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who is going to bell the cat????

Topic started by latha (@ 203.197.146.67) on Wed Mar 28 07:59:56 EST 2001.
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hello tfm ppl
it seems to me that the entire tamil film music is dominated by the north indian singers who take tamil words for granted and spoil the very essence of the language.( including shankar mahadevan who pronounces anbae as embaey and inbam as embam and so on!!!!!).sukhwinder and udit need nothing to add
its really a pity that music directors like rahman dont really recognise local talents like harish raghavendra who can really give their best contributions musically and sing tamil in good feel as well.
will the persons concerned realize this

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• From: Poonai Padai (@ 63.224.65.186) on: Thu Apr 26 15:53:46 EDT 2001
  
  who is the cat here...Bharath :-))
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Thu Apr 26 16:37:36 EDT 2001
  
  thanx AG. I am sorry if I appear as a IR basher in other forums, i like him, he just ran out steam with a good break and lot of strategising he can make a come back but he doesnt seem to be doing so. He is simply not taking up the challenge. I wud rather see a ARR-IR hate war that leads to competitive music than this scenario!
  
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.210) on: Sun Apr 29 06:36:45 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath,
  he had nastily copied the "aasai athikam vechu" song in marupadiyum
  
  Can you please tell from where?
  
  
• From: bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Mon Apr 30 12:40:51 EDT 2001
  
  eden,
  
  aasai athikam vechu is heavily inspred by the ever-famous MJ's "The way you make me feel"
  
  bye
  bharath
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon Apr 30 21:14:03 EDT 2001
  
  Inspired in what ways ? Beats ? tune ? Chords ? To me this is a typical IR song - tune, beats, guitar vibes, chords etc.
  
  
• From: bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Tue May 1 12:22:42 EDT 2001
  
  beats copied ditto. if u just play the beginning beats of both songs u wudnt be able to say which song is which. just listen to it(MJ's song) and u'll know wat i'm talking abt.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.221) on: Wed May 2 09:37:47 EDT 2001
  
  I know what you're talking is absurd. I have heard `the way you make me feel' (album BAD) at least a 100 times and both have absolutely no similarity (beats or whatever)!
  
  `The way you make me feel' has been looted by Vidayasagar in a film called Mr Madras, BTW. Please don't cry `COPY' just for the sake of crying. It'll make you lose all credibility!
  
  
• From: bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Wed May 2 11:32:11 EDT 2001
  
  and u r the person who is the universal credibility assigner. who cares if u think i'm credible or not. and what makes u think u opinion on the issue is final.
  
  yes! he has copied the beats. any lay music man wud have listened to "the way u make me feel" 100 times. its an obviously popular song so that doesnt make u an expert.
  
  if critising IR makes u so pissed off I cant help it. he did get inspired by the beats and looted it. for standards IRb has set it is COPY
  
  bye
  bharath
  
  P.S : he COPIED the beats
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.179) on: Thu May 3 08:51:20 EDT 2001
  
  bharath:
  Keep cool man. In this forum,it really requires courage to say that IR had copied.
  
  I have not heard the MJ's number(I don't remeber what it is now), but, I have also given some examples in the past, about IR, which gave me bashing in return. But, I never said any thing as copied and all I beleive is inspiration and that to me is no wrong as long as you come out with some thing new from an already existing one.
  It's just like using activex controls in your programs.
  
  
• From: a (@ 172.139.38.133) on: Thu May 3 14:47:39 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath,u need to learn the lingo right if u want to talk about Ir . u never say "copy " but u say "based ". for eg: if u take the " kasme vaade pyaar wafa " from upkaar which under Ilayaraja came as "kanavu kaanum vaazhkai yaavum "..u have to call it as a composition out of inspiration even if it sounds the same..:)
  
  however i think ure wrong about aasai adhigam vechu and the way u make me feel..!
  
  
• From: bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Thu May 3 15:08:54 EDT 2001
  
  thanks "a" i do need to learn the lingo. yes! I appreciate ur views about "aasai athikam " see! thats the point! every one has a right to their view. but that doesnt mean a person like eden can trash just about anyone in an assertion that his/her view is the correct one.
  
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.219) on: Fri May 4 01:35:49 EDT 2001
  
  Repeating an incorrect statement many times does not make it correct. FYI, I read most of the time IR bashing in this forum and I don't react to each, of course everyone has a right to their `opinions' and each have their `tastes'. For many, critizing IR is fashion nowadays and let them be happy about it.
  
  But when allegations like `copy' are made, it's got to be in accordance with the facts and if not only then I feel reaction is necessary.
  
  IMO, one need not be a music expert to say `Asai adhigam' and `the way you make me feel' are way different. If you feel only experts can comment, please get links and let some experts like srikanth, rajaG, MS, vijay give their opinions (rather than keep repeating your statement `beats are copied')
  
  
• From: Vijay (@ 194.200.27.253) on: Fri May 4 04:14:13 EDT 2001
  
       Well, actually, while I can't immediately recall "The way you make me feel", I do agree that the beats in "Aasa adhigam vechu..." sound similar to the beats in some Michael Jackson song I heard a long time ago. But the tune is definitely Ilayaraja's own tune. Even with the beats, I think that it is possible that it was a suggestion by one of his assistants... perhaps it was S.A.Rajkumar, considering that he used to be Ilayaraja's assistant... who knows?
       I guess I might sound like a die-hard Ilayaraja fan trying desperately to defend everything he does, but hey, you guys sound like die-hard opponents of Ilayaraja trying as hard as possible to criticise him...
  
  
• From: sowmya (@ ) on: Tue Jun 12 05:33:02 EDT 2001
  
  i,d like to talk about harish raghavendra. i think he is a great singer. anyone agrees or dis agrees?
  
  
• From: Sundar (@ 202.9.162.139) on: Tue Jun 12 06:39:52 EDT 2001
  
  this thread is supposed to be for north indian singers murdering Tamil with impunity.
  
  well. Sadhna sargam leads the pack. her pronunciation is atrocious.no great voice too.
  
  the much pampered HH is also awful especially pronouncing eL(Dheena- song:.. kangaL)he sounds horrible thesedays in higher octaves. he seems to have lost whatever melody he had.
  
  Shankar Mahadevan is not all that bad. Atleast he sings well in medium and high pitches.
  
  Sukwinder,Udit are terrible.
  
  Any way which MD is bothered these days about ucharrippu. most of the songs are in 'tanglish'.
  anybody agrees?
  
  
  
  
• From: Curious (@ 212.153.190.3) on: Tue Jun 12 07:32:09 EDT 2001
  
  >>the " kasme vaade pyaar wafa " from upkaar which under Ilayaraja came as "kanavu kaanum vaazhkai yaavum "..
  
  I am interested in more such songs where IR has been "inspired".
  Could someone give more info or perhaps a link.
  -Curious
  
  
• From: fan (@ 202.9.182.120) on: Wed Jun 13 05:22:48 EDT 2001
  
  the directors,producers and music directors must put an end to this disgrace and bring back the golden years for tamil film music.tms,pbs,kjy,spb have sung so greatly and the present day singers are bringing bad name to them. ofcourse the fault lies on the producer-director-music director.
  
  
• From: Vijay (@ 194.200.27.253) on: Thu Jun 14 06:19:33 EDT 2001
  
  Sundar, Hariharan is not that bad when it comes to pronunciation - "Kangal" in Dheena was just to rhyme with "Kaadhal". So it's the lyricist's fault, not Hariharan's. But you're right, he doesn't sound very good in the higher octaves.
  
  
• From: fan (@ 202.9.182.234) on: Thu Jun 14 07:51:29 EDT 2001
  
  despite singing in the same manner every song, i am surprised how hariharan is repeatedly getting chances to sing.
  
  
• From: bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Thu Jun 14 11:39:31 EDT 2001
  
  why wud the producers and directors do something thats not liked by public... if they repeatedly use such people it only means that the public wants more of it... and so the critics of this issue fall under the minority category
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163) on: Thu Jun 14 12:11:10 EDT 2001
  
  did anyone take a survey and concluded that these people are liked by the public?
  
  what if the public, doesn't like them? what can be done? nothing!
  
  i feel, the fault is more with the md. if he decides so, the producer and director may not argue.
  
  many mds say that their voice suits the situation, actor and so on. just their whim.
  
  anbudan
  mahabs
  
  
  
• From: bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Thu Jun 14 15:25:44 EDT 2001
  
  survey = cassatte sales
  
  why do u need an opinion poll when u have the real elections. if the public did not like it they just wudnt buy them thats all...
  
  i dont think we ran out of options that we have to buy even though we dont like it
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163) on: Fri Jun 15 04:21:37 EDT 2001
  
  we would buy a cassatte even if a single song has a bad voice.
  
  if the tune is good, normally we ignore (even if we complain!) the voice. many people don't like ir's and bhava's voice. yet one would buy a cassatte.
  why ir continue to sing? his whim, mainly.
  won't you buy kadalukku mariyadai, even if there is a bad song sung by ir?
  
  cassatte sales => opinion of the quality of the songs + md, not about the singers.
  
  anbudan
  mahabs
  
  
• From: bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Fri Jun 15 12:06:23 EDT 2001
  
  i see ur point, i do share the same feeling, I can even quote our own janaki now.. i used to like her for songs like "roja poo vadi vanthathu" but now I think she is old and sahe spoilt "oru naal antha oru naal" like only she cud.
  
  i still dont buy ur argument
  
  opinion of quality of songs = (tune + singers + music arrangement)
  
  SPB, KJY, SJanaki,Swarnalatha are also not our native tamil singers, they all come from outside tamil nadu. SPB still has a wee bit of telugu accent.
  
  so where do u draw the line. will u now say, only the 4 southern state people should be allowed in TFM, who is to draw the line...
  
  even according to ur argument if
  
  cassatte sales => opinion of the quality of the songs + md, not about the singers
  
  then it only means that people dont care who sings it and buy it for the tune. since the common man does not hold it as a criteria to buy cassates, it only means that he does not care abt it or likes it... so the MD experiments until he hits gold
  
  Of the new lot ARR has stopped using Udit.. I liked carolene, sadhana sargam (inspite of her snehidane rendition), hariharan, shankar mahadevan, asha bhonsle
  
  people like sukhwinder singh and udit were used but were quickly taken off , thats bcoz of feed bak... only the good have survived...
  
  when u make experiments a few go ur way and few dont ..but the fact remains u gained a few ...
  
  IR did not create a market for singers bcoz he stuck to a chosen few. I think thats monopoly and I dont like that aspect. Good that ARR and Co have made it more democratic.
  
  I
  
  
• From: fan (@ 202.9.180.193) on: Sat Jun 16 01:42:52 EDT 2001
  
  it does not require a opinion poll to find out how good the singers are today. if your are given bad tomatoes and you do not have any option, you will choose the best among the bad lot. sales will be continue to be there . that is the present day scenerio.
  
  

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