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SAW VIRUMANDI

Topic started by saw virumandi (@ 67.125.27.215) on Thu Jan 15 01:18:52 EST 2004.
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I saw Virumandi by paying extra.
Why KAMAL..? Why u proved all that told by K.Balachander in Virumandi VIZHA.
It is better to have directors like BHARATHAN ( DEVAR MAHAN ) to deliver a good interesting movie.
Virumandi was very raw and not able to sit in the second half.
Dont confuse the audience with ur confused state of mind.
Iam UPSET and my friends ridicule me as a fan of yours.

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• From: R.Saravanan (@ 219.65.96.219) on: Sun Jan 25 19:35:53 EST 2004
  
  Now Virumandi Movie and Songs are Number 1 in Box Office Collections and Ratings.
  In Sun TV Top 10 and Jaya TV, Also Reports from Daily Thanthi Paper and Kumudam says Virumandi is the Number 1. These Reports will increase Box Office Collections in the Coming Weeks.
  Songs have been Super Hits.
  Second Place is Vijaykanths Engal Anna. Other three movies Puthukottai, Jai and Kovil are Flops
  
  
• From: ganspb (@ 4.4.2.228) on: Sun Jan 25 19:55:41 EST 2004
  
  Kannan from Sydney,
  
  This one is for you.
  
  I have already mentioned to you that I am not underestimating Sivaji.
  Thanks for aggreeing that he cannot do the role of Salangai Oli.The reason could be genuine,but I am not wrong either.
  
  At the same time I am disagreeing with you saying 'Sivaji cannot do the role of a carnatic music singer as one in Sankarabharanam'He could have excelled in that role in his prime days.
  
  At last even I am fan of Sivaji and I will never underestimate him.But it does not mean that I have to accept whatever you type.I have my own views about Sivaji and Kamal and I was trying to prove a point here and I hope others would be able to understand what I am saying from a neutral point of view.
  
  I am not going to comment about your personal comments about other members in the forum here,because I do not want to degrade you here passing some comments on you personally.
  
  In your opinion comparing Sivaji with Kamal would make Kamal go for a suicide,then in my opinion comparing Kamal with Sathyaraj and Prabhu will make them go for a suicide if they hear it, my dear friend.Just kidding nothing serious here.
  
  Have a good day!!!
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.16) on: Sun Jan 25 22:51:20 EST 2004
  
  ganspb,
  Sivaji does a lot of homework. For the role of Shanmugam in Thillana Mohanambal it seems he went to concerts and observed the body language of the real 'vidhwans'. Given these, Sivaji could have done it in Salangai Oli if it were in the early stages of his career. I mean to say that he takes pains to suit the role. So I wouldn't rule him out of the role. But I do agree that it was more a cakewalk for Kamal given his background. Kamal would have done this with more ease.
  
  Thiru,
  Sivaji's comic sense isn't good? Have you watched Baley Pandiya or Galaatta Kalyanam?
  I do agree that Sivaji overacts at times but a statement like "He needs to overact to show people that he acts. Subtle and intelligence acting was never in his Lexicon." is definitely not acceptable. There are roles which Kamal,if I may say, cannot do!
  And as with Gauravam, you never know how it was in those days. The lawers were all Brahmins mostly (in those days) and probably that is how they were. If you compare a 60s film with 00s trend,it would definitely appear out of place.
  Mridanga Chakravarthy was horrible, I agree. But that doesn't mean he has overacted in all his films.
  
  Kannan,
  I understand. Certain comments made would have got on your nerve if you are too serious about Sivaji. Cool Down! :-)
  
  
• From: E18 U? (@ 210.214.178.105) on: Sun Jan 25 23:22:23 EST 2004
  
  vulgar + glamour + Good Story + Good Screenplay = Virumaandi
  
  
• From: Jacky (@ 61.1.202.199) on: Mon Jan 26 01:35:17 EST 2004
  
  CP,
  Sivaji and Kamal can't be compared in period films cuz Kamal hasn't dont much period films.
  however, I too believe Sivaji overacts in most of his fims, Pudiya paravi climax comes to my thought.
  Exaggerated state of emotions are quite common with Sivaji films may be thats his identity whereas Kamal has more variety.
  Kamal can carry the role of a villian mayor in Indran chandran with so much ease and is more convincing.
  Overall after 200 films i can easily say Kamal is a better and refined form of Sivaji.
  Sivaji must have been Kamal's acting inspiration but kamal sure shows he's more versatile than Sivaji.
  
  
  
• From: Kannan from Sydney (@ 138.130.106.197) on: Mon Jan 26 02:23:05 EST 2004
  
  Jacky...please don't get me into this again...I am really going mad. You call Kamal versatile...and not Sivaji. I showed this comment of your to a few of my mates...and we couldn't stop laughing....they even asked me why I am wasting my time with a bunch of Kamal fans. There is no harm in being a Kamal fan...even I like Kamal...all fans think that their hero is the best actor around...even Ramarajan fans. But..none should dare touch Sivaji....all SENSIBLE fans know and claim that their hero is the second best...which is how it should be!
  
  C~P...you seems to be the only sensible person around. Thanks for your understanding. Yes, I am very serious when it comes to Sivaji....but I am cool with all the rest. What do you expect me to do with comments from the likes of Jacky...probably this guy might have seen a handful of Sivaji films. How would these guys know that he was the first hero in the history of Indian cenima to do a villain or a 'negative' character..that too in those days. These guys wouldn't have seen Rangoon Radha or Andhanaal. And, Sivaji and comedy...he did Bale Bandiya (3 roles) in 12 days as he had to visit US as a state guest.
  
  Jacky...just get real....if not simply get lost!
  Comment about anyone else....but don't even try to degrade Sivaji....you will look silly...and you comments shows the whole world that you know nothing about tamil cinema! Period!
  
  
• From: Jacky (@ 61.2.224.16) on: Mon Jan 26 03:17:39 EST 2004
  
  Mr.SYDNEY,
  A bunch of Sivaji fans like you and your buddies will only laugh as they can't accept reality.
  Sivaji is very good probably Kamal used him as a yardstick and improved a lot.
  I have seen many Sivaji films, He was great in Tailor made roles for him such as Navarathri, Thiruvilayadal and many more.
  Sivaji was the most versatile actor of his times, now coming to Kamal hassan he is more real and convincing, being it playing a lady in avai shanmugi or as a dharavi don in Nayakan.
  Kamal made everyone emote with him during Muram pirai climax, i will for sure say Sivaji would have over cooked it.
  Kamals acting in Mahanadi where his daughter blabbers a verbal abuse is a class, he portrayed a real father there, not an exaggerated father for acting.
  nobody can do this scene with such perfection this includes your Favorite Sivaji ganeshan.
  Acting is not exaggerating its making you feel the actor has lived in the role this is where Kamal is more adaptive than Sivaji.
  I have many instances to show Kamal is cut above Sivaji but the post would go too big and a Sivaji fan like you need not be convinced about Kamals talent.
  I am not degrading Sivaji, when you compare 2 acotrs you're bound to get the ups and downs, if you cant eat it better you get lost.
  
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.16) on: Mon Jan 26 03:36:20 EST 2004
  
  Kannan,
  However ridiculous it may seem to you just take what they say as their opinion man. If that is what suits them, so be it. You have nothing to prove to them. You stick with yours and they stick with theirs. The matter should end there.
  
  Jacky,
  Kamal hasn't done period films alright, but I am sure that no one can be as succesful as Sivaji in this area. It is not a joke to make money with a period film. Sivaji and APN were masters of it and I don't see any successors. If at all Marudanayagam comes out, lets see if that makes me change my opinion.
  Sivaji's strength, other than his acting ofcourse, was his pronounciation. I don't think anybody achieved so much clarity and correctness in pronounciation. That, till date, is unparallaled. I am not saying here that Kamal was bad at it. Just that Sivaji was just better at it. Being Republic Day, I had the pleasure of seeing certain scenes from Veerapaandiya Kattabomman and that makes me say this all the more. I don't think there can be any second opinions about this.
  Another thing which only Sivaji is capable of doing - a proper,lookable,listenable cry! :)
  
  Well, Puthiya Paravai. Any scene you mention I don't see any overacting in it. The last scene was especially wonderful.
  
  Speaking of versatility, Sivaji has done more characters than Kamal. I do agree some are unbearably irritating like Mirudanga Chkaravathy. But that doesn't stop Sivaji from being a legend.
  
  I wouldn't prefer to go any further and take this on the lines of ARR vs IR. Let us recognise the genious in both and stop the fight over who is the best. Each of them is better in their own ways. I am sorry that my post had to start this off! :)
  
  
• From: virumandipuraanam odhuvaar (@ 128.88.255.123) on: Mon Jan 26 05:10:34 EST 2004
  
  No film of recent times has done full justice to Raaja's songs like Virumandi.
  In Pithamagan, while it is his instrumental bgm which highlights the incidents, here in Virumandi, it is his songs which are used effectively in the background. Remember, here the songs are not ornamental like in music videos , for example in insipid films like E18U20 . Virumandi songs have their own character and purpose.
  Sandiyare - is used to depict the bond virumandi develops for KothalaDevar family , ofcourse due to Annalakshmi factor .
  kombula poova - a typical case of romantic interest being kindled thru light provocation
  Madavilakke - how much virumandi's grandmother's loss meant to virumandi, brought out thru a song
  rather than many scenes
  karbagrahatha vittu - what a relief this song provided, from the tedium of the riot scenes!!!
  And the awesome 'onna vida' - can there be a better song for this situation?
  ganspb, yours was a sensible posting.
  
  
• From: curses (@ 219.65.109.89) on: Mon Jan 26 05:17:00 EST 2004
  
  hey! some one's brought us back to the topic! :)
  
  
• From: Jacky (@ 61.1.201.147) on: Mon Jan 26 05:18:46 EST 2004
  
  CP,
  Yes each of them are legend of their own right, infact it was Sivaji's successful experimentation with various roles that inspired Kamal to be where he is today.
  Yes definetly Sivaji has done many roles in period films and his perfomance as APPAR i dont remember the movie is mindblowing.
  But when you do a overall comparison there are going to be some factors which you dont want to hear.
  Everyone has their point of view and we are bound to differ and its not a sin.
  
  Kannan - don't force people to accept everyones favorite actor has got 2 be no 2, that doesnt sound intelligent.
  
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.1.200.200) on: Mon Jan 26 06:32:05 EST 2004
  
  curses,
  en raasi paarthiya, naan serious-a pesina kooda, i dont talk about the topic!!....cha, wat a sad! :-(
  hehe
  
  Jacky,
  I am continuing this or whatever. But as you said Kamal had someone as his idol. Someone whom he could look up to. Somebody whom he would have wished to match up to. But whom do you think Sivaji had? Such an amount of self motivation and dedication needs to be appreciated. Making statements like "He needs to overact to show people that he acts. Subtle and intelligence acting was never in his Lexicon" I felt was ridiculous. Opinions are bound to differ but certain basic things cannot be denied.
  
  As long as the discussion is healthy, without the 'get lost and u suck' of the normal ARR-IR fights, I don't mind listening to the factors which according to you I wouldn't wish to hear! :-)
  
  

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