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Raga of song please

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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Note: You may want to refer to the list of raga based film songs before posting a query.

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• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Tue Apr 27 11:25:46 EDT 1999
  
  Cheers Murali. I'll definitely take a listen when I find my headphones. I have a new laptop and they are in the bag of my old one. Is the song you mention the Malllu version of Thamil Isai Mazlai? If so, how do the lyrics compare?
  
  I find that the Carnatic music in Malayalam films is incredible. Have you heard the wonderful Reethigowla piece? I think IR was the MD, but am not sure. I have a few Mallu albums, they are few and far between in the UK and they are all quite fantastic. There are a lot of talented MD's, singers there.
  
  By the way, do you have 2 names - Swapriyan and Murali or are you a duo?
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Tue Apr 27 13:30:53 EDT 1999
  
  Geetha:
  
  swarapriyan is my hotmail id. Murali sankar is my name. MS is the just an abbreviation.
  I feel great after hearing you saying that you like Mallu carnatic. I will be uploading many lilting songs soon (after May 6th) including the evergreen Pramadhavanam etc... I am sure you are going to like the ones I already have in my site.
  
  Regards
  MS
  
  
• From: Rama (@ csui3392.mcit.com) on: Tue Apr 27 17:02:46 EDT 1999
  
  hello guys,
  I keep posting questions but i rarely get answers, may be you guys feel iam too low to be in this discussion or may be my questions are too basic and way beneath your level.
  Anyway one last question. Is there any website which gives ragas for movie songs. Or is it possible by any of the real expert here to create one. If done I will be happy and be out of this discussion and get my answers from there.
  Thanx
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Tue Apr 27 20:38:07 EDT 1999
  
  Rama:
  
  Please do not get dejected. I haven't seen any question from you and even if I see I can answer only if I know. IMO, if you have not got answers from the Dfers, they will not be knowing them either. For eg, I have answered only a small portion among the many questions as my knowledge is just an inkling.
  
  Anyway, go to the top most (i.e the topic of the thread) and you will find a link there.
  
  Regards
  
  MS
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Wed Apr 28 04:31:23 EDT 1999
  
  Rama: I've answered your question about Innisai Paadi varum, just above.... Sorry for not answering the other one about Munnam Seidha. I need to locate the song and listen to it on order to comment. I don't remember it. Sorry again. Also, mostly, as MS said, we answer only if we know or have an idea....Please don't be offended and carry on with the questions. By the way, on my homepage, there is a Raga database link, which is maintained by Satish Subramaniyam, please take a look...
  
  http://www.members.tripod.com/~ygeetha
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Wed Apr 28 12:29:34 EDT 1999
  
  MS: Thanks in advance for uploading the songs. By the way, there was a Mallu dubbed movie into Tamil, called Elam(Auction). It was a great movie with great BGM(I should have noted the Ragas used), but there were no songs in it. Were there any songs in the original?
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Wed Apr 28 15:17:08 EDT 1999
  
  Geetha:
  
  My knowledge in the films is very poor irrespective of the language. If you give me sometime (May 6 - sem ends :-)), I can upload many songs.
  
  
• From: Dhandapani (@ 207.12.164.181) on: Wed Apr 28 17:28:38 EDT 1999
  
  Sounds like "Aatthadi Paavadai katthada' of Poo vilangu based on S r3 m1 d2 n1 S.
  If so, what is this raga ?
  
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Thu Apr 29 11:52:01 EDT 1999
  
  Thanks MS, I'll wait in anticipation.
  
  Dhandapani: A very hard one....I can't think of any R3/M1/D2/N1 combinations! I'll try and find it for you in the weekend....
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ 190.white-plains-01-02rs16rt.ny.dial-access.att.net) on: Thu Apr 29 19:31:04 EDT 1999
  
  Dhandapani,
  Can you pls tell what notation you are using?
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.28.47) on: Fri Apr 30 00:01:43 EDT 1999
  
  Geetha,
  do u know of any tamil film songs that have been set to ganta chaapu and misra chaapu thala? any IR songs in particular?
  also is the song 'oru pattampoochi' from kadhalukku mariyadhai set in chalanaatai?
  
  is kavithai kelungal by VJ in punnagai mannan set in Jog?
  
  
• From: raja (@ ws-209-201-91-35.icon.com) on: Fri Apr 30 08:31:43 EDT 1999
  
  Vijay:
  
  Ninaithal Innikum - from Kalyanaraman is set to Misra Chapu talam. Kanda Chaapu - let me find out. I remember a thread for songs set to Misra Chapu was started sometime back.
  
  
• From: Dhandapani (@ 207.12.164.181) on: Fri Apr 30 12:32:31 EDT 1999
  
  Vasu,
  I know only one type of notation, which is descriped in
  http://www-bsac.eecs.berkeley.edu/~ksanthan/Music/ragalist.txt
  I think this notation is well descriped with keyboard keys in our notes thread (very beginning).
  
  
  
• From: Dhandapani (@ 207.12.164.181) on: Fri Apr 30 13:09:27 EDT 1999
  
  Yesterday listened 'Raja chinna Raja" from Poonthalir (I am listening after so many years; thanks Rex). This song is available in Rex's Rage Illayaraja hits page : http://members.tripod.com/ilayaraaja/ , Song No 103.
  
  Wow !! What a song !!!
  This song well fits in Kiravani raga except D1.
  Please someone verify.
  
  
• From: Hrishikesh (@ 202.144.10.93) on: Sat May 1 04:08:17 EDT 1999
  
  Vijay ,
  Kanda Chapu - I think Alai Meedu from Kaadhal Kavithai.Someone please clarify
  Bye
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ 207.white-plains-01-02rs16rt.ny.dial-access.att.net) on: Sat May 1 13:22:44 EDT 1999
  
  Dhandapani,
  S r3 m1 d2 n1 S:
  
  in that notation, how come d2/n1 - both are same arent they? r3 can also be notated as g2. I have not heard that song, or else I could take a guess.
  
  
• From: Hrishikesh (@ 202.144.10.93) on: Sun May 2 04:03:13 EDT 1999
  
  Vasu,
  I think d3 = n1 and r3=g1 .
  Dhandapani,
  Regarding the name of the raga , I think it is a derivative of Vagadeeswari name Pragnavathi
  Source : Ragapravaham
  Bye
  
  
• From: Ramaswamy Gireesan (@ guardian.fast.de) on: Sun May 2 08:28:53 EDT 1999
  
  Hi!
  
  I have uploaded some more songs on to my homepage. I thought I should be back with a bang after such a long time, but due to time constraints, I could just prevent the attempt from turning out to be a damp squib :-) Anyway take a look at the songs and the ragas I have put them under. Let me know your comments.
  
  Thanks and regards
  
  G.Ramaswamy
  
  P.S. http://www.m59.big.ac.at/~grama
  Look under Great Hits of Ilaiyaraja-I and II.
  
  
• From: Dhandapani (@ 207.12.164.181) on: Mon May 3 16:30:27 EDT 1999
  
  Sorry Vasu for my mistake.
  Infact I was trying to type S r3 m1 d2 n2 S.
  But typed n1 instead of n2.
  Here is the key definition (which I copied from our notes thread)
  
  Key 1 - WHITE - S - Shadjam-(C)
  Key 2 - BLACK - R1 -Suddha Rishabam-(D flat)
  Key 3 - WHITE - R2,G1 -Chatusruti Rishabam-(D), shudda ga
  Key 4 - BLACK - R3,G2 -Sadharana Ghandharam-(E flat),shatsruthi ri
  Key 5 - WHITE - G3 -Anthara Ghandharam-(E)
  Key 6 - WHITE - M1 -Suddha Madyamam-(F)
  Key 7 - BLACK - M2 -Pradhi Madyamam-(F Sharp)
  Key 8 - WHITE - P -Panjamam-(G)
  Key 9 - BLACK - D1 -Suddha Daivatham-(A flat)
  Key 10- WHITE - D2,N1 -Chatusruti Diavatham-(A), shuddha ni
  Key 11- BLACK - D3,N2 -Kaikali Nishadam-(B flat), shatsruthi da
  Key 12- WHITE - N3 -Kakali Nishadam-(B)
  
  
  
• From: RR (@ proxy.krdl.org.sg) on: Mon May 3 22:05:22 EDT 1999
  
  Dhandapani, It's Hindolam :)
  
  
• From: Dhandapani (@ 207.12.164.181) on: Tue May 4 12:25:03 EDT 1999
  
  No RR, it is not Hindolam
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ mail.netrisk.com) on: Tue May 4 12:38:13 EDT 1999
  
  Dhandapani,
  I dont have an exact answer. But...
  Going by the fact that r3 = g2, your notes are:
  s g2 m1 d2 n2. I used my web search engine and these are the results i found:
  1.Bageshri - [sg2m1d2n2s+;s+n2d2m1pd2g2m1r2s]
  2.Srimanoranjani - [sg2m1d2n2s+;sn2d2pm1g2s]
  
  It could very well fit into srimanoranjani if it uses P in avarohana. Or probably it could be one that the MD himself created by just omitting P and R from kharaharapriya. I am not aware of if there is any raga as such. If he had omitted only P it would be Shriranjani.
  
  RR:
  It cant be hindolam coz hindolam uses D1.
  
  HTH,
  Vasu
  
  
• From: Dhandapani (@ 207.12.164.181) on: Tue May 4 18:35:42 EDT 1999
  
  Vasu,
  Thanks for your inputs.
  
  Aaththaadi Pavadai is available at www.swara.com
  at
  http://www.swara.com/cgi-bin/getsong.pl?/songs/tamil/raja/aathadipaavadai.rm+a
  
  
• From: RR (@ proxy.krdl.org.sg) on: Tue May 4 22:20:35 EDT 1999
  
  oops.. wanted to say 'suddha hindolam'.
  
  The kriti 'thunai purintharul' is in this raga.
  
  
• From: Rajasekar (@ sdn-ar-002caoaklp074.dialsprint.net) on: Wed May 5 00:56:57 EDT 1999
  
  Mr S BalachandraRaju (author 'Raga Paavaarththam') defines Raga 'Prakshalanaavathy' as follows:(page 323 of Raga Paavaarththam)
  There is a yoga method called 'Shang Prakshalana' which is mainly meant for stomach cleaning. In the same way, this raga purifies your heart. That is the reason, this raga got this name.
  When singing slowly in mandrasthai, this raga itself gives the pleasure of yoga.
  Prakshalanaavathy raga is 34'th Melakartha Vaagatheeswari's janya raga.
  
  Arohanam : Sa R3 M1 D2 N2 Sa
  Avarohanam : Sa N2 D2 M1 R3 Sa
  
  So Aaththadi Paavadai is 100% Prakshalanaavathy raga.
  Great Illayaraja !!
  Thanks guys.
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Wed May 5 12:51:46 EDT 1999
  
  RR: Suddha Hindholam is commonly known as Varamu. In fact I have both Manasuloni(TVS) and Thunai Purindharul(UnniK) in Varamu. I think the Varamu is the new name for Suddha Hindholam. I think KJJ sang Manasuloni in Hindhola Kaamini, also a nice Raga.
  
  Rajsekar: Wow, I too found the Ragam Prakshalanaavathy in Raga Pravakham(I love that book), I'm so impressed. Please tell me where you got the other fascinating information from? I have some of Sambamoorthy's books, but your level of detail is excellent. Thanks for that. Please recommentd me some books or web sites, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks for the great information. Please keep posting here or in the Hub, I for one would really appreciate it.
  
  

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