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who is going to bell the cat????

Topic started by latha (@ 203.197.146.67) on Wed Mar 28 07:59:56 EST 2001.
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hello tfm ppl
it seems to me that the entire tamil film music is dominated by the north indian singers who take tamil words for granted and spoil the very essence of the language.( including shankar mahadevan who pronounces anbae as embaey and inbam as embam and so on!!!!!).sukhwinder and udit need nothing to add
its really a pity that music directors like rahman dont really recognise local talents like harish raghavendra who can really give their best contributions musically and sing tamil in good feel as well.
will the persons concerned realize this

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• From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.128.13) on: Thu Apr 12 01:02:10 EDT 2001
  
  Doubter :
  Singing in one language is difficult than speaking. We are not here to listen PS's speech or SPB's speech. Her speech contribution is NILL in tfm.
  
  I Just mentioned whatever she told in the interview. Whom else atleast told like this?
  
  
• From: Rahul (@ 202.144.64.131) on: Tue Apr 17 09:31:04 EDT 2001
  
  Where is tamil in tamil films?
  
  Greedy producers try out their luck on running horses in the race and get impressed with the information that Bombay business can be targetted after dubbing in Hindi, using a Bombay actress in tamil films. Greedy tamil MDs feel that they can get their cut and get promoted by the Bombay singers who come to sing in tamil. They try their luck and squeeze in bollywood.
  Ultimatum results- either the movies gets a hit and earns profit, or fails miserably making the producer nil. The MDs are safe with their money and their experiment, at the cost of the producers whom they trap with greedy temptations.
  Even KR,YSR and almost all the latest(why not when IR family itself from TN does it!)do that.
  
  This can change only when the producers enter into an "agreement with the MDs, on Sharing cost of production and the profit on completion and release of the film". Only then humanity will return to tfm. Until then Iam sure, these greedy -------- will ruin the culture and spoil the scene, as they are just businessmen and not film industrialists (like AVM, SS Vasan, Nagi Reddy etc. who had a quality control).
  
  
• From: vengayam (@ 202.54.94.54) on: Mon Apr 23 07:20:23 EDT 2001
  
  there is another sorry side to it. how many of us know to speak the language well. it is considered passe to speak in tamizh mozhi. oru ainthu nimidam makkalaal angila kalappilamal pesa mudiyuma? 95 vizhukkadu makkal thindaaduvaargal. there you ve got the nub. if we can't speak the lingo properly , we could'n care less how the songs are being sung. but with the lyrics being what they are may be it is better left this way. eshwara vaanum mannum hand shake pannudu
  (or is it friendship aanathu)udit styleleye irukkattum.
  that is whywhen a rare gem comes like narumugaiye... people prefer halo mister ethucuthcey ( ethirkatchi)..
  tamil RIP.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Mon Apr 23 11:56:37 EDT 2001
  
  
  a rare gem comes like narumugaiye...
  
  Certainly true. Iruvar is one of ARR's best. But, for this perticular song VM had used some rare words from Aga naanooru and pura naanooru. The situation of the song demanded that and if you watch the lyrics properly and if you are a person like me who likes the richness of old tamil seyyuL, then you will really enjoy this song. Great work by VM. I don't know what came first. ?Lyrics or tune. For any thing that would have come second , the creator of that would have done a really difficult job.
  
  But many people didn't understand the meaning. How pathetic. We could not understand our own original language.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Mon Apr 23 13:23:08 EDT 2001
  
  common frnd,
  
  good observation abt narumugaiye, i share ur sentiments completely
  
  sabesan,
  
  with regards to ur question why IR's good songs dont get noticed. well! I think he deserves it. no matter how good the music is, everything depends on how successful/ good the movie is so IR should have fought with good directors like bharathiraja, manirathnam, KB etc... if u notice IR's best and greates mostly came from top directors . all the top directors now have ARR as their MD so IR is now reduced to 1 dimension!
  
  this is what i call " wag the dog" scenario
  :-)
  
  bye
  bharath
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.130) on: Wed Apr 25 06:48:13 EDT 2001
  
  Actually Bharath..I'm not aware of why IR had a fallout with the top directors...maybe some postings are already there in previous threads...we don't have to rake up this topic again...could u pls direct me ?
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Wed Apr 25 13:43:33 EDT 2001
  
  cosmician,
  
  why IR fought with
  
  Balachander: KB was not to keen on giving up MSV when IR was new and hot, and was skeptical of IR, much the same as kamal is to ARR now. When MSV faded away slowly KB roped in IR here and there. But given the ego of KB who is much senior to IR. The expected ego clashes arose when KB was made to stand in queue with other trash directors( a common habbit of IR, it is alleged) so the love -hate reletionship continued with IR working in sindhu bhairavi and not in vaname ellai or jaadhi malli . Anyway Kavithalaya used Deva more often for its home production (eg. annamalai)
  As soon as KB and Kavithalaya co-discovered ARR . he used ARR for Duet, but his last movie(so far) kalki used another MD.
  
  Manirathnam:
  
  The main reason for the fight is touted as mani's non-inclusion of the song "putham puthu poo poothatho" in "thalapathi". which lead to mani being (as usual) queued in front of IR's house along with other boot lickers. Mani made a fine gesture by collecting IR's filmfare award for "thalapathi" (which IR refused to come) but it did not work out.
  
  Mani's association with IR was forcibly terminated after he signed up for Kavithalaya's "Roja". where IR simply cud not figure in the scheme of things bcoz of KB. which lead to the discovery of ARR and hence a new chapter in TFM. ( i guess it was p.c.sriram who recommended ARR bcoz he had worked in some advt. with him)
  
  Bharathiraja: By far the unbeatable combo in TFM has been IR-Bharathiraja-vairamuthu. Now vairamuthu as he is doing now, with ARR thought he was the most important among the 3 (again "wag the dog" scenario) and got into a tiff with IR. Bharathiraja also had some tiffs with IR. Bharathiraja used some vague MD for rajini's kodiparakuthu (where a rajini-IR-Bharathiraja combo wud have been brilliant) to start the split and soon he made up with IR and did "nadodi thendral" without vairamuthu . which flopped and vairamuthu, said it was bcoz of the bad luck associated with his own absence that caused the movie to flop. After which bharathiraja went into a shell and resurfaced with "kezhakku semaiyila" when ARR was hot. ( again Bharathiraja and IR had their own wgo clashes when IR cudnt afford it)
  
  So there is the flashbak of the top 3 directors of 1985- 1995 decade . IR lacked good strategy and +ve relationship with Movie Dir. and he was'nt modern enough to be buisiness minded. and so After the super hit of "thalapathi" IR lost all good directors and also was inderectly responsible for ARR's draft into TFM.
  
  After 1991 his biggest hits I can think of are "kaathalukku mariayadai( The movie did well)
  devadai and nassers-first-movie( Both flopped). he did some rajini and kamal movies where 1 or 2 songs did well! but nothing that really stunned the tamils to death.
  
  thats my analysis of the downfall of the IR empire
  
  He's good even now. But if anyone kids he has a market as good as ARR they are just too loyal to IR thats all. Its the money that matters always and IR , to put it simply "cant show the money"
  not that quality wise IR is still superior, he distinctly lacks good movie dir. to get the best out of him.
  
  bye
  bharath
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Wed Apr 25 13:48:57 EDT 2001
  
  there may be IR's other hits in the last decade like "chinna thambi". But I hate , reallr really hate "cinna thambi" especially the song "poovomaa oorvolam" it the worst song i've heard in my life :-)
  ( I just cudnt express hate more)
  
  and so didnt include such films. the decent contribs from IR that now come to mind r
  
  ejaman, muthu, singaravelan, kalaignan, chinna kounder, walter vetr., i guess thats all.but all these were average hits with ref. to music.
  
  bye
  bharath
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.130) on: Wed Apr 25 15:53:28 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath...thanks for the information...I think IR had reached a point where he had to put his foot down...I think he was getting really fed up of commercial music and his venture into compposing a symphony was the need to do something different...
  
  But why do you hate "Povoma Oorvolam"...the instrumentation was brilliant if u ask me...i think if u say hate - its a personal opinion...a rational explanation would be better...and u must be aware the knowledgeable guy that u are...that song was dubbed / re-tuned in Kannada, Telugu and even Hindi ! Only ARR's Muqabla had made that kinda impact later....and Chinna Thambi made such an imapct that it was remade in the above mentioned languages. Vasu had mentioned in an interview how IR had immediately tuned the songs when he told him the story and the situations...
  
  
• From: kooththan (@ 198.73.152.100) on: Wed Apr 25 17:05:41 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath,
  
  You tell a good story. Can you substatiate your claims?
  
  Weren't Veera, Walter Vetrivel, and Ejaman huge hits musically?
  
  How about 'marupadiyum'?
  
  
  ....later
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Thu Apr 26 09:22:09 EDT 2001
  
  WV had one or two good numbers but an average album as far as IR standard is concerned. Okay the movie was a serious movie and not much of a scope for great music. Ejaman was a hit - no doubt- but did it come in the period of ARR (ie after 1992 august).
  
  One thing, Veera was a huge hit and was a hit through out the year. I have mentioned this many times in this forum. After ARR, mostly ARR albums had runs all over the year (ofcourse Deva has his shares like the recent one like Khushi) . But, veera was a real hit all through out the year. Great songs. One of the few albums of IR in 90's where all songs were hit. Chembaruthi, I think, came in 1990 end. It was also a musical hit throughout an year. All songs were a hit in that.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Thu Apr 26 14:45:17 EDT 2001
  
  koothan,
  
  he had nastily copied the "aasai athikam vechu" song in marupadiyum. its a average album at best.
  the rest i did mention so i dunno why u worry?
  
  cosmician,
  
  the reason why i hate "poovoma oorvolam" was
  
  1) i guess this is personal! but the tune was very cliched
  
  2) in the orchestration there wasnt a good balance especially the voilins were lound and more jarring than others.
  
  3) i have had enugh of prabhu-kushbu.. dont ask me why? their sight itself just sapped any interest. i didnt like the movie and consequently the songs, not the other way arnd! again this is certainly a personal preference bcoz the movie was surprisingly succesful!
  
  also question is! was this song as popular as muqqala in other languages!?
  
  bye
  bharath
  
  
• From: AG (@ 198.232.250.51) on: Thu Apr 26 15:23:04 EDT 2001
  
  Mr.Bharath,
  
  You made my day !! What you have expressed are axactly my feelings. I don't know how people listen to songs like 'poovoma oorgolam', 'aracha sandhanam', 'nalam vAzha',' Ellorum sollum pattu', 'aasai adhigam vachu' from Chinna Thambi and marupadiyum. May be because of the classics like 'shakalaka baby' (as you mentioned in other thread), Jumbalaka were not there those days. I found you too generous when you say the other mentioned albums are JUST AVERAGE. Don't worry, anyway, that old man is not in the picture anymore to spoil the TFM.
  
  

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