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Dheena Release

Topic started by Surya (@ 213.122.244.153) on Fri Dec 1 15:22:56 EST 2000.
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YSR's Dheena starring Ajit should be coming out soon. Has anyone any info about it?Also what are his other upcoming projects?

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• From: Swami (not Swamiji) (@ 199.206.254.66) on: Wed Mar 7 13:23:46 EST 2001
  
  What about 1000s of south indian folks that IR has lifted.
  
  ??explanations and references plase before make allegations.
  
  
• From: S T S (@ 65.3.195.189) on: Wed Mar 7 15:59:49 EST 2001
  
  Common Friend,
  
  What about 1000s of south indian folks that IR has lifted? Please name one, atleast.
  
  Thirundunga Paa.
  Enga paaththalum en yaa IR pera elukkuringa
  
  
• From: :-) (@ 192.135.244.69) on: Thu Mar 8 01:32:58 EST 2001
  
  >>What about 1000s of south indian folks that IR has lifted. He is said to be master of folk songs. <<
  
  neenga enna paNreengaLAm ???
  
  nee ozhungA nu modhalla pAru man, aprama advise ellAm paNNalAm...
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Thu Mar 8 09:31:22 EST 2001
  
  You mean to say that folk musics of IR are indegenously created by him. His brother GA himself has quoted several times in several places and TV interview about the original and said that how they (IR and him) have popularised folk songs.
  I never ment to degrade IR. I have already mentioned this in my very early posting in this forum. Infact I wanted to say that there is nothing wrong in improvising on folk songs and bring out the best from it. That is how it should be done and only then you will get the songs with "Manvaasanai".
  My reaction was to this line.
  "3.thillana-mutthu- a rajasthani folk-utter copy.... yaar "
  
  What I wanted to say is be it south indian or north indian folk songs, there is nothing wrong in using them as long as you make them reach to larger section of people who have not heard them before.
  Has IR not done a great service by bringing out sweet tunes of our rustic land?
  
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Thu Mar 8 11:10:23 EST 2001
  
  Common friend,
  but in that case why ARR sued Nadeem-shravan for lifting same thillana-thillana?
  
  One curious question, I want to which are the songs IR used from real folk songs?.
  I feel It will be very few. Most of them just use the words like 'padariyen padipariyen'. And many are just inspiration like 'nandhavanathil or andi' was taken as base for 'appanendrum ammai endrum' (this composing session comes in Guna audio).
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Thu Mar 8 12:32:51 EST 2001
  
  kk:
  First point is I am not sure whether thillana-thillana is an inspiration. Had that been then ARR won't have sued NS. Also, on what basis he sued him we don't know.
  The examples given by musician are not that good. 1 .The jeans song as I can interpret is the first line resembles the "Oh mere sona re" from Theesre manzil. Rest of the songs are divergently different. Even the first line does not carry the original tune too far. If you sing both the songs (with open mind) you will realise.
  2. Khadalar dhinam example - I have already given my interpretation in my very early postings some where. Okay Leave it.
  
  Regarding IR, let me not do the search as a detective to bash him. I have given some examples like
  1. Maankuile Poonkuile
  2. Nalla velli kezhamaiyile
  etc. in my earlier postings.
  Today, I was seeing Kairali TV (malayalam) in which GA (IR's brother) was in a prog. The prog was for tamil. He brought out some similarities.
  
  1. "Ponnana meni.. Nanum Poovodu vanthen""
  --- I don't know are these the exact lyrics.
  This song resembled
  "Paattukku Patteduththu.. nan paduvadhu kettaiyo" from Padakotti - same folk base.
  2. "Thenpaandi seemaiyile" and "Yen paattu Yen Paattu" had common base in folk music.
  
  Why, GA himself has said once that "Anna kili unnaai theduthu" has a folk base where in the original "kili" was sung as kiili and the song was sung little slowly.
  Some Navaneedakrishnan(hus & wife - forgot full name - famous folk artist - also PHD in folk art ) once complained that IR used the songs that they took pain to do research and popularise. I am not blaming, infact I admire IR for giving us this sweet tresure. I just want to say that folk songs can be used to produce good music.
  
  
• From: sats (@ 139.177.224.100) on: Thu Mar 8 13:01:55 EST 2001
  
  thiruvilayadal le oru dialog varum
  
  "kutram kandu pidithe per vangubavargal irukirargal
  ummai pole oru naalu peru ille neenga oruthare podhum"
  
  na yarayum kuripittu solalle indha thread padicha andha dialog dhan nyabagam vardhu
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Thu Mar 8 19:14:44 EST 2001
  
  Common friend,
  
  I have heard the original mankuyile, padariyen etc, they are much differnt from IR's version. I feel the lyrics are reused to get the feel. He uses original folk tunes as base (you can understand if you have heard that Guna compsing session) just to set the tone, so that it has a real folk feel.
  
  I too dont support the claims of ARR's songs, just because they found a trace, that can easyly occur to anyone.
  
  
• From: Dinesh (@ 203.126.228.21) on: Wed Mar 14 04:26:52 EST 2001
  
  YSR never do his own music, it is repeative from IR and backgrounded from father IR.
  
  YSR never be popular in music as he don't know about music. As long his father IR there he can survive with IR tune moderate with ARR rhythums.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Thu Mar 15 18:47:22 EST 2001
  
  Vijayalakshmi Navaneethakrishnan should be complaining about Deva. He did one movie with all songs from their album. Funny thing was, the music for the album itself was scored by Deva. (This album was given to me by my brother 6 or 7 yrs back with the comment, "Lots of people going to the US seem to listen to classical music, why dont you be different and take this folk music with you" :) :) ).
  
  
• From: nvd (@ 161.142.100.85) on: Thu Mar 15 21:12:04 EST 2001
  
  MR. Dinesh,
  
  Proof please sir.
  
  
• From: S T S (@ 65.3.195.189) on: Thu Mar 15 23:44:03 EST 2001
  
  Common Friend,
  
  Vaanga Ayya. Some Navaneedakrishnan(hus & wife - forgot full name - famous folk artist - also PHD in folk art ) once complained that IR used the songs that they took pain to do research and popularise. I watched one of his TV interviews long back and credited IR for popularizing folk songs. He had great respect for him. Summaa ethaavathu sollakkoodaathu.
  
  I read in some of your postings that IR used folk songs. To justify that you said you are from a village. Me too. I am from a village 5 kms south of Sivakasi, TN. Kummipaattu, Mulaipaari paattu, kulavai paattu endru there are varieties of folk songs. These can't be copied. The first line of a song starts like 'thannaane thanaa naane...' (Eg Naattupura Paattu) and then the tune takes over. Cinemavila pongalnaa kulavai solli aarambichaa athu copyaa? Vaarayaan thozhi starts with 'Gnana Pazhathai pizhinthu...". Does it amount to copy. I beg to differ.
  
  If you believe IR lifed some folk tunes, pls give sample. That is the best thing to do. :-)
  
  
• From: RAJA.I (@ ) on: Sun Mar 25 11:43:56 EST 2001
  
  LISTEN ARGUERS!
  Scoring hardly some 100 and odd songs,where repeatation of tunes dominates and 'inspirations' pulls so many controversies with ARR which is not so with the IR who is still giving the best soul-melting tunes with 5000 and more songs(i am giving the lowest safe figure i think.,) already under his fingers.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Mon Mar 26 09:41:22 EST 2001
  
  STS:
  
  I didn't notice your response for so long.
  
  My response to your this posting will be short. I have already in several places given examples. Also, recently I quoted one example what PK had to say about "Ayiram thAmarai mottukkale".
  
  Initially, I didn't mean to quote these things to say that IR had copied. Infact I supported that and had said that this is how it should be done to popularise folk songs. Later I started feeling that IR fans bashed ARR too much for some non-sense examples of copying and etc. I had to take this weapon and yes I agree that I have mis used it. It just depends on interpretation. If you see, almost all of classic IR folk song has a original in probably in a primitive form. IR beutified it and gave it. That's fine. But, if you see it from other side the tune are not his , so it amounts to lifting. Don't get wild. I am just explaining. I just mentioned it in this way.
  
  I have heard for several time GA quoting several such examples in various TV channels.
  
  Okay.. One more example for you. The "Oththai ruba thAren nan onapathattum thAren" song to me is the same song I used to hear in "Vayalum vazhvum " program for so many years.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon Mar 26 11:34:59 EST 2001
  
  hmm..we are in many standards committee (for various technologies). We ship products confirming to technologies. Does that mean we just implemented an available standard ? No, we were part of the evolution of this standard. IR was part of the evolution of folk music. He played these songs or songs in these tunes at various places around TN before he even entered the movie industry. This is very different from using the rhythm arrangment of a song released in a different part of the globe in a tamil song. Why are we not thinking straight on this ? What is the percentage of compositions by pushpavanam kuppuswamy or navaneetha krishnan original ? Why cant these folk tunes be used in film music ? Afterall they are like carnatic music rAgams ? (Navaneetha krishnan had to get Deva to orchestrate her songs). So lets stop this ridiculous effort to undermine the contributions of a unique MD to film music and especially bringing out the beauty of folk music, carnatic music and western classical music by itself or in fusion with others.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Mon Mar 26 11:55:59 EST 2001
  
  "using the rhythm arrangment of a song released in a different part of the globe in a tamil song"
  
  Is this same as using part of a classical composition in a different part of the globe in a tamil song?
  
  
• From: sri (@ 213.1.69.121) on: Tue Mar 27 02:04:09 EST 2001
  
  Dheena is now number one in ths charts. It must be Yuvans best selling album to date.
  
  
• From: dh (@ 203.126.228.21) on: Tue Mar 27 04:42:21 EST 2001
  
  Wrongly I have bought the dheena CD one of the worst by YSR still he should learn from father IR, possibly the IR reflection behind in it.
  
  
• From: shankar (@ 203.197.146.81) on: Tue Mar 27 08:54:15 EST 2001
  
  whattan album dheena
  quite good.songs like sollaamal and laila laila lai lai by hariharan and harish raghavendra resp. are great .but ysr has fixed high range for the singers.pls b a bit cautious about that yuvan
  
  
• From: trisha (@ 213.1.129.37) on: Tue Mar 27 10:15:48 EST 2001
  
  dh, I fail to agree with you. Dheena is one of Yuvans best sellign albums to date and I think personally that it has been some of his best work. Shankar, I too agree, that you can see the strain in Hariharans voice in Sollamal Thottu, so maybe the sruthi could have been lowered for this track.
  
  
• From: Query (@ 129.49.160.145) on: Wed Mar 28 23:29:22 EST 2001
  
  just a simple question,
  who are the singer for "kaadhal website onru", is it BR's son in the male counterpart?
  
  
• From: Query (@ 129.49.160.145) on: Wed Mar 28 23:29:32 EST 2001
  
  just a simple question,
  who are the singers for "kaadhal website onru", is it BR's son in the male counterpart?
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.169.139.40) on: Thu Mar 29 01:30:25 EST 2001
  
  'Kathal website' is by Shankar Mahadevan, Yuvan Shankar Raja, Timmy and Harini
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: nvd (@ 161.142.100.85) on: Thu Mar 29 02:36:39 EST 2001
  
  Who is Timmy actually? A full time singer or what? Anyone let me know please.
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.169.139.40) on: Thu Mar 29 03:44:42 EST 2001
  
  nvd,
  
  Timmy used to sing Chorus (?!) for Rahman, YSR used her voice in Grahan first and then this.
  
  There is one guy 'Clinton' - Who sang 'pachchai niRamee' with HariHaran in Alaipayuthey, I remember reading in Kalki that these two (Clinton and Timmy) are getting married soon., Can somebody confirm ?
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: Vijay Venkatram J (@ 203.197.154.215) on: Thu Mar 29 04:33:18 EST 2001
  
  Nagas,
  Grahan is by KR not YSR!
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.169.139.40) on: Thu Mar 29 05:25:09 EST 2001
  
  Vijay,
  
  A big sorry, Vaay thavaRi uLaRitteen :-)
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: sri (@ 213.123.10.139) on: Thu Mar 29 15:07:02 EST 2001
  
  I have to mention, Timmy is a male singer!!
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.169.145.72) on: Fri Mar 30 01:13:08 EST 2001
  
  Sri,
  
  Are you sure ? 'coz I remember reading in Kalki that Clinton and Timmy are planning to get married, Clinton is a male singer for sure :-)
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: sri (@ 213.1.172.129) on: Fri Mar 30 10:32:22 EST 2001
  
  Yes NagaS, Timmy sang Kanmunne with Yuvan on TI. Did you not hear it?
  
  

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