 192.128.167.68) on: Wed Feb 18 01:28:07 EST 2004
  
  "When Lagaan was nominated for Oscar... we had pop-ups on MSN saying "Ask Spielerg to watch Lagaan"!!!! I mean idhellam konjam over-aa therialay??!! "
  
  Did they really had that ?? hahah. when it comes to creating hype, namma aalungala adichikkave mudiyaathu. I even remember one Hindi movei producer saying Speilberg should be called as hollywood's Maniratnam and not the other way.hehe..Why would you want to talk such nonsense like this ?
  
  

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