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SAW VIRUMANDI

Topic started by saw virumandi (@ 67.125.27.215) on Thu Jan 15 01:18:52 EST 2004.
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I saw Virumandi by paying extra.
Why KAMAL..? Why u proved all that told by K.Balachander in Virumandi VIZHA.
It is better to have directors like BHARATHAN ( DEVAR MAHAN ) to deliver a good interesting movie.
Virumandi was very raw and not able to sit in the second half.
Dont confuse the audience with ur confused state of mind.
Iam UPSET and my friends ridicule me as a fan of yours.

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• From: Madhan (@ 210.212.160.34) on: Mon Jan 26 07:31:24 EST 2004
  
  SIvaji Ganesan's acting can be likened to IR's music before 1987, esp. before Nayakan - explosive, breathtaking and brilliant, but lacking very much in subtlety
  
  Kamal's acting can be likened to IR's music after "Nayakan" - subtle, mature and mind-blowing thematic scores + bgms
  
  
• From: Thiru (@ 210.214.128.224) on: Mon Jan 26 07:54:12 EST 2004
  
  Sivaji was always overacting, in very few movies he was subtle, example Thevar magan, mudal maryathai.
  A few more.
  Sivaji always could not resist over acting because he came from Dramas where you have to be show off more for the audiences to enjoy.
  he continued the same thing in films, people of that times liked it i dont deny.
  But when you compare, his flaws had to be brought out.
  Sivaji cannot be compared with Kamal though kamal is modest to say it the otherway.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.1.112) on: Mon Jan 26 09:16:21 EST 2004
  
  Jacky,
  
  Pudhiya paravai??????
  
  jus listen to the voice modulation in Sivaji's narration of the murder incident while the movie goes in flashback showing us the murder scenes suppported by sivajis splendid narration with varried emotions. hmmm he is the greatest of all actors in indian cinema, rightly honoured as 'five foot giant' at Cannes festival for 'Veerapandiya Kattabomban'.
  
  though iam a hardcore kamal fan i accept that kamal can never parrallel 'Sivaji Ganeshan' when acting is considered.
  
  BTW,
  
  did anybody had a chance to read 'Ananda Vikatan' Virumaandi vimarsanam.
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  Ilayarajavukku ithu innoru Raajapaatai...kothala devar sollubodhum virumaandi sollumbodhum athey sambavagalukku veveruvagaiana pinnani isai amaithu ondru poi enbathayum mantrondru unmai enbathayum Isai moolamaagavae namakku puriya vaithu vidugiraar.
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  I saw the movie twice, didnt notice this aspect of IR's BGM. did anybody else noticed. i need to watch the movie again....
  
  
• From: Jacky (@ 61.2.224.157) on: Mon Jan 26 10:28:18 EST 2004
  
  Making statements like "He needs to overact to show people that he acts. Subtle and intelligence acting was never in his Lexicon" I felt was ridiculous
  
  Hello CP,
  Enna sleeping ah?
  I never said those words.
  Endire cp endire ;)
  
  Rajasaranam,
  I thought Kamal's voice modulation in Indiran Chandran was also great anyways i am not going to put my points further.
  It's just personal choice and we are bound to be different.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Pilot premnath (@ 67.126.50.216) on: Mon Jan 26 10:57:44 EST 2004
  
  Hell with tamil viewers.
  If u watch one person talent , appreciate it . why u compare with Sivaji.
  True that sivaji is another talented actor and not only one.
  Think of horrible movies like Pilot premnath, thirisoolam acting style.
  Also, those who see Sivaji in Kamal are all with depression. They are not able to digest kamal or dhansh. May be all oldies
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.16) on: Mon Jan 26 11:13:57 EST 2004
  
  Jacky,
  achacho Jacky! I did not mean that you said those words. I was referring to the sentence that pulled me into this arguement. I wouldn't 'directly' call your statement ridiculous while talking to you! ;-)
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.16) on: Mon Jan 26 11:15:15 EST 2004
  
  and yeah...dont ask when I talked to you!...make that 'while replying to you'! :-)
  
  
• From: Kamal, not a block buster hero.. (@ 4.43.119.132) on: Mon Jan 26 12:11:43 EST 2004
  
  Sivaji was commercially successful with his experimental acting. Even thirisoolam was a smashing block buster hit;smashed all collection across all centers. Kamal was never a block buster hit hero, except some films like SKVallavan, and so on. With Nayakan, I belive other movies, especially Manithan was No.1 in collection. Even Thevar Magan collection was not that great. Remember what Producer Dhanu told after Aalavandhan!! There are more producers lost money with Kamal than those made money. I am sure Kamal cannot give a clean entertainment movie.It seems even virumandi has come with a lot of violence.
  How many producers/directors now ready to use him? I believe he has to make his own movie. That is his state. That is the reality.
  People in TN feel even Surya is better than Kamal. Kamal cannot release a movie with out creating hype.
  My point is: He is more a self-promoting hero. So please do not compare him with Sivaji. That is disgusting to the core. Given a chance, VijayKanth can do better than Kamal; Example: Ramana is a clean entertainment movie
  
  
• From: Jacky (@ 61.1.201.106) on: Mon Jan 26 12:16:46 EST 2004
  
  Nallathu CP,
  Since i am from Nallamanayakanur en name pottu - making statements na voda confuse aayuten.
  unga style poriyala appu.
  
  Athan Prathu koduthen! Enga?
  Ungakitta than ;)
  
  
• From: curses (@ 61.1.201.179) on: Mon Jan 26 12:17:24 EST 2004
  
  (@ 4.43.119.132)
  we're talking about acting man.. Where did VijayKanth figure in this?! :)
  
  
• From: JAcky (@ 61.1.201.106) on: Mon Jan 26 12:23:32 EST 2004
  
  acting avaruku entha language la yum pudikatha orey varthai.
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.16) on: Mon Jan 26 12:44:26 EST 2004
  
  Jacky,
  Praadhu kodutheengala? En soththula pangu vaenuma? Neenga enna maamana machchaana, ____-ey! :-)
  
  
• From: * (@ 161.114.64.74) on: Mon Jan 26 12:58:49 EST 2004
  
  4.43.119 seems to be one very very familiar IP :D)
  
  
• From: Sriram (@ 63.195.13.34) on: Mon Jan 26 13:38:43 EST 2004
  
  vikatan.com is just not updating the site anymore. Can anyone post the review and the marks given by vikatan? Curious to know.
  
  
• From: Jacky (@ 61.1.200.198) on: Mon Jan 26 13:59:53 EST 2004
  
  CP sir,
  nan onnum kodakala, ethuku apparam nenga vichu arival oda varuvinga vamba enaku!
  btw, i know man karate ;)
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Mon Jan 26 14:25:00 EST 2004
  
  did anybody see the movie in US esp NJ?
  
  
• From: UnmaiVirumbi (@ 67.85.225.225) on: Mon Jan 26 14:50:05 EST 2004
  
  Yes, it was released in Strand (Plainfield, NJ)this weekend.
  
  
• From: mnt (@ 198.73.152.100) on: Mon Jan 26 14:53:23 EST 2004
  
  Kannan;
  
  >I am pleased that atleast there is another person who tries to understand my point of >view and taking it in the right spirit
  
  In the meantime, you ridicule me as a ‘jolna pai’ because I liked Hey Ram. Even that, after I said that we will not be able to agree, so let’s agree to disagree. This understanding thingy is a two way street buddy.
  
  >Which world are you from. You guys are absolute jokers. Please...stop this >nonsense...
  
  You walked into this thread preaching ‘understanding’ and ‘open mindedness’. Then you say this!
  
  Doesn’t this sound hypercritical to you?
  
  >I am not sure what exposure you guys have to Tamil cinema...but I am still hoping this >forum is one for mature, sensible fans of tamil cinema!!!
  
  You keep saying this as if you are the only one here who has any sort of exposure to Tamil cinema. You’re not only hypocritical, you’re also conceited.
  
  It looks to me like, in your world, the open minded people are the people who accept your point of view as the right one.
  
  I am still irked with your point that a good movie should also have to be a hit. I mean, I don’t like a movie because everyone else seems to like it. But, I am not going to carry this on further, since you don’t seem to be open to discussion about your points.
  
  
  To all others:
  
  Having said all this, I believe Kamal will be the first to accept that Sivaji is much better than what Kamal can ever hope to be.
  
  What Kamal did different was that he realised his talent and started cultivating it with very good roles. For example, like Kannan said here, Kamal was not a natural at comedy in the early days like Rajni or Sivaji. But he worked on it and developed it to give us movies like MMKR, Avvai Shanmugi, and Sathi Leelavathi.
  
  Sivaji, sadly, let others around him use him. May be it was because it came so naturally to him, he did not think it was such a big deal. I sometimes think Raja is comparable to Sivaji in this sense. Kamal should be compared to ARR as someone who is always trying to improve on what they have.
  
  So those who say Sivaji overacts: I don’t think it is fair to pass judgement on his acting 50 years after he played those roles. The trend in those days seemed to favour melodramatic acting style. You can even see this in Hollywood movies of those days. I know youngsters now who say Kamal overacts. I mean these guys are Vijay fans. I can only laugh at them. But they are entitled to their opinion.
  
  In the meantime, I am proud that two of the greatest actors of all time, Sivaji and Kamal, are Tamil. Just like I am proud too of the greatest musicians of India, IR and ARR, are Tamil.
  
  
  
• From: need truth (@ 67.85.225.225) on: Mon Jan 26 14:59:53 EST 2004
  
  Is ARR Tamil guy or mallu? Read in Kumudam about the actor Rehman, (mallu) claiming to be related to ARR.
  
  
• From: Sivaji & overacting (@ 205.242.228.31) on: Mon Jan 26 15:05:05 EST 2004
  
  Sivaji's overacting was partly due to his drama experience and also due to the era when he was acting.
  
  Sivaji needed to overact to be accepted during that era. That is what audience appreciated, and that is he gave them. Audience wanted a lot of dialogues during that era, so films had them. (remember the 60s hindi agitation ?) Ofcourse, there were exceptions where Sivaji was relatively subtle by then standards - Andha Naal, Puthiya Paravai (I still remember the "partha gnabakam illaiyo" whrein Sivaji just expresses his liking/admiration of the song sitting in a table drinking wine). Gemini did not overact, he was of subtle variety - but was not as much accepted as Sivaji (I am not comparing Sivaji v/s Gemini - just giving an example). Those were the times, when overacting was expected; and given. Comparing Sivaji's overacting to today's subtlety won't lead anywhere. It's just plainly wrong.
  
  One thing was never in doubt. That of Sivaji's acting calibre. He was on top of his craft, bar none.
  
  
• From: Kamal / Vijaykanth / Ramana (@ 205.242.228.31) on: Mon Jan 26 15:16:53 EST 2004
  
  Ramana is a "clean entertainment movie". Yes, no doubt. But, what is Vijaykanth's (acting) contribution there ? Tho, people may see Ramana as a Vijaykanth movie , it is actually the Director/Screenplay writer who excelled there! Vijaykanth just happ'd to play the hero's role. It is an irony that I happened to see "Thennavan" later, and what an absurd movie ? wherein Vijaykanth acted - but director bungled and movie went for dogs. Mindyou, it's not that I don't like Vijaykanth (Satriyan comes to my mind imm - where, he played a memorable role); While the above is true for ALL films (i.e. Directors/Screenplaywriter shapes the movie than actors), it is more with actors like Vijaykanth. They can't solely carry the movie on their acting talent alone.
  
  Kamal is different. He can carry the movie on his talent alone. Imagine "Guna" / "Mahanadhi" with Vijaykanth/Surya.. I don't think the movie would have even got noticed. It would hv banished from the theatres as an art movie!
  
  
  

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