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Topic started by bb (@ 24.4.254.104) on Tue Feb 20 03:21:22 EST 2001.
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Hi! We've made a major addition to newtfmpage, and that is a big song bank. Dhool features thousands of songs for your listening pleasure. This site is a part of the newtfmpage.com - swara.com group. Together with newtfmpage, we wish to make this the best place to listen to tamil film songs online and know about tamil film music. Our collection includes old, new, famous, rare and unheard of songs. We are still fine tuning and fixing the database errors, so please bear with us. We value your feedback, and this will help us build the site better. Please post your comments below or mail to comments@newtfmpage.com.
This work was done by us (bb and RR) with MS and swara.com ravi.

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• From: vijay (@ 68.16.25.50) on: Fri May 23 13:01:35 EDT 2003
  
  Oh, and add "ezhu swarangalukkul" and "sugamaana raagangale" to the list too. Have yet to listen to any UR songs that come close to the above in terms of complexity.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.87.30.219) on: Fri May 23 13:17:55 EDT 2003
  
  Teacher Amma is good for some of us. At least she opens her mouth and sings. And sings with a note-perfect, language-perfect, WOMAN voice - not lisping, laryngitis ridden squeaky male fantasy voices. I hear Seerghazhi, TMS, Varalakshmi, TLoganathan, LRE, PS are all "professors emeritus" in this teacher amma/ayyah association. If VJs voice shatters the glass around the recording room, even that can only be a class act.
  I can think of other female singers who have moved beyond to the aquariums and showroom displays and have proven their shardmaking skills all over the subcontinent. How our ears and soles bleed!
  
  Some of us owe so much of what and who we are to our teachers. Others might not be quite so fortunate, and that is indeed a tragedy.
  
  Yes, opinions are a dime a dozen in these parts. But god help us if we take them all to be somehow insightful or informed or definitive.
  
  
• From: Jeera (@ 206.175.176.2) on: Fri May 23 14:14:46 EDT 2003
  
  venkat
  
  You are right!. I am always amazed at the amount of fans VJ have in this forum. Her voice sounds really funny to me - don't know how to explain it - but kind of artificial, straining to me.
  
  But I cannot agree with you on UR though, UR voice had 'shakes' when she reached higher notes.
  
  Well, like you said - personal opinions differ.
  
  
• From: venkat (@ 128.100.148.47) on: Fri May 23 14:15:56 EDT 2003
  
  vijay, I was not drawing comparison between the two. I hold VJ better than some other singers (in absolute terms, not in comparison one to one). It is never my intention to equate song of VJ by song. IMHO, UR is one of the under utilized talented singers. The burden of proof otherwise, is on someone who is disparaging her, because almost all her songs were hits to superhits.
  
  Naaz :)) My first line in the above para should answer you. When I was commenting on VJ earlier, I did that because a comparison was drawn on to. And when I wrote those words, I was already wearing my asbestos longjohns ready for flame. If people want my absolute opinion on female singers, I would hold PS above all.
  
  BTW, when we hold raja culpable for reckless choice of singers and made answerable for mano, jency, sps, et al., I shudder to even think the contribution of ARR in this domain :)
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 64.136.26.232) on: Fri May 23 14:34:23 EDT 2003
  
  venkat,
  While we're spreading blame democratically, let's label them:
  MSV--stuck with artists (read TMS) long after he should have
  IR--celebrated dissonance with his choice of singers
  ARR--combined both the above evils and provided full frontal attack on Thamizh
  
  
• From: other_side (@ 209.166.128.18) on: Fri May 23 14:48:12 EDT 2003
  
  I just listened to yesterday's SOTD..(pon ezhil)
  enna pattu yaa... beautiful melody.The way the words glide.Simple and Beautiful words, is it so hard to write such songs now days?.
  
  The great thing about todays song is the inteludes.Other than that the whole song has been sabbotaged by IR.
  
  
• From: sriram (@ 139.95.250.2) on: Fri May 23 15:01:04 EDT 2003
  
  touchy topics, strong opinions & sweeping statements. all signs of the beginnings of an all-out flamewar :)
  just the other day we were lamenting that VJ celebration is restricted to a tiny coterie of 4-5 posters in the VJ thread fondly(?) known as the bhajanamandali. Now, I can't believe that an exactly opposite question has been put forward.
  
  Amazing how PS commands total (TOTAL!!) admiration from everyone & his friend.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 64.136.26.232) on: Fri May 23 15:15:25 EDT 2003
  
  sriram,
  Don't sweat it, just recently Vijay said PS' rendition is ordinary and before that bb and others have gone on record disliking PS. We are equal opportunity bashers here. Only, we're getting a little more animated than usual today, of course it only happens when IR or ARR songs show up. No fights broke out over Shyam's or V.Kumar's songs.
  
  
• From: venkat (@ 128.100.148.47) on: Fri May 23 15:28:22 EDT 2003
  
  Udhaya, reg. your posting on poojaikkaaka. SPB bolting away for tough pronunciation in tamil is news to me and BR being a perfectionist more than a news. The version I knew was this;
  
  It was originally spb all the way. But, somewhere during the recordings things went wrong between BR and SPB and DC was hired to finish the only remaining song. Tempers were so ill, that BR later lobbied and got the best singer award for DC, just to prove a point to SPB (you would notice a reduced spb usage in later BR movies). BR proved the point, DC had the laugh. But it was spb who laughed last and as the cliche goes, looooonger!
  
  SPB is known to love challenges and go all for them. And his tamil is way above anyone on his day.
  
  Perfectionist BR seems oxymoron - he took money from Paandiyan to cast him. Recall such movies as kodi parakkuthu, Tajmahel, as counterpoints.
  
  BTW, Udhaya, you are being kind to ARR.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.16.25.50) on: Fri May 23 16:07:55 EDT 2003
  
  "The burden of proof otherwise, is on someone who is disparaging her, because almost all her songs were hits to superhits.
  "
  
  Venkat, once again, hits or superhits is not exactly an yardstick for measuring a singer's contribution. Even "Raaja raajaadhi" from Agni Natchathiram was a super duper hit. Is it because IR had rendered that song masterfully? Not that VJ didnt give commercial hits, I could cite many examples right off the top of my head, but the point is UR, much like Jency, was the recipent of mostly good tunes . And while the latter probably eroded some value off those songs with her nasal rendition, the former didnt add any.
  
  "IMHO, UR is one of the under utilized talented singers"
  
  It could be she was underutilized a bit considering the fact that Bhavatharini even got to sing in the first place. But VJ and Jayachandran were easily the most underutilized considering their talent. Most of those Mano/ Arunmozhi numbers could have gone to Jayachandran if SPB/KJY didnt have the time to do it.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 64.136.26.232) on: Fri May 23 16:23:37 EDT 2003
  
  venkat,
  I don't want to discuss BR's professionalism. I heard it from someone in the business, so I will rely on my sources. If you focus on the lesser works of anyone, then we can tear anybody down. I wouldn't want to be judged on my worst day as a professional at my job either. So, anyway, you don't care for DC or BR, no problem with me, I'm neither an agent or PR for these people. Now, let's get back to the SOTD rather than the personality debate. I thought of offering something in way of trivial interest, but don't want to derail the discussion further.
  
  
• From: raj (@ 12.30.122.10) on: Fri May 23 16:26:55 EDT 2003
  
  For many tamil killers Mano is far better he did justice to whatever song is given to him
  
  
• From: Mythila (@ 137.237.13.20) on: Fri May 23 16:38:20 EDT 2003
  
  IR's vocal chords seem cause lesser pain these days than those EVK days(Iam referring to 'Unnai thedi vennila' song from EnManaVaanil. IMO he has sung this one EVEN better than HariHaran)
  
  
• From: other_side (@ 209.166.128.18) on: Fri May 23 17:05:52 EDT 2003
  
  yeah that's right.he did sing better than hariharan in Enmanavaanil
  
  
• From: R (@ 128.119.241.196) on: Sat May 24 00:28:52 EDT 2003
  
  Udhaya/venkat: The story I heard abt poojaikkaaga is a lot less interesting. :). DC sang track for SPB.. he did such a good job of it, that BR and IR decided to keep it.
  
  
• From: av (@ 132.206.72.151) on: Sat May 24 12:08:00 EDT 2003
  
  Udhaya:
  
  Sorry to interrupt this discussion. You said this:
  "bb and others have gone on record disliking PS". I am really surprised. Is there ANYTHING in PS's voice to be really disliked? Could those points be elaborated? I am not talking about her post 1980 or 1985 voice at all. But there is nothing that I find short of brilliant in PS's golden oldies from the 50s, 60s and even 70s.
  (PS of 50s decade is something that is standout amongst standouts. )
  
  
• From: Prabhu (@ 203.199.143.149) on: Sat May 24 13:26:49 EDT 2003
  
  While its impossible to select THE singer from the many wonderful female singers in tfm, a point you cant help noticing .. Chitra and PS were 2 singers for whom 'nasal' and 'screechy' could never be applied(and they're my least preferred anyway :))
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 64.136.26.232) on: Sat May 24 14:53:10 EDT 2003
  
  av,
  You're querying the wrong guy. I think PS is flawless in any song. That's my personal opinion. But bb, Vijay and others have different opinions. I'll let one of them answer your query.
  
  But it will all come down to personal preference. What sounds consistant to you can sound monotonous to others. What sounds like perfection every time to you, might sound like lack of variation to others.
  
  Everything depends on what one looks for in a singer. I usually care that the singer renders the song clearly and maintaining diction integrity, with a bass/ treble balance, no trembling at different notes, etc. Brigas, sangathis are secondary to the above concerns for me. Because language and sandham mean more to me in a song than a singer's mannerisms.
  
  Given my criteria: SJ, HH, Mano, and most Northies fail most of the time. Whereas many musicians in DF tend to favor technical prowess over the voice quality itself. To them VJ or Jeyachandran are not that big a deal because they follow the sandham and deliver the song by the book without bringing their own sangathis and improv abilities ala HH or SPB.
  
  As long as you know where you stand and why, there should be no angst over what others like or hate. Okay, that's enough from me for one day.
  
  
• From: purv (@ 205.231.31.89) on: Sat May 24 18:36:43 EDT 2003
  
  Hi. I would have liked to add my input on the SOTD, but due to certain constraints, I cannot listen to the song. :-)
  
  BTW, Mr. Udhaya, am I forgiven yet? :-)
  
  

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